Why the homotrend is rising

[Guoy Darko]

And who do you think gays wants to make life more difficult and take freedoms away from? Heterosexual men. Gays are for feminism and opressive laws and social conventions that make things difficult for heterosexual men to deal with women.

:crackup: Are you even slightly serious?

 

[ketostix]

You can't promote gayness.

Say what? You can promote anything. Do you think most men are naturally feminist? No, they are taught (brainwashed) to support it. I know what you're trying to say. You're trying to say that sexual orientation is not by choice or behavior, but that's your unproven premise.

Because it's on the television doesn't mean it's promoted.

TV is one of the best way to promote anything.

You can't convert a gay person to be straight or the other way around. So even if people were promoting it, it wouldn't make a difference. cheers.

There's your premise that sexual orientation is totally involuntary. It doesn't matter if an abnormal behavior is voluntary or not, if it's being socially approved and promoted it makes a lot of difference. It makes little difference if someone is "really" gay as long as they support the behavior and maybe even engage in it. I'll tell you something else about a lot of gay people. Many of them believe you can convert a straight person gay. Gay guys prey on young straight vulnerable guys. That's the goal to get a young straight guys/girls to have gay sex.

 

[Guoy Darko]

There's your premise that sexual orientation is totally involuntary. It doesn't matter if an abnormal behavior is voluntary or not, if it's being socially approved and promoted it makes a lot of difference.

Maybe it's not normal to be gay (as the norm is straight), but it is natural. It's part of nature. There are homosexual animals everywhere. It has been studied many times. People shouldn't come with arguments like "it's not natural!" It makes no sense. Whoever or whatever proces created us also created homosexuality.

 

[ketostix]

Maybe it's not normal to be gay (as the norm is straight), but it is natural. It's part of nature. There are homosexual animals everywhere. It has been studied many times. People shouldn't come with arguments like "it's not natural!" It makes no sense. Whoever or whatever proces created us also created homosexuality.

It's debatable that homosexuality is natural for animals. There are not "homosexual animals everywhere". Most animals given the choice will mate with the opposite sex and not mate with the same sex exclusively.

You can find all sorts of behavior or characteristics in naure that's abnormal, but that doesn't mean it's good or acceptable. Rape is common in apes. Does that mean rape is acceptable too? Incest is common among animals, and there's all sorts of behaviors you might see from fratercide to cannabalism, etc. Bottom line is these animal studies are a poor model for human behavior. I said it before, if you want to model what's natural for humans you would look through human history and observe native and indigenous peoples. And you'd find that the vast majority were not supportive of homosexuality any more than they would be for pedohilia.

 

[TheBucketOfTruth]

I'll tell you something else about a lot of gay people. Many of them believe you can convert a straight person gay. Gay guys prey on young straight vulnerable guys. That's the goal to get a young straight guys/girls to have gay sex.

How many gay people do you know? Where are you getting this information? I'm sure there are some homosexual men that have some sort of straight guy fantasy, but in reality that's not any different from a straight guy wanting to bang the hot lipstick lesbian.

I find it troubling how serious some of you guys are about this. It's obvious that you won't be convinced. You think homosexuality is wrong, and your views stem from there. Did someone mention brainwashing? You're just as brainwashed to be prejudiced against homosexuals as you claim some men are to support feminist ideologies.

Do you really think homosexuality is a choice? I guess that's why conversion/reparative therapy works so well. Oh wait, it doesn't.

 

[Captain Harlock]

It's debatable that homosexuality is natural for animals. There are not "homosexual animals everywhere". Most animals given the choice will mate with the opposite sex and not mate with the same sex exclusively.

You can find all sorts of behavior or characteristics in naure that's abnormal, but that doesn't mean it's good or acceptable. Rape is common in apes. Does that mean rape is acceptable too? Incest is common among animals, and there's all sorts of behaviors you might see from fratercide to cannabalism, etc. Bottom line is these animal studies are a poor model for human behavior. I said it before, if you want to model what's natural for humans you would look through human history and observe native and indigenous peoples. And you'd find that the vast majority were not supportive of homosexuality any more than they would be for pedohilia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etoro

Ironic how those people live more 'natural' than you do eh?

 

[Darth]

Oh, come on. Don't even try to argue that homosexuality is the natural order of things.

What causes it is kind of irrelevant though, when we're talking about the social effects.

 

[Luthor Rex]

Maybe it's not normal to be gay (as the norm is straight), but it is natural. It's part of nature. There are homosexual animals everywhere. It has been studied many times. People shouldn't come with arguments like "it's not natural!" It makes no sense. Whoever or whatever proces created us also created homosexuality.

It is natural in the sense that it does exist, but it is unnatural in the sense that it destroys the reason for our existence: procreation. Homo have zero Darwinian value, and are thus pretty much irrelevant to nature. Anything that destroys Darwinian value (the reason nature 'created' us) cannot be viewed as anything but dysfunctional.

