Why the homotrend is rising

[penkitten]

for information on marriages you can go here :
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_marr.htm

Prior to the civil war African-Americans were not allowed to marry in many areas of the U.S. (See the quotation mentioned above.) After the war, marriage was redefined to include African-Americans.
bullet In the early 19th century, the Mormon Church, and later the territory of Utah, redefined marriage to include polygyny: plural marriage of one man to multiple women.
bullet In 1890, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- at least temporarily -- suspended polygyny. The definition of marriage returned to its earlier state of a union of one man and one woman. Polygyny continues among fundamentalist Mormon denominations in the state of Utah, in one area of British Columbia, Canada, with essentially no government interference.
bullet Prior to 1967, at least sixteen states prohibited mixed race couples from marrying. During that year, a U.S. Supreme Court decision -- "Loving v. Virginia" -- redefined marriage throughout the country to also include unions of persons of different races. Two years later, the state of Virginia adopted the travel slogan "Virginia is for Lovers." Few people apparently noticed the irony.

 

[ketostix]

so if the law were to not discriminate in any way, it would read : you can marry any person of your choosing who is not an immediate family member.

right?

No, it would still be discriminating against polygamist and pedopiles, or whatever else special interest group. To discriminate is not always a bad word, you know. Gays do not need to marry each other. It's just a ruse to make homosexuality equally valid to heterosexuality. The majority does not see it as equally valid. It's suppose to be majority rule. So the gay activist are on a propaganda/brainwashing campaign to sway public opinion. Why is it so hard for some to see this? Maybe they've already been brainwashed.

 

[speakeasy]

No, it would still be discriminating against polygamist and pedopiles, or whatever else special interest group. To discriminate is not always a bad word, you know. Gays do not need to marry each other. It's just a ruse to make homosexuality equally valid to heterosexuality. The majority does not see it as equally valid. It's suppose to be majority rule. So the gay activist are on a propaganda/brainwashing campaign to sway public opinion. Why is it so hard for some to see this? Maybe they've already been brainwashed.

I agree 100%. It's a complete propaganda campaign to force society to view homosexuality as a norm, rather than a deviance from the norm that should be tolerated, but not seen as equally desirable. Why would anyone in their right mind want their son to grow up attracted to men rather than women? If you say you could care less, you've been so brainwashed by the gay lobby that you are hopeless.

FYI, I'm by no means saying I wouldn't accept my son if he turned out to be gay, it's about whether I'd consider it preferable for him to be straight rather than gay and see men sleeping with men as something undesirable. The gay marriage people think I'm a bigot for saying such things.

 

[Inquisitus]

As recent as 40 years ago, this would've been....

..... Blacks & whites do not need to marry each other. It's just a ruse to make interracial marriages equally valid to single race marriages.

What is the difference between allowing interracial marriages & same sex marriages? BTW, pedophilia is illegal because it's harmful to society. The same is said of polygamy. What is the harm to society in allowing same sex marriage? You lose out on a couple of lesbian tail?

The majority does not see it as equally valid. It's suppose to be majority rule. So the gay activist are on a propaganda/brainwashing campaign to sway public opinion. Why is it so hard for some to see this? Maybe they've already been brainwashed.

How do you know that the majority of people in your country do not see homosexuality as valid?

Most free countries allow for protection of rights for minorities (ie interracial marriage, emancipation of women, abolition, etc..). How can you exercise a right that is useless to you due to the fundamental nature of your being?

What's the use of being able to marry a member of the opposite gender if your preference is for the same gender?

What does it matter to you as a heterosexual man whether a couple of gay guys who you don't know and will never meet have the same rights of marriage as you?

 

[Inquisitus]

I agree 100%. It's a complete propaganda campaign to force society to view homosexuality as a norm, rather than a deviance from the norm that should be tolerated, but not seen as equally desirable.

I don't see the "propaganda" campaign as forcing homosexuality as the norm. In fact, i don't see where homosexuals promote themselves as superior to heteros in any sense.

I would prefer my son/daughter to be hetero, but if they turned out gay, what can i do about it? They are what they are.

Just curious, if there was a way to "reverse" polarity, would you force your son to change his if he turned out to be gay?

 

[ketostix]

As recent as 40 years ago, this would've been....



What is the difference between allowing interracial marriages & same sex marriages? BTW, pedophilia is illegal because it's harmful to society. The same is said of polygamy. What is the harm to society in allowing same sex marriage? You lose out on a couple of lesbian tail?

Homosexuals are just as harmful to society as polygamist and pedophiles. Probably even more so, but go on believing what you want. See what you're doing? You're painting homosexuality as normal as people of various races marrying. I'm not a big supporter of interracial marriages but it's pretty self-evident that it's normal and natural to be sexually attracted to someone outside your race. You are comparing apples and oranges.

