Why the Red Pill/Manosphere/Game community suddenly wants all men to get married and have kids.

[Jesse Pinkman]

When I used to follow Manosphere content over a decade ago, the vibe was different. The idea was that as a man, you should be weary of marriage as marrying the wrong woman can damage your life. There was not a lot of judgment towards men who "spin plates" or run a rotation of women rather than committing to the marriage and family life. Then, over time, I want to say a few years ago, this all changed. The entire space of Red Pill, Manosphere, and even Game got flooded with dudes shaming guys for not getting married and having kids.

So where did these religious lunatics come from and how did the space change in such a short span of time?

It was somewhat inevitable as soon as politics got involved.

Most men in the Manosphere lean right. The Right Wing was the anti-thesis to the Left Wing which brought us radical feminists and man-hating politics. However, men committed to the right wing without knowing its pitfalls. Anyone who grew up in a religious area or around a lot of religious people knows that while some are honest and good people, a good number are also scheming sociopaths that mask their intentions behind religion.

As soon as leaders in the Manosphere started to get religious, it was inevitable. Politics and religion would officially enter the world of game and the Red Pill would change as we know. The Red Pill was initially meant to be the hard truth of the world rather than a comfortable lie in the Blue Pill, at some point, it also turned into a "sexual strategy" community to help men get laid.

But if you know religious people, they have an issue with that.

"No sex before marriage"

Says the Bible.

The other thing is that religious dudes or dudes super into politics have awful game. A lot of them are judgmental and hate the fact that women are sleeping around. The issue here is that if women were all virgins who saved themselves for marriage, no one would have premarital sex. This means that the player lifestyle that the game community and red pill were teaching men about would cease to exist.

But these dudes cannot accept their own flaws, so they mask it behind politics and this fake sense of care for society.

Instead of owning up to the fact that their game is wack and women do not find them attractive, these dudes look for things to blame. Their egos are too delicate to accept that they need to work on themselves. So what did they do?

They started talking about how "bachelors are leading to societal collapse" and throwing statistics to make their point.

If only men and women would stop having casual sex, we could get back to the good ole days. If only men and women would stop sleep around with each other, the world would be perfect.

In a way, this shift into being the righteous savior of society by stopping people from casually hooking up with each other gave incels an inflated ego and this false hero complex. They could forever escape accountability.

In a way, it was to also compensate for a competitive dating market.

Most men are not getting laid. Women have higher standards now in men than they used to. A religious and "moral" society ensures that through marriage, a guy can at least get some. However, when that is gone, you have an army of frustrated men who just want things to go back to normal. They want the old days where a dude could at least get a marriage with a washed up chick.

But it is not happening, so what's the future? Where does it all lead?

Society is not going back to "normal" days where slutty behavior in men and women could be punished. If anything, more and more areas of the world will get less "traditional". So where does this all lead? What's the solution?

In my opinion, I think the best solution is technology. Sex robots and a world like Ready Player One where Incel men who cannot get girls can just go away in their own world.

It is the most realistic solution compared to going back to the Scarlett Letter days that the religious nutcases of the Red Pill dream of.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Didn’t you once say “your enemy is your fellow man”? Considering that, why should we, your enemies, listen to you?

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Didn’t you once say “your enemy is your fellow man”? Considering that, why should we, your enemies, listen to you?

He's talking about the other fellow men, not his fellows.

 

[Manure Spherian]

They want the old days where a dude could at least get a marriage with a washed up chick.

Considering women married as teenagers in the old days, I doubt many were washed up.
The likelihood of getting an unwashed women over 20 years old these days is very high.

 

[Solomon]

Which Redpill content creators are promoting marriage in earnest? most just use that trope to shame women or use it as a talking point when it suits them during one of those pseudo repdill podcast debates the ones I see talk out of both sides out of their mouths for example

"Modern Women aren't marriage material, women are 304s, pump and dump, recreational use only!, don't ever live with a woman and cohabitate, never get married!" then they say "Women need to get married and this how they become wives, high-value men don't cheat they exercise their options(Tell that delusional shyt to the courts when you try to get a divorce, the judge will laugh in your face!)" so wait you telling men not to get married but then on the other side of your mouth you trying to give advice on how women can be marriage material. Now some might say it's not hypocritical but if you're telling these women to become marriage material who will marry them? these mythical high-value men red pillers that don't exist? yeah aight

Unpopular Opinion​

You can't complain about the state of modern women and 304s being hoes but yet you're sleeping and dating the same 304s you complaining about and not wifing them, IMO it makes you a hypocrite pick a side are you going to be a degenerate or are you going to promote healthy traditional relationships i.e. marriage?