If you are going to argue for homosexual marriage, using the natural / unnatural argument doesn't work very well for either side of the debate. Arguing from a perspective of contractual law would probably get better results.

 

[Luthor Rex]

Do you really think homosexuality is a choice?

Sure, there is no reason you couldn't have chosen to place another man's penis in your mouth after you made this post. I'm sure some people are born with a predisposition to homosexuality, I'm sure there are other people who chose to do it. The ancient Greeks had a tradition of older men taking younger men as lovers (as well as getting married later). Most of those men who took younger men as lovers went on to get married -- should we now argue that they couldn't help being bisexual? Please, they chose to follow their culture.

How about all the gay sex and homo rape that goes on in prison? Are all of those men suddenly gay where they hadden't been been before? Nope, they just chose to do it for whatever reasons.

 

[Captain Harlock]

Oh, come on. Don't even try to argue that homosexuality is the natural order of things.

What causes it is kind of irrelevant though, when we're talking about the social effects.

I'm not arguing it. The whole 'natural' argument doesn't make any sense at all anyway. If you want to live 'natural' then wtf are you doing on the internet. Leave society and go move in to the nearest jungle.

 

[speakeasy]

Maybe it's not normal to be gay (as the norm is straight), but it is natural. It's part of nature. There are homosexual animals everywhere. It has been studied many times. People shouldn't come with arguments like "it's not natural!" It makes no sense. Whoever or whatever proces created us also created homosexuality.

There are cases of people being born with 2 heads, or with parasitic twins, and other extreme genetic mutuations. Sure you could say that's "natural" just because it happened, but that doesn't mean that is what nature intended or in any way the norm. It's a genetic defect. Homosexuality is a genetic defect in sexual preference, just like color blindness is a genetic defect from a a normal and preferable retina that sees color tri-chromatically. I get sick of people pretending that homosexuality is just the norm like being straight. Now you can be a normal person and be gay just like you can be a color blind and be a completely normal person, but these people have genetic defects. This whole gay argument should start with an acknowledgement of that before we move on. Homosexuality is a genetic defect like being born a hermaphrodite or asexual. Nature has blueprints, and one of those was for men to pair up and to procreate with women. Sometimes nature makes mistakes. There are midgets, albinos, siamese twins, etc etc. We have no problem calling those genetic defects, but when you say that about gays, they get their panties in a bunch and want to call you a bigot.

 

[PRMoon]

I'm not sure if the "Trend is rising" per say. I think it's just becoming more public. I've know closet homosexuals almost my whole life. Often times it was the guys who were the most adiment about being "manly" and otherwise hated gays. Sometimes just nice guys who were hiding out and finally came out.

Me, I've never had anyproblems with candy boys. They're people like anybody else, I don't give a two sh*ts about how "natrual or unnatrual" it is. They're people on this planet and they have every right to be be as happy or unhappy as anybody else. So they stand up for their rights after years of taking basball bats to the head for being themselves then reporting it to the police...and having them night stick them for being gay too. Oh no queer eye for the straight guy is invading my life! Whatever shall I do?! Gimme a break, homosexuals rank very low on my list of social enfrigment specialist. How do gays having rights enfringe on your rights? So there's some extra litigation to be done in court because of new laws. Who cares? If you have problems with the law then do what I do and keep at least one lawyer on speed dial.

 

[TheBucketOfTruth]

There are cases of people being born with 2 heads, or with parasitic twins, and other extreme genetic mutuations. Sure you could say that's "natural" just because it happened, but that doesn't mean that is what nature intended or in any way the norm. It's a genetic defect. Homosexuality is a genetic defect in sexual preference, just like color blindness is a genetic defect from a a normal and preferable retina that sees color tri-chromatically. I get sick of people pretending that homosexuality is just the norm like being straight. Now you can be a normal person and be gay just like you can be a color blind and be a completely normal person, but these people have genetic defects. This whole gay argument should start with an acknowledgement of that before we move on. Homosexuality is a genetic defect like being born a hermaphrodite or asexual. Nature has blueprints, and one of those was for men to pair up and to procreate with women. Sometimes nature makes mistakes. There are midgets, albinos, siamese twins, etc etc. We have no problem calling those genetic defects, but when you say that about gays, they get their panties in a bunch and want to call you a bigot.

You're talking theory. We still haven't found out what causes homosexuality (though we probably will, even if it's a myriad of factors). In any case, homosexuals should be afforded the same rights as any other citizen, just as midgets or other minorities are.

PS: Getting negative rep points for trying to be a voice of reason is lame, especially when the guy hasn't even participated in the thread. Good thing the rep points don't really count for anything.

 

[speakeasy]

You're talking theory. We still haven't found out what causes homosexuality (though we probably will, even if it's a myriad of factors). In any case, homosexuals should be afforded the same rights as any other citizen, just as midgets or other minorities are.

They do. Technically, gays have the same exact right as me you or anyone else is guaranteed under the constitution. The ability to marry one person of the opposite sex from outside their immediate family. Because they don't want to marry someone of the opposite sex doesn't mean they are being discriminated against it. Is a bisexual being discriminated against if they aren't allowed to marry both a man and a woman?