How do you know that the majority of people in your country do not see homosexuality as valid?

Uh because when gay marriage was put to the vote it failed miserably even in liberal states.

Most free countries allow for protection of rights for minorities (ie interracial marriage, emancipation of women, abolition, etc..). How can you exercise a right that is useless to you due to the fundamental nature of your being?

There's no need or right for anyone to get married, this gay marriage agenda is just a ruse. Then you go on and state that sexual orientation is genetic. This is not proven and even so just because you have a genetic nature to act a certain way doesn't mean you should be allowed to let alone does it mean it should be accepted as normal.

What's the use of being able to marry a member of the opposite gender if your preference is for the same gender?

Well why does it even matter? I explained the real reason why.

What does it matter to you as a heterosexual man whether a couple of gay guys who you don't know and will never meet have the same rights of marriage as you?

To be totally honest with you I don't care if two people of the same gender (or different for that matter) want to couple and have a civil union. It just shouldn't be recognized as a sexual union like marriage is. Another problem I have is it just further cheapens and degrades the concept of marriage, family etc. It not a simple concept to explain and the issue is not as simple as the pro-gay make it out to be. Gays along with feminist are responsible for mixing up gender roles. Gays are not all benevolent to heterosexuals. This debate is becoming circular.

 

[speakeasy]

Just curious, if there was a way to "reverse" polarity, would you force your son to change his if he turned out to be gay?

Yes, if there was a pill or something that would turn my gay son straight, I would give it to him. Why wouldn't I? If my kid could be cured of retardation or color-blindness with a pill I'd give it to him. Why wouldn't I do the same with homosexuality. It's a genetic defect in sexual preference. Doesn't make the person bad, but means nature made a mistake. Nature gave my son a penis and sperm for the purpose of reproducing with a female and continuing the genetic line. Nature gave us two basic instincts, to survive and to replicate. Gays cannot do what nature wants them to, therefore homosexuality is unnatural and should not be socially promoted, and damn sure should not be held up as the equivalent of heterosexuality.

 

[speakeasy]

As recent as 40 years ago, this would've been....

What is the difference between allowing interracial marriages & same sex marriages?

First of all, race is a social construct. From a scientific viewpoint, it's hard to define what a "race" really is. Some "black" people that can nearly pass for white are labeled "black". See what I mean? What "race" is a Hispanic? They can be mixed between European, Indian and African. What is their race? Are the Irish a different race than other whites? Well at one point, people used to think so as the Irish were discriminated against and seen as different from regular white Americans. Race in a way is just a made up concept we use to categorize people that really has no use beyond just the superficial. I'm saying that race is bullsh-t when it comes down to it. Sex on the other hand, is not a construct. Men and women have different hormones, different chromosomes, different body structures, different behaviors that have evolved over millions of years such as women having inborn tendencies to nuture whereas men have inclinations to be providers. There are serious differences between the sexes that go beyond the superficial.

 

[spesmilitis]

The fact of the matter is society is promoting gayness, and hey I don't mind. I like gay men, cause then there are more women for me, considering it's alwayse 2 men less with a gayrelationship. I just hate the thought that a homo might be checking me out or even make a move on me and I hate the way those feminite ones talk aswell...

It's bothering me when I game a women to later on hear she's gay, in fact she's just trying out something society has implemented in her head, she's not gay, she just wants to see if she isen't. You know what they did with homo's in the middle ages? Blame them for witchcraft and burn them at the stakes, thats why it rarely excisted back then!

Then all the sudden it was okay, and now with television its even promoted!

In the end I don't think accepting gayness is a bad thing, but promoting it is by far the most fvcked up thing ever

Wtf, your logic is out of wack. If theirs nothing wrong with the subject, why is it wrong to promote it.

 

[Credos]

What if your father is gay... You grow up with two dads...

Doesn't that kindof obligate you to see it as normal or even a standard that men should like men? I think the education and views from parents and schools influence the childs mind even in ways of sexual orientation... :nono: Which obviously can only be bad. But then you have the people who say being gay is normal :crazy:, which I can't understand how people could even think that. It are mainly these kind of people who put this image of gayness being good in a childs mind, alot of these people are teachers... *argh, the agony*

It is not normal, but because we don't discriminate we allow it, considering it only involves the two people of that gay relationship. Period.
If however there is a third party involved like a KID, then it should, by all means, NOT BE ALLOWED! It are the fools that would allow this and it pisses me off quite a bit :crazy:.