I have seen @AmsterdamAssassin post for a bit now and I have never seen this man complain about modern women, you can tell this guy is just living his life and by some of his pictures he's banging some hot chicks.

It irks me when Red Pillers like to quote Proverbs 30 or the bible, yet they never read the bible in full (or even Proverbs to say the least) They just like to talk about morals, marriage and traditional relationships when it suits them. Most Redpillers are still talking about getting laid in 2024 (BORING). Getting laid has never been easier than it has than today, when I see RPers talk about healthy respectful relationships and marraiges than maybe I might listen but most of the stuff these dorks talk about in 2024 is for chumps

 

[Divorced w 3]

Because their viewership all grew up. Not rocket science.

 

[SW15]

When I used to follow Manosphere content over a decade ago, the vibe was different. The idea was that as a man, you should be weary of marriage as marrying the wrong woman can damage your life. There was not a lot of judgment towards men who "spin plates" or run a rotation of women rather than committing to the marriage and family life. Then, over time, I want to say a few years ago, this all changed. The entire space of Red Pill, Manosphere, and even Game got flooded with dudes shaming guys for not getting married and having kids.

I've not noticed that about the direction of the red pill/Manosphere space. I'm not sure who you're reading/watching in the so-called red pill space.

Most men in the Manosphere lean right. The Right Wing was the anti-thesis to the Left Wing which brought us radical feminists and man-hating politics. However, men committed to the right wing without knowing its pitfalls.

If you are a man who has a more conservative worldview and you are into attraction and seduction, you're likely a more secular conservative, especially if you aren't attending church regularly.

A secular conservative worldview would not interfere with a seduction oriented lifestyle. However, the more religious worldviews would interfere. I'll get into that in the next quote.

But if you know religious people, they have an issue with that.

"No sex before marriage"

Says the Bible.

The other thing is that religious dudes or dudes super into politics have awful game. A lot of them are judgmental and hate the fact that women are sleeping around.

It is very difficult to do "no sex before marriage", especially if you are doing a no porn and no masturbation lifestyle. I recommend no porn and no masturbation but doing no porn, no masturbation, and no sex before marriage is going to be quite challenging.

In the more religious communities, people tend to get married at 18-22 because they want to start having sex. Men 18-22 have a high sex drive. A lot of those ultra religious males and females pair off early, often at institutions like Brigham Young University or Baylor University. These are people who are engaged or marry by graduation (Ring by Spring) and start having kids by 25-27. The guys in these couples aren't the types of guys who ever make it to SoSuave or similar forums.

I agree that religious dudes and dudes super into politics have awful game. There are a lot of reasons for that and as this thread progresses, I think we can get into that. I don't want to make this post too long.

Enough women will be having pre-marital sex. Women who are having pre-marital sex are often chasing the top tier guys and riding the penis carousel.

In a way, it was to also compensate for a competitive dating market.

Most men are not getting laid. Women have higher standards now in men than they used to. A religious and "moral" society ensures that through marriage, a guy can at least get some. However, when that is gone, you have an army of frustrated men who just want things to go back to normal. They want the old days where a dude could at least get a marriage with a washed up chick.

Most men are not getting laid in the current sexual marketplace. In the post Industrial Revolution and pre-Sexual Revolution era (1810s-early 1960s), there were more people waiting until marriage to have sex. There was more voluntarily celibacy (partly due to religious practice) in that era.

After the Sexual Revolution, there was a short period (1960s - 1990s) where more men were getting laid due to a relaxation of sexual morality. As the 1990s shifted the 2000s, hypergamy became more pronounced and women raised their standards for sex as they got more abundance. While there was hypergamy in the 1960s-1990s in the initial years after the Sexual Revolution, the hypergamy and the female entitlement due to abundance got worse after circa 2000.

