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If anything, that post dealt with -economics- and not politics. Can we not add some feature that prevents posters from posting in certain threads if they deviate from the topic at hand???

How often does someone post on particular subject, only to take the whole thread down a new road.

That on Jvesti posted on "men having a choice" spun off 2 or more additional threads on men, their rights, women, their feelings, and something about a new girl who joined the site and wanted some exposure. What gives.

I ask because I was going to reply. I do understand political flaming gets out of hand...where's free speech?

It's a plain, little known fact that the printing of money, inflation, indebtedness and basic system is floundering. Nobody knows it because economics tries to teach the average college graduate that it's a simple balancing of wants vs. needs. That's such bullsh!t nobody realizes. Economics does not account for emotion, first mistake.

Economics aside, the ability to limitlessly print money was devised so we could go to war without disrupting the budget. When we were on a gold standard, even Alan Greenspan remarked on how foolish and dumb and idea of a limitless money supply would be.

In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. - Alan Greenspan
FROM THE US TREASURY WEBSITE: "Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity, and receive no backing by anything. The notes have no value for themselves, but for what they will buy.
EXCERPT FROM THE US CONSTITUTION, Article I, section 10: No State shall ... coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts....
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Too few people are uninformed, and generally, when a post, or even a public article raises people's 'hot button', it must be silenced, for the public cannot be out of order!! From disorder, will order be created. If such info is squashed, and basic schools do not spread it, how can anyone else know and change??

But with unlimited dollar conversion into gold, the ability to issue dollar claims would be severely limited. Obviously if you cannot finance federal deficits, you cannot create them. Either taxes would then have to be raised or expenditures lowered.
Without paper money, NONE of the financing for wars would be possible. NONE of the money to be thrown into spending for which few tax payers sign off on or know of could be had. This isn't political-specific. But money is politics. You can't dodge the issue. We're not talking parties that do this, because all parties use the collective credit card to finance their own agenda.

Any country that abandons its hard precious metal standards (gold and silver) as the United States did in 1934 and 1973, respectively, and operates on funny money cannot sustain either a free economy or a free country.
And if it is true that in 1967, then-president Lyndon B. Johnson emptied Fort Knox of our gold reserves, then all that needs to happen is for the European Union and its bankers to return to a gold standard and America will be left with a mint full of funny money equal to conch shells on the world trade market.
Even when the sneaky bill that created the Fed and eradicated the gold standard snuck through, President Lyndon Johnson realized the error of his ways remarking he "had ruined his country."

It's the fact that people don't know this, don't claim to know it, ignore it, or it doesn't get put in the public's face that we continue to spead the rumors and lies.



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Honestly, I'm at loss with the mods sometime.
 

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agreed.

I don't really think anybody can say that they disagree with what Backbreaker was saying. How certain mods expected a flame war to break out is beyond me.
 

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Originally posted by A-Unit
If anything, that post dealt with -economics- and not politics. Can we not add some feature that prevents posters from posting in certain threads if they deviate from the topic at hand???

How often does someone post on particular subject, only to take the whole thread down a new road.

That on Jvesti posted on "men having a choice" spun off 2 or more additional threads on men, their rights, women, their feelings, and something about a new girl who joined the site and wanted some exposure. What gives.

I ask because I was going to reply. I do understand political flaming gets out of hand...where's free speech?

It's a plain, little known fact that the printing of money, inflation, indebtedness and basic system is floundering. Nobody knows it because economics tries to teach the average college graduate that it's a simple balancing of wants vs. needs. That's such bullsh!t nobody realizes. Economics does not account for emotion, first mistake.

Economics aside, the ability to limitlessly print money was devised so we could go to war without disrupting the budget. When we were on a gold standard, even Alan Greenspan remarked on how foolish and dumb and idea of a limitless money supply would be.







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Too few people are uninformed, and generally, when a post, or even a public article raises people's 'hot button', it must be silenced, for the public cannot be out of order!! From disorder, will order be created. If such info is squashed, and basic schools do not spread it, how can anyone else know and change??



Without paper money, NONE of the financing for wars would be possible. NONE of the money to be thrown into spending for which few tax payers sign off on or know of could be had. This isn't political-specific. But money is politics. You can't dodge the issue. We're not talking parties that do this, because all parties use the collective credit card to finance their own agenda.





Even when the sneaky bill that created the Fed and eradicated the gold standard snuck through, President Lyndon Johnson realized the error of his ways remarking he "had ruined his country."

It's the fact that people don't know this, don't claim to know it, ignore it, or it doesn't get put in the public's face that we continue to spead the rumors and lies.



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Here is a real phone call that was recorded on a guy calling the San Fran Fed Reserve

http://www.rense.com/general29/ringring.htm

This really, really is an important issue, by far the most important issue that we pay no attention to, because it's TREASON to give govermental powers to other countries, as which was done with the Fed Reserve Act of 1913.

As it stands now, we gift wrapped our downfall in a bowtie and gave it to the world. Something has to be done. Now.

Unlike 100-200 years ago, all starting with I bleieve Wodrow Wilson, ,the dumbass who put this in place in the first place, politicans cared more about getting elected, no matter the cost, more than the best interest of the country.
 