What if my wife and I die, and my boy ends up in a gay family , I would so haunt all gays for an eternity especially if he becomes gay

Wtf, your logic is out of wack. If theirs nothing wrong with the subject, why is it wrong to promote it.

my logic comes from
1) stop harrasing strangers about being gay especially on tv, we don't wanna know
2) I don't want my kids to, thanks to this promoting which is a great cause of more gayness, become one themselfs; Nor do I want him near gaypromoting people
3) The only reasons for promoting is:
- more political votes
- sensation on tv, which seem to entertain alot of morons today

 

[Inquisitus]

Homosexuals are just as harmful to society as polygamist and pedophiles. Probably even more so, but go on believing what you want. See what you're doing? You're painting homosexuality as normal as people of various races marrying. I'm not a big supporter of interracial marriages but it's pretty self-evident that it's normal and natural to be sexually attracted to someone outside your race. You are comparing apples and oranges.

How are homosexuals harmful? This is what I don't get about your point. Pedophiles are harmful because they cause mental trauma to a developing being. In addition, there is a significant power difference between an adult and a child.

Homosexual relationships are between consenting adults who are free to do as they wish.

Are homosexuals harmful because they can corrupt others? If that were so, then sexual preference must actually be a conscious preference.

Are homosexuals more likely to commit crime?

What i'm trying to paint for you is what the hell is the big deal about allowing same sex marriage?

Uh because when gay marriage was put to the vote it failed miserably even in liberal states.

Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa (?? didn't think this state was liberal) now. Vermont & Maine within the year.

There's no need or right for anyone to get married, this gay marriage agenda is just a ruse. Then you go on and state that sexual orientation is genetic. This is not proven and even so just because you have a genetic nature to act a certain way doesn't mean you should be allowed to let alone does it mean it should be accepted as normal.

I in no way implied whether genetics had everything or nothing to do with homosexuality. So please, stop the strawman.

...even so just because you have a genetic nature to act a certain way doesn't mean you should be allowed to let alone does it mean it should be accepted as normal.

How can a person act against what they are? I can't just turn off my attraction to women at will and i doubt you can too. How can you expect homosexuals to do the same?

Well why does it even matter? I explained the real reason why.

Because it's "unnatural"? ****, nature has been defined as the phenomena of the physical world.

I don't know whether it's genetics or upbringing but it's there. Homosexuality is observable.

To be totally honest with you I don't care if two people of the same gender (or different for that matter) want to couple and have a civil union. It just shouldn't be recognized as a sexual union like marriage is. Another problem I have is it just further cheapens and degrades the concept of marriage, family etc. It not a simple concept to explain and the issue is not as simple as the pro-gay make it out to be. Gays along with feminist are responsible for mixing up gender roles. Gays are not all benevolent to heterosexuals. This debate is becoming circular.

How can the same-sex marriage cheapen & degrade the concept of marriage? Just because everyone can do it means it's not special anymore? This goes back to who the **** cares about what other people do. Your marriage is between you and your wife, with legal benefits on the side of course.

I sort of agree about feminists & gender roles, but gays? Most guys i know are borderline homophobic yet they'd fit the bill for AFCs.

 

[Inquisitus]

Yes, if there was a pill or something that would turn my gay son straight, I would give it to him. Why wouldn't I? If my kid could be cured of retardation or color-blindness with a pill I'd give it to him. Why wouldn't I do the same with homosexuality. It's a genetic defect in sexual preference. Doesn't make the person bad, but means nature made a mistake. Nature gave my son a penis and sperm for the purpose of reproducing with a female and continuing the genetic line. Nature gave us two basic instincts, to survive and to replicate. Gays cannot do what nature wants them to, therefore homosexuality is unnatural and should not be socially promoted, and damn sure should not be held up as the equivalent of heterosexuality.

We have no idea whether homosexuality is a defect or if there is some purpose behind it. We don't even understand the mechanism for what governs sexual "preference".

Retardation and color-blindness affects quality of life and maybe productivity/survivability (definitely for the former, maybe for the latter). Homosexuality affects neither. It prevents reproduction which would technically remove their genes from the pool.

Nature doesn't care one way or the other. It is just there. Homosexuals are observable in the physical world so by defnition, they are natural. They are contrary to the norm for the majority of the population but they are still there.

 

[Inquisitus]

my logic comes from
1) stop harrasing strangers about being gay especially on tv, we don't wanna know
2) I don't want my kids to, thanks to this promoting which is a great cause of more gayness, become one themselfs; Nor do I want him near gaypromoting people
3) The only reasons for promoting is:
- more political votes
- sensation on tv, which seem to entertain alot of morons today

1. Change the fookin' channel if you don't want to watch

2. Is sexual preference really a preference? If so, can you turn homosexual tomorrow or in a year? I know i can't.

3. Homosexuals only comprise 2-10% of the population depending on who you ask. There's evidence it's closer to 2 than 10. That ain't a lot of votes.
Again, don't watch the crap that entertains morons unless you want to be one as well.