In cultures that enforce monogamy through a larger percentage of the population practicing some sort of Christian religion, there are more men getting some access to sex. A lot of men from the 1810s-early 1960s got sex simply because of enforced monogamy through religion and a lack of female economic empowerment. When women lacked employment options and the broader culture enforced monogamy through religion/marriage, women were more willing to settle for some "lesser" men and give him sex. In a sexual marketplace where there's no religious pressure towards monogamy and the majority of women are raised to pursue employment that can sustain a decent lifestyle, sex becomes more recreational than dutiful for them. They have their economic needs met due to their bachelor's/advanced degrees and culturally enforced favorable hiring practices. They don't need men for money. They want men for enjoyment. Men for enjoyment means chasing the top tier men and riding the penis carousel. A lot of "lesser" men get left out in this.

 

[corrector]

People don't want to see their Western societies ending up like Japan and experiencing Population Collapse because the current sexual market paradigm is really a trajedy of the commons (ie less net children born into society). People who care about society understand that the bedrock of society comes from the nuclear families that have at least two or more children per family unit.

It's really sad if you look at how they have to bring in immigrants / migrants from other countries to keep the countries operational because they already can not support themselves right now. The impact of the "trajedy of the commons" is already here. So I can understand how Red Pill/Manosphere may be taking in this new approach. Obviously if a system only benefits 5-10% of guys, there are going to be 90% guys who are just left out. Mathematically it's not possible to tell everyone to strive to be that 10% because guess what, the numbers seem to be getting more SKEWED then it was before with all of the past self-improvement manosphere advice....so perhaps something isn't working.

Anyway, I guess we are all doomed to experience, like Japan, a population collapse and eventual collapse of the social security and economy since you can't replace the population. Sometimes, the religious institutions has the right formula just to keep things working and thriving. You start changing things up and then it just goes downhill until its past a point of no return to an eventual collapse.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Regarding demographics, it's already over for the more developed countries. Lesser developed countries like Mexico are in the same cycle, just about 20 years behind. And then the least developed countries are another 20 years behind that. When a nation industrializes and moves away from agriculture, children are a luxury and not a necessity. The only people I see having a lot of kids are the Amish, because they work the little bastards and make money off of them.

And yeah, nobody likes immigrants. But there aren't enough young people to work all the sh1tty jobs. That's the real reason behind it. In the US right now, illegal immigration is almost certainly the mystery force that has kept us out of an economic recession.

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

When I used to follow Manosphere content over a decade ago, the vibe was different. The idea was that as a man, you should be weary of marriage as marrying the wrong woman can damage your life. There was not a lot of judgment towards men who "spin plates" or run a rotation of women rather than committing to the marriage and family life. Then, over time, I want to say a few years ago, this all changed. The entire space of Red Pill, Manosphere, and even Game got flooded with dudes shaming guys for not getting married and having kids.

So where did these religious lunatics come from and how did the space change in such a short span of time?

It was somewhat inevitable as soon as politics got involved.

Most men in the Manosphere lean right. The Right Wing was the anti-thesis to the Left Wing which brought us radical feminists and man-hating politics. However, men committed to the right wing without knowing its pitfalls. Anyone who grew up in a religious area or around a lot of religious people knows that while some are honest and good people, a good number are also scheming sociopaths that mask their intentions behind religion.

As soon as leaders in the Manosphere started to get religious, it was inevitable. Politics and religion would officially enter the world of game and the Red Pill would change as we know. The Red Pill was initially meant to be the hard truth of the world rather than a comfortable lie in the Blue Pill, at some point, it also turned into a "sexual strategy" community to help men get laid.

But if you know religious people, they have an issue with that.

"No sex before marriage"

Says the Bible.

The other thing is that religious dudes or dudes super into politics have awful game. A lot of them are judgmental and hate the fact that women are sleeping around. The issue here is that if women were all virgins who saved themselves for marriage, no one would have premarital sex. This means that the player lifestyle that the game community and red pill were teaching men about would cease to exist.