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The phone call was kind of disturbing, but is it realistic to actually pull our money from the banks, wouldn't that accelerate the problem? If banks don't have the money required to lend, then they would be forced to foreclose on alot of their obligations, I mean, in a sense we need banks because alot of careers and jobs just don't provide the necessary income to purchase and sustain a home and family, so we are forced in a sense to borrow the money, and pay interest on it, so we do need banks, but not these corporations who are going to bankrupt this country, my guess is we are going to start to see an influx of private lenders (individuals) who will re-circulate the money through their own purchasing, that really is the solution to the problem.
 

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I think a lot of people get scared and look the other way because they plain as day don't know what to do about it. They don't even know where to start as to coming up with a solution.

When fiat money causes this nation to fall, the rich will once again be those who own the most silver and gold.
 

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Money is valuable because people put value in it, not because we all believe we can go redeem it for bits of gold. You're absolutely right that people are blinded and just buy into this system without thinking of the consequences, but I have to ask: so what? As long as they do, we're (pardon the pun) golden.

Maybe I misunderstood the point of the post, but I think the institution of money itself is pretty safe. After all, gold and silver are coveted in the exact same way as $100 bills.
 

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The point is, the US national debt is equal to ~25,000 dollars per person, and the government cannot sustain itself with that kind of debt, unless they buy back the FED. And do the banks who own the FED have any reason to sell it back to the US government, even for above market price?
 

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we are the most powerful country. we'll just keep getting money from places like saudi arabia.
 

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You ask why we closed it and already you're talking about the government and how it's better/worse/a monkey then other countries.

Frankly if you want to talk about these things there are plenty of other political, economonical, religious discussion waste of time forums on the internet for you to masterbate your ability to do research to try and impress people on the internet to. This is not one of them.
 

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Frankly if you want to talk about these things there are plenty of other political, economonical, religious discussion waste of time forums on the internet for you to masterbate your ability to do research to try and impress people on the internet to. This is not one of them.
Well, my gut sense that a 'lock' isn't coming, and much of that tirade was evidently direct at me, and anybody who posted something semi-credible.

Politics or not, the 'anything else' forum highlights anything else, much like 'miscellaneous' would.

The point of re-opening the thread wasn't to direct anger or ire at any mod's, but to keep a cogent economics (yes political) topic going. There's no bashing of specific parties, because this isn't party specific.

Whether we are from the US or Europe or South America, the viability of ALL countries is important.

Why?

Well, for starters democracy seems to be the model of choice for those countries not already on a democratic system, so this gives them a glimpse of what's to come.

Then, the Europe has been condensed to the Euro, with China coming online, how long before all countries dwindle down to simplicity?

The currency market is the largest trading market in the world, and only sure enough to get bigger because of other countries catching up. Such things have an economic impact on the world.

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Will people chime into offer glib comments sure to lock ANY forum, sure. Just check out ANY forum a woman creates. I'm surprised to some extent any of Wyldfires didn't get closed, not because she's a woman, but because of the randomness that went on and the complete lack of control shown. But then again, THIS is a PUA website and we MUST stay on the PUA bandwagon, otherwise any topic that diverts from THAT theme is lockable at the discretion of the mod's.



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What to do about the Debt to the Fed Reserve?

Well, that's actually pretty easy.

By Defination, the Federal Reserve is unconstituational, because it gives govermental powers to other countries and private corporations outside and inside the US.

We can declare it's unconstituation and not pay it.

(BTW, if you ever get stiffed for tax fraud, this is not only a valid defense... that paying taxes that go straight to the Fed Reserve is unconsitutational, it's about a coins's flip chance that you can actually win, depending on the jury)

However, of course that would have it's problems... more than likely no one could trust us.

Also, we could buy the Federal Reserve... theres a clause in the Fed Reserve Act that says we can buy it back at any time for 450Mil.

We buy back the Fed Reserve, elimnate the Interest, which is what is really killing us, and in due time the debt is taken out.
 

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Like I said in another thread, we went off the gold standard, and then the silver standard, and now we are on the bullshyt standard. It's only a matter of time before the whole thing falls apart.

What is more disturbing is that FDR confiscated gold by Executive Order 6102. After the gold was confiscated, the value of gold was fixed at a price higher (roughly $10 an ounce higher) than what it was confiscated in exchange for. Someone made a fortune this way overnight, and at the expense of the American people. I never did trust Roosevelt.
 

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Becuse there is no gold or silver standard, technically you can just print a bunch of money and give it to everyone, a nd everyone could be rich :rolleyes: , which would devalue currency all together.

This bill (Fed Reserve Act) was pushed though by Rockefeller's Paternal Grandad in the winter of 1913, while congress was on winter vacation.

He, and others, believed in a one world goverment, which is what this was aimed at moving towards.

Wodrow Wilson, who was bought off by the banks that own the Fed Reserve, pushed it though soon afterwards.
 

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Originally posted by backbreaker

Also, we could buy the Federal Reserve... theres a clause in the Fed Reserve Act that says we can buy it back at any time for 450Mil.

We buy back the Fed Reserve, elimnate the Interest, which is what is really killing us, and in due time the debt is taken out.
Hmm, so if the 450 million was put up, they would HAVE to sell it back?
 

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Originally posted by Vincent
You ask why we closed it and already you're talking about the government and how it's better/worse/a monkey then other countries.

Frankly if you want to talk about these things there are plenty of other political, economonical, religious discussion waste of time forums on the internet for you to masterbate your ability to do research to try and impress people on the internet to. This is not one of them.
Um, excuse me, but someone who can't even spell "masturbate" correctly has no place lecturing us on talking about economics. And in case you forgot, financial and economic discussion are not banned.
 

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