 

[Credos]

1. Change the fookin' channel if you don't want to watch

2. Is sexual preference really a preference? If so, can you turn homosexual tomorrow or in a year? I know i can't.

3. Homosexuals only comprise 2-10% of the population depending on who you ask. There's evidence it's closer to 2 than 10. That ain't a lot of votes.
Again, don't watch the crap that entertains morons unless you want to be one as well.

about you 2)
Sexual preference is partially implemented in the human mind, to bad you seriously can't understand that.
- Priest being pedo's... wierd they didn't rape older women but mainly kids...
- Wierd that mainly the rich romans like a previous poster was telling about, would have a gay background...
- african cannibals? Yes sir, implemented by their ancestors...
- virgin sacrifice? again...
- prisoners in jail pumping other men's @ss full with seed; lack of sex -> behavoir caused by envirrement
- ...

But hey, I don't care if you can't understand that 95% of the human behavior (which includes "sexual orientation") is caused by events and behavoirs of their suroundings, but don't come post here then and remain in your box :nono:.

This post by the way is not about hating gays or not accepting them, its about the influence it has by calling it normal, trying to exclude the taboo? If you wanna purge that taboo out, then trow away the darwin system aswell and pump seed in males. :moon:

About your entertaining blabla:

Have you ever been in belgium?

I don't watch tv, cause it's all some kind of bullsh*t,
- gay blind date etc
- follow the national morron doing his daily stuff
- talkshow with the politicians trying to act smart, but actually being major dumb@sses

rarely its ever a good comedy or a good movie

Ow well, good thing I'm in college and got my favorite pub to go to.

 

[Captain Harlock]

about you 2)
Sexual preference is partially implemented in the human mind, to bad you seriously can't understand that.
- Priest being pedo's... wierd they didn't rape older women but mainly kids...
- Wierd that mainly the rich romans like a previous poster was telling about, would have a gay background...
- african cannibals? Yes sir, implemented by their ancestors...
- virgin sacrifice? again...
- prisoners in jail pumping other men's @ss full with seed; lack of sex -> behavoir caused by envirrement
- ...

But hey, I don't care if you can't understand that 95% of the human behavior (which includes "sexual orientation") is caused by events and behavoirs of their suroundings, but don't come post here then and remain in your box :nono:.

where'd you get that 95% from? And since when is sexual preference the same as 'behavior'? Seems like you're just pulling stuff out of your ass, just like the other homophobes in this thread. To summarize it:

'oh no gays are bad for society'
'oh no gays are not normal'
'boo hoo they're ruining my tv shows'
'gays are gonna make my kids gay'

same things were probably said about equal rights for black people a few decades ago.

 

[Credos]

After reading all the responses to this post so far and it me think about what I should do as an individual and I finally figered it out.

Sit back in my chair, enjoy the view outside. The view by the way is wonderfull, alot of green, little bit clouded, I feel at piece and happy...
I stop caring about this kind of random sh*t that barely affects my life for a few minutes and have a big laugh at the people who are so vigorly flaming and attacking/defending with their opinion. It's all a big joke anyhow (which includes you and me).

In the end I guess, none of us are really white, black, yellow, green, homo's, too big, too small, etc...
...
...
The rest of them, are germans...

Piece out people
:flowers:

 

[Guoy Darko]

There are cases of people being born with 2 heads, or with parasitic twins, and other extreme genetic mutuations. Sure you could say that's "natural" just because it happened, but that doesn't mean that is what nature intended or in any way the norm. It's a genetic defect. Homosexuality is a genetic defect in sexual preference, just like color blindness is a genetic defect from a a normal and preferable retina that sees color tri-chromatically. I get sick of people pretending that homosexuality is just the norm like being straight. Now you can be a normal person and be gay just like you can be a color blind and be a completely normal person, but these people have genetic defects. This whole gay argument should start with an acknowledgement of that before we move on. Homosexuality is a genetic defect like being born a hermaphrodite or asexual. Nature has blueprints, and one of those was for men to pair up and to procreate with women. Sometimes nature makes mistakes. There are midgets, albinos, siamese twins, etc etc. We have no problem calling those genetic defects, but when you say that about gays, they get their panties in a bunch and want to call you a bigot.