But these dudes cannot accept their own flaws, so they mask it behind politics and this fake sense of care for society.

Instead of owning up to the fact that their game is wack and women do not find them attractive, these dudes look for things to blame. Their egos are too delicate to accept that they need to work on themselves. So what did they do?

They started talking about how "bachelors are leading to societal collapse" and throwing statistics to make their point.

If only men and women would stop having casual sex, we could get back to the good ole days. If only men and women would stop sleep around with each other, the world would be perfect.

In a way, this shift into being the righteous savior of society by stopping people from casually hooking up with each other gave incels an inflated ego and this false hero complex. They could forever escape accountability.

In a way, it was to also compensate for a competitive dating market.

Most men are not getting laid. Women have higher standards now in men than they used to. A religious and "moral" society ensures that through marriage, a guy can at least get some. However, when that is gone, you have an army of frustrated men who just want things to go back to normal. They want the old days where a dude could at least get a marriage with a washed up chick.

But it is not happening, so what's the future? Where does it all lead?

Society is not going back to "normal" days where slutty behavior in men and women could be punished. If anything, more and more areas of the world will get less "traditional". So where does this all lead? What's the solution?

In my opinion, I think the best solution is technology. Sex robots and a world like Ready Player One where Incel men who cannot get girls can just go away in their own world.

It is the most realistic solution compared to going back to the Scarlett Letter days that the religious nutcases of the Red Pill dream of.

Because that's why we exist.

Everything outside of procreation will lead to apathy...

a bunch of people finding weird hobbies or unusual sexual interests, just to make it through the day

Everyone needs an escape from the cruelness of the world; it used to be offspring, now it's nothingness online

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

And the reason all the game guys changed their opinion is because they grew up

They grew out of that phase

We all do

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

Regarding demographics, it's already over for the more developed countries. Lesser developed countries like Mexico are in the same cycle, just about 20 years behind. And then the least developed countries are another 20 years behind that. When a nation industrializes and moves away from agriculture, children are a luxury and not a necessity. The only people I see having a lot of kids are the Amish, because they work the little bastards and make money off of them.

And yeah, nobody likes immigrants. But there aren't enough young people to work all the sh1tty jobs. That's the real reason behind it. In the US right now, illegal immigration is almost certainly the mystery force that has kept us out of an economic recession.

I have to call bullsh1t.

Illegal immigrants don't pay taxes, nor do they put much money into the economy.

I don't know how many you've been around, but they're extremely frugal (12 of them in a house made for 3) and send the majority of their money back to their home country.

The reason we aren't in a recession is because the gods of finance are doing everything they can to avoid the inevitable. I imagine it will start setting in after the election

 

[Hoodie]

When I used to follow Manosphere content over a decade ago, the vibe was different. The idea was that as a man, you should be weary of marriage as marrying the wrong woman can damage your life. There was not a lot of judgment towards men who "spin plates" or run a rotation of women rather than committing to the marriage and family life. Then, over time, I want to say a few years ago, this all changed. The entire space of Red Pill, Manosphere, and even Game got flooded with dudes shaming guys for not getting married and having kids.

So where did these religious lunatics come from and how did the space change in such a short span of time?

It was somewhat inevitable as soon as politics got involved.

Most men in the Manosphere lean right. The Right Wing was the anti-thesis to the Left Wing which brought us radical feminists and man-hating politics. However, men committed to the right wing without knowing its pitfalls. Anyone who grew up in a religious area or around a lot of religious people knows that while some are honest and good people, a good number are also scheming sociopaths that mask their intentions behind religion.

As soon as leaders in the Manosphere started to get religious, it was inevitable. Politics and religion would officially enter the world of game and the Red Pill would change as we know. The Red Pill was initially meant to be the hard truth of the world rather than a comfortable lie in the Blue Pill, at some point, it also turned into a "sexual strategy" community to help men get laid.

But if you know religious people, they have an issue with that.

"No sex before marriage"

Says the Bible.