 

[ketostix]

They do. Technically, gays have the same exact right as me you or anyone else is guaranteed under the constitution.
The ability to marry one person of the opposite sex from outside their immediate family.

Right, they have the same rights as anyone else. What they really want is their abnormal and unusual behavior to be accepted as equally valid as normal heterosexual behavior. Then they make all the unsubstantiated claims of being discriminated against simply on the basis of their sexual orientation not being as accepted as the common one of hetrosexuality. So what they're really trying to do is get special treatment and protection. They actually kind of have that already, but they want more.

Because they don't want to marry someone of the opposite sex doesn't mean they are being discriminated against it. Is a bisexual being discriminated against if they aren't allowed to marry both a man and a woman?

Yeah, why do they think their behavior should be as valid as the concept of marrying one unrelated person of the opposite sex. Pedophiles, incestual relations and polygamist could make similar arguments too.

 

[speakeasy]

What irks me is that it's like gays are trying to frame themselves as some sort of "race" in a way that's being discriminated against. Homosexuality is a behavior, race is not. That's what makes it a different circumstance. The Pope could be as gay as Richard Simmons, but since he's taken a vow of chastity and cannot marry, it's pretty irrelevant. It's not about what he is, but how he behaves.

 

[Captain Harlock]

Right, they have the same rights as anyone else. What they really want is their abnormal and unusual behavior to be accepted as equally valid as normal heterosexual behavior. Then they make all the unsubstantiated claims of being discriminated against simply on the basis of their sexual orientation not being as accepted as the common one of hetrosexuality. So what they're really trying to do is get special treatment and protection. They actually kind of have that already, but they want more.

you're either stupid or in denial. And probably in the closet as well. A few hundred years ago guys like you tried to make the same reasoning (as far as there's any reason concerned) for slavery. It's like arguing with a guy who claims grass is red.

 

[penkitten]

They do. Technically, gays have the same exact right as me you or anyone else is guaranteed under the constitution. The ability to marry one person of the opposite sex from outside their immediate family. Because they don't want to marry someone of the opposite sex doesn't mean they are being discriminated against it. Is a bisexual being discriminated against if they aren't allowed to marry both a man and a woman?

technically the law says you have the ability to marry one person outside of your immediate family of the opposite sex (unless you live in a state like tennessee where you are allowed to marry your own first cousin) which is not discriminating if they wanted to marry someone of the opposite sex,

however they do not want to marry someone of the opposite sex, which is where the law discriminates to the people that want to marry someone of the same sex outside of their immediate families.

so if the law were to not discriminate in any way, it would read : you can marry any person of your choosing who is not an immediate family member.

right?

 

[kingy]

im not anti gay in the slightest, i love to do gay game on friends sometimes to freek them out for fun. I dont like bi-sexual men tho which are very common in gay clubs.

They sleep with men all the time but **** women too, all the stds the gay community just gets transfered. pick one or the other.

 

[penkitten]

What irks me is that it's like gays are trying to frame themselves as some sort of "race" in a way that's being discriminated against. Homosexuality is a behavior, race is not. That's what makes it a different circumstance. The Pope could be as gay as Richard Simmons, but since he's taken a vow of chastity and cannot marry, it's pretty irrelevant. It's not about what he is, but how he behaves.

in rental housing , hud follows this LAW:
http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/FHLaws/yourrights.cfm
What Is Prohibited?

In the Sale and Rental of Housing: No one may take any of the following actions based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, familial status or handicap.

This is a national law.
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familiar status means who you live with in your home, if you have small children , etc .... and if you are gay we aren't supposed to care that your gay lover lives with you, as long as they are on your lease and income claimed.

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some places have more laws attached for their "city code".

they say you can not discriminate against people for their "sexual orientation"
http://www.genderadvocates.org/publications/strategies.html
Toledo (1998): Amending various sections of the Toledo Municipal Code to include prohibition of discrimination against any person upon the basis of sexual orientation… (i) "Sexual orientation" means a person's actual or perceived heterosexuality, bisexuality, homosexuality, or gender identity, by orientation or practice.

or being transgendered:
Santa Cruz: It is the intent of the city council, in enacting this chapter, to protect and safeguard the right and opportunity of all persons to be free from all forms of arbitrary discrimination, including discrimination based on age, race, color, creed, religion, national origin, ancestry, disability, marital status, sex, gender, sexual orientation, height, weight or physical characteristic…. "Gender" shall have the same meaning as "sex" as that term is used herein and shall be broadly interpreted to include persons who are known or assumed to be transgendered.

or being married :
Benton County Oregon (1998): It is the policy of the County to eliminate discrimination based on race, religion, color, sex, marital status, familial status, national origin, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, gender identity or source of income… "Gender identity" includes the status of being transsexual or transgender. "Sexual orientation" means actual or supposed perceived homosexuality, heterosexuality or bisexuality.