So you just want gays to say their sexuality is a genetic defect? Why? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Maybe 10% of all people were supposed to be gay just to keep population growth a little bit under control? I don't know. Nor do you.

Midgets with color blindness can marry midgets with two heads if they want. So gays should be allowed to marry gays. It's really simple. I don't care if it's abnormal or not. You don't know and neither do I. I just know that it doesn't hurt anybody, and if it makes them happy, why not? The more happy people in the world the better.

 

[STR8UP]

Wanna know what's really gay?

Starting threads about homo agenda's and homo trends. Sounds like a bunch of right wing religious nutjob rhetoric.

There are gay chicks and there are gay dudes out there. If some dude would rather puff a pickle and some chick would rather munch carpet....more power to 'em. If they want to get married and be "accepted" by polite society...more power to 'em. I don't see anyone trying to "convert" anyone else.

Why take time out of your day to even think about the subject? Oh wait I did just that. Now back to sh!t that effects MY life......

 

[speakeasy]

We have no idea whether homosexuality is a defect or if there is some purpose behind it. We don't even understand the mechanism for what governs sexual "preference".

Of course it is a defect. It's your political correctness that's stopping you from admitting it. Gays for whatever reason enjoy this special status where nobody can say anything but sweet words about homosexuality lest they be considered the equivalent of a racist. If I say being a hermaphrodite is a genetic defect in the mechanism that chooses sex, nobody considers that controversial. But say that homosexuality is a defect in sexual preference, and you become, mean, judgmental, bigoted and who knows what else. Gays, given that they are about 3% of the population have had an incredible amount of influence for a group of their size, fooling the world into thinking 10% of people are gay, and that they deserve to be some special, protected class of people like any minorities. And we must never say anything critical of them. They've practically taken over channels like MTV that brainwash kids into thinking that being gay is something noble or even hip, rather than being a genetic defect in sexual preference and inferior to heterosexuality. Now notice, I'm talking about the behavior, not the person. I'm not saying gays are inferior to straights, they're people like anyone, but I'm saying the act of men marrying with men should not be viewed as equal to men marrying women, an act which creates families and perpetuates our genetic line. And isn't that nature's main purpose for us? To reproduce?

Retardation and color-blindness affects quality of life and maybe productivity/survivability (definitely for the former, maybe for the latter). Homosexuality affects neither. It prevents reproduction which would technically remove their genes from the pool.

Homosexuality doesn't affect quality of life? Well then explain why all those bathhouses had to be shut down in San Francisco because they were spreading AIDS like wildfire? Did you know that men having sex with men is the way HIV is most commonly spread? The promiscuity in the gay community is a good reason why AIDS even took hold in America in the first place. Otherwise it would have probably confined itself to Africa.

 

[speakeasy]

And one final point. Doesn't it seem like the gay community is just looking for validation from straights?

Under civil unions, they already have all the same legal rights that they complain they are being denied as couples. But they are not satisfied with that. They want it to be called "marriage" just the same as straight couples. So isn't this obvious that gay marriage is not about gaining rights, but simply trying to force straights to accept their lifestyle? Or why wouldn't they be happy with civil unions that grant all the same things? It's like the word marriage itself is so damn important to them and getting straights to accept them. Why do they care so much about what straights think of them? Why do they seek so much validation from us? If gays want to be together, then be together, call your unions something else unique to gays, but why steal the term marriage away from what it has been defined by straights for thousands of years across every continent and culture on earth? Yes, even the ancient Greeks who were very tolerant of homosexuality didn't believe in marrying people of the same sex. And this was the society that promoted sexual relations between men and pubescent boys, and even they didn't want gay marriage.


David DeAngelo used a term he called "a mind virus", I don't know if he made it up, but that seems to be what's going on with all this gay stuff right now. There seems to be almost a mind virus going on with regards to gays these last few years. I'm on facebook and have friends that keep joining every gay advocacy facebook group you can imagine. They want gay on the supreme court, they want a gays with immigration rights to bring in their partners, they want a gay secretary of the Navy, etc etc. I mean it's starting to seem a bit neurotic at this point. Can't everyone see just this mass push for gayness the last few years, that all seemed to have started with the Supreme Court overturning sodomy laws. Then before you know, there's all this Queer as folk, Queer eye for the straight guy, MTV with gay dating shows, all this push for gay marriage, gay adoption, gay talk show hosts like Ellen and Rosie, it's like damn, these gays are 3% of the country, yet it's like all this gay mania is going on. Why is gay acceptance being rammed down everyone's throat these last few years? Why are they trying to make gays into the new blacks, like it's 1960. They are not blacks. There are documented cases of gay men who made serious efforts to leave the gay lifestyle and went on to happily marry women and have families.