The other thing is that religious dudes or dudes super into politics have awful game. A lot of them are judgmental and hate the fact that women are sleeping around. The issue here is that if women were all virgins who saved themselves for marriage, no one would have premarital sex. This means that the player lifestyle that the game community and red pill were teaching men about would cease to exist.

But these dudes cannot accept their own flaws, so they mask it behind politics and this fake sense of care for society.

Instead of owning up to the fact that their game is wack and women do not find them attractive, these dudes look for things to blame. Their egos are too delicate to accept that they need to work on themselves. So what did they do?

They started talking about how "bachelors are leading to societal collapse" and throwing statistics to make their point.

If only men and women would stop having casual sex, we could get back to the good ole days. If only men and women would stop sleep around with each other, the world would be perfect.

In a way, this shift into being the righteous savior of society by stopping people from casually hooking up with each other gave incels an inflated ego and this false hero complex. They could forever escape accountability.

In a way, it was to also compensate for a competitive dating market.

Most men are not getting laid. Women have higher standards now in men than they used to. A religious and "moral" society ensures that through marriage, a guy can at least get some. However, when that is gone, you have an army of frustrated men who just want things to go back to normal. They want the old days where a dude could at least get a marriage with a washed up chick.

But it is not happening, so what's the future? Where does it all lead?

Society is not going back to "normal" days where slutty behavior in men and women could be punished. If anything, more and more areas of the world will get less "traditional". So where does this all lead? What's the solution?

In my opinion, I think the best solution is technology. Sex robots and a world like Ready Player One where Incel men who cannot get girls can just go away in their own world.

It is the most realistic solution compared to going back to the Scarlett Letter days that the religious nutcases of the Red Pill dream of.

Why can't game, marriage and having children merge?

Get rich so you can support having children with many wives / girlfriends.

Having many wives / girlfriends is good for game.

Treat them all the same and let them know before you get into a relationship with them you have other girlfriends, so you're truthful.

Let them take care of the childrearing while you focus on your business to keep getting money in.

Win.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I have seen @AmsterdamAssassin post for a bit now and I have never seen this man complain about modern women, you can tell this guy is just living his life and by some of his pictures he's banging some hot chicks.

That's because I'm not here for the reasons 99% of the members are here. I never struggled interacting with women, so why would I have complaints? I tested out different relationships, but I found being kinky and ENM feel best for me, and a lot of women are into both, so I'm doing even better than I was forty years ago. Adapt and thrive.

 

[Solomon]

And the reason all the game guys changed their opinion is because they grew up

They grew out of that phase

We all do

I think that's hard to understand, when I was in my 20s I was all about smashing and approaching hitting the "Field" etc
I started on this site when I was 24, broke, and was looking for purpose thinking putting my johnson in beautiful women would make me happy

I'm 40 now and my thought process compared to 24 has changed, some for the better and some for the worse, but my purpose now is to walk in lockstep with the plans my creator has for me. We all here are unique once men realize we have a greater purpose than putting a johnson in women that's when greatness begins!

 

[SW15]

And the reason all the game guys changed their opinion is because they grew up

They grew out of that phase

We all do

This article from 2015 has a good point about possibly growing out of that phase, particularly Option 3 as I'll discuss below.

While I haven't always agreed with Caleb Jones (aka Blackdragon and Alpha Male 2.0), I have always thought this article below was accurate.

The Only 9 Options for Men as They Age - Alpha Male 2.0

-By Caleb Jones As I’ve discussed before, most men, even Alpha Males, have no intention on being players for the rest of their lives. At some point, even the horniest players will want to “settle down” in some form or fashion. Today I’m going to...

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3. Be a player forever

This option means you stay in Charlie Harper mode forever, well in your old age, even as a very old man, eventually switching to paid sugar babies or hookers as your looks deteriorate.

This option is barely worth talking about because very few men will choose this option. The vast majority will chose to settle down and pair bond in some form or fashion. Regardless, it’s still an option technically.

The only big problem with this option is loneliness. I have never seen a guy choose this option and not wrestle with recurrent feelings of loneliness. Some form of pair bonding is more conducive to long-term happiness for a man, particularly as he gets past age 35.

The thing worth talking about is men's feelings of desiring pair bonding of some sort at ages 35+.

I'm a 41 year old man who has spent the last 25 years between Option 3 (Be a Player Forever) and Option 6 (Be a Serial Monogamist Forever). I have never monogamously married (Options 1-2) and I have never engaged in various non-marital open relationship structures (Options 7-8) or had an open marriage (Option 9).

From age 35 to today, I have remained someone focused on attraction and seduction. I have strong experience with what's discussed above.

I agree with the premise that there's a desire for some sort of pair bonding and extended relationships. Even before 35 (roughly 28-34), a man's social circle will transition to primarily couples and he will be on the outside looking in for a lot of social events. He might have to be the only uncoupled guy at a social gathering at someone's home. He might get invited to weddings without a +1 (if single or only casual, shorter term girlfriends) making him the only uncoupled guy at a wedding. After age 35, the couples who he knows who got married between 28-34 are going to be having kids. He might get stuck at events involving children of the males in his social circle or not get invited to dinner gatherings at restaurants when the coupled parents in his social circle manage to get together when they all get babysitters for an evening.

Some of these things I have mentioned in the "Pregnancy Announcements Everywhere" thread. That's become my personal thread to discuss events in my primary social circle comprised of couples with smaller children. I recommend reading and participating in the thread.

Pregnancy Announcements Everywhere! Life When Your Blue Pill Social Circle Starts Having Babies

Yesterday, I was on my Instagram and saw a pregnancy announcement from an acquaintance's wife in my social circle. I don't particularly like her. I find it annoying to be around her the 1-2 times a year I ever randomly see her in person. Right now, there are 3 women from my local area social...

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Men do feel pressure from external events in their social circles to get married, have children, and follow the stereotypical blue pill ideology lifestyle. Most social circles are filled with people with blue pilled ideologies towards romantic relationships. That's where I think men's desire to pair bond at age 35+ happens.

I haven't felt a stronger desire to get married since my 35th birthday. I have realized the probability of divorce is reasonably high. It's not something I want to do. I'm also not that offended at exclusion from social events when I am uncoupled or in a shorter term relationships. Most of those events are boring events anyway. It's not that exciting to a young child's birthday party when you are friends with the father.

As a whole, dating does tend to get more complex after age 30 for men dating similarly aged women. Most men 30+ are dating similarly aged women because that's all they can get. They are dealing with single mothers or childless women who have spent many years riding the penis carousel.

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

I think that's hard to understand, when I was in my 20s I was all about smashing and approaching hitting the "Field" etc
I started on this site when I was 24, broke, and was looking for purpose thinking putting my johnson in beautiful women would make me happy

I'm 40 now and my thought process compared to 24 has changed, some for the better and some for the worse, but my purpose now is to walk in lockstep with the plans my creator has for me. We all here are unique once men realize we have a greater purpose than putting a johnson in women that's when greatness begins!

Yeah, we all go through phases in our lives. Looking back at 25 year old you, or 15 year old you, and you'll laugh at your stupidity.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I have to call bullsh1t.

Illegal immigrants don't pay taxes, nor do they put much money into the economy.

I don't know how many you've been around, but they're extremely frugal (12 of them in a house made for 3) and send the majority of their money back to their home country.

The reason we aren't in a recession is because the gods of finance are doing everything they can to avoid the inevitable. I imagine it will start setting in after the election

The only God of finance is the business cycle. Expansion, peak, contraction, trough. It's the rule. But for some reason it just now seemed to stop working, and at the same time we have an influx of illegals. Friends of mine who work construction in the south say that it seems like no one speaks English on job sites any more. Obviously employment laws are not being enforced. If they did enforce the law, there wouldn't be enough workers and the whole project would shut down, which is bad for the economy.

Illegals pay every other tax besides payroll income. They still buy gas, beer, and cigarettes, and everything else. They also prop up businesses like construction, roofing, and landscaping by supplying labor. The boss man wouldn't have income of his own to tax without his workers.

Like I said, no one likes immigrants. I'm not volunteering to host any. My point is that it's not any accident they are allowed into the country and allowed to work illegally. Collapsing demographics necessitates it in order to keep the economy strong, so all the politicians can take credit.

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

The only God of finance is the business cycle. Expansion, peak, contraction, trough. It's the rule. But for some reason it just now seemed to stop working, and at the same time we have an influx of illegals. Friends of mine who work construction in the south say that it seems like no one speaks English on job sites any more. Obviously employment laws are not being enforced. If they did enforce the law, there wouldn't be enough workers and the whole project would shut down, which is bad for the economy.

The gods of finance are the federal reserve.

Illegals pay every other tax besides payroll income. They still buy gas, beer, and cigarettes, and everything else. They also prop up businesses like construction, roofing, and landscaping by supplying labor. The boss man wouldn't have income of his own to tax without his workers.

Right. They may pay sales tax, but other than that they don't contribute.

Like I said, no one likes immigrants. I'm not volunteering to host any. My point is that it's not any accident they are allowed into the country and allowed to work illegally. Collapsing demographics necessitates it in order to keep the economy strong, so all the politicians can take credit.

Illegal immigrants are employed in construction because they work for less money; they work for less money because they don't pay taxes. And again, most of their money, they send back home. Their work - in my experience - is sub par, and often needs to be redone.

I also know plenty of American roofers, landscapers and laborers. Illegal immigrants aren't propping up the economy. They aren't hurting it much, either.

Responses in bold.

The fed has been able to dictate what the economy does for as long as we've been alive.

The dollar has been the world's currency for all that time, so we could outsource our debt around the world via debt to other contries.

It seems the world's dynamics have changed recently, so I'm interested to see what happens.

I'm not confident in the dollar

 

[MatureDJ]

As soon as leaders in the Manosphere started to get religious, it was inevitable. Politics and religion would officially enter the world of game and the Red Pill would change as we know. The Red Pill was initially meant to be the hard truth of the world rather than a comfortable lie in the Blue Pill, at some point, it also turned into a "sexual strategy" community to help men get laid.

But if you know religious people, they have an issue with that.

"No sex before marriage"

Says the Bible.

The other thing is that religious dudes or dudes super into politics have awful game. A lot of them are judgmental and hate the fact that women are sleeping around. The issue here is that if women were all virgins who saved themselves for marriage, no one would have premarital sex. This means that the player lifestyle that the game community and red pill were teaching men about would cease to exist.

But these dudes cannot accept their own flaws, so they mask it behind politics and this fake sense of care for society.

Instead of owning up to the fact that their game is wack and women do not find them attractive, these dudes look for things to blame. Their egos are too delicate to accept that they need to work on themselves. So what did they do?

They started talking about how "bachelors are leading to societal collapse" and throwing statistics to make their point.

If only men and women would stop having casual sex, we could get back to the good ole days. If only men and women would stop sleep around with each other, the world would be perfect.

In a way, this shift into being the righteous savior of society by stopping people from casually hooking up with each other gave incels an inflated ego and this false hero complex. They could forever escape accountability.

In a way, it was to also compensate for a competitive dating market.

Most men are not getting laid. Women have higher standards now in men than they used to. A religious and "moral" society ensures that through marriage, a guy can at least get some. However, when that is gone, you have an army of frustrated men who just want things to go back to normal. They want the old days where a dude could at least get a marriage with a washed up chick.

I think mainstream non-denominational Christianity has devolved into a cuckfest, with the men there told, "you need to man up". When a man responds that the only chicks in the church to date - or that would be OK with dating him, ahem - are inevitably single mommies or whales, they are told that The Devil is keeping him from making the right choice (i.e., to "man up" with these chicks). Or alternatively, the man is shamed for not being "man enough" for a proper woman to find him attractive.

I think Aaron Clarey has made the proper deduction of all this - that men without poon will simply Go Galt. Once a man realizes that he will never be the sexual fantasy of an attractive young woman, his desire to continue to work hard (or join the military, etc.) will collapse, and he will take stock of his financial position, and try to figure out how to survive on some modest nest egg so that he can go GeoMaxxing - or if he considers GeoMaxxing to be too much of a hassle, he will learn to subsist on video games and an occasional squeeze at Chaturbate or OnlyFans.