Why Does Man Lie?

[Interceptor]

iqqi,
IMO Integrity is fueled in two parts, by your general level of discipline and the amount of resolve and commitment to your beliefs.

If either is lacking ,you will have problems. This will affect your Personal Boundary, and then it becomes a house of cards.

 

[Phyzzle]

While I'm convinced that men and women lie for all the same reasons, it is kind of funny to notice the kinds of lies they tell, especially in the rawness of their youth.

A 12 year old compulsive lying boy: "My uncle was in the mafia, and his arms dealing contacts got me a job with the military, but then I stole a truckload of explosives and now the government wants me dead."

A 12 year old compulsive lying girl: "I found out that I'm pregnant and HIV positive. I'm just going to kill myself."

The male imagination: compulsive lying or compulsive AWESOMENESS?

 

[frivolousz21]

I am going to keep this extremely bare of a question, before I go deeper into what is on my mind. The only structure I want to give to this discussion at this point, is that I mean Man, as in men. I am well aware all people lie, but I'd like to focus on the reason men lie.

Discuss.

so I can do what I want without a women nagging me me.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

men, women, whoever, lie for the same reason:

the same reason a dog licks its own testicals

the same reason bush went to iraq

the same reason soldiers rape little girls:

BECAUSE THEY CAN

people don't lie because they choose not to? no. their brainwashing (either on thier own or society) won't let them.

of course, sometimes (but not the vast majority of times) people find out and they look bad, sometimes.

deal with it.

 

[Tazman]

I can understand asking why men tend to lie about something more specific, but to ask why we lie period makes no sense. A lie is a lie is a lie.

 

[iqqi]

I am responding to this at this exact moment because Cesare is on here now, and I want him to respond.

Edit:

So anyways, I was talking with my girl HB Ra, and she basically said, in an exasperated girl way "GIRL! Men don't need a reason to lie. They are just TALKING. Its just TALK. People aren't like YOU, some people just SAY whatEVER, doesn't mean it is true!"

Then we got on the subject of a guy who told me he used to do drugs, but stopped when he realized it was get hooked, or give it up. Her response was "It is NOT that easy. He probably WANTS to be that guy..."

Which brought it back to the first thing she said.

Thoughts?

 

[ketostix]

you're the one who said 'being naive is the downfall of being true' - which makes a clear statement that you must be naive to be true.

which is utterly ridiculous.

and anyone who is naive is a sheep. the absolutely greatest sin you can commit in this world is the sin of being naive - because naive people can be lead to do anything.

you know why we are in a recession? cuz a bunch of naive idiots signed up for mortgages without knowing what they were signing up for.

you know why guys end up divorced and broke, because they didn't understand women before marrying one.

only in the world of women can being naive be seen as a virtue.

well its not.

moreover, if you are a quote 'good' person who is naive, then you aren't good at all. you are only good for the time being, until someone convinces you to be otherwise.

you can only be TRULY good if you understand the choice between good and bad, and choose good.

all the great moralistic leaders - jesus, gandhi, mother teresa, mendala, etc. - they were NOT naive. they understood the choice and they choose to be virtuous.

if you dont understand the choices you have, then you are a sheep - a sheep on a good path mind you, but a sheep none the less.

Haven't read all the threads yet, but this a rare case where I'm going to have to at least partially disagree with Joekerr. I'd argue being naive or "innocent" is a virtue. A child is often naive, but we don't say that's bad or a sin. And if a person who isn't as naive takes advantage of a naive person, then the "sin" is on the perpetrator and not the naive victim. Just because both people might be adults doesn't make it any more right either.

Having said all that, I don't think being naive means you're automatically more virtuist. But generally naive people tend to be more good natured. Pople tend to judges others by how they are themselves, e.g., a naive person tends to see other people as good because they thmselves are and vice versa.

 

[ketostix]

So anyways, I was talking with my girl HB Ra, and she basically said, in an exasperated girl way "GIRL! Men don't need a reason to lie. They are just TALKING. Its just TALK. People aren't like YOU, some people just SAY whatEVER, doesn't mean it is true!"

Then we got on the subject of a guy who told me he used to do drugs, but stopped when he realized it was get hooked, or give it up. Her response was "It is NOT that easy. He probably WANTS to be that guy..."

Which brought it back to the first thing she said.

Thoughts?

I think your friend HB Ra is full of sh!t. Where'd you find her in the ghetto? Is this the same girl that tried to steal your guy awhile back?

 

[iqqi]

I think your friend HB Ra is full of sh!t. Where'd you find her in the ghetto? Is this the same girl that tried to steal your guy awhile back?

That is NOT on topic, son. And no, not the same girl.

HB Ra is the female equivalent of sosuave. I'll let you think about that one.

Here is a hint though: The messenger is constantly being shot at from both directions!!!

 

[ketostix]

That is NOT on topic, son. And no, not the same girl.

HB Ra is the female equivalent of sosuave. I'll let you think about that one.

Here is a hint though: The messenger is constantly being shot at from both directions!!!

Not on topic, what crack are you smoking? You mentioned your friend obstensibly as the impetus to this thread. Although I can't really tell because it's kind of encrypted and you're not getting to the point. I think I'm done with responding to the coocky women they come on here just to cause trouble.

 

[iqqi]

Not on topic, what crack are you smoking? You mentioned your friend obstensibly as the impetus to this thread. Although I can't really tell because it's kind of encrypted and you're not getting to the point. I think I'm done with responding to the coocky women they come on here just to cause trouble.

I was talking about the ghetto comment and the other thread being brought up. You didn't address any of the reasons she gave, or give any yourself.

Dammit, I was expecting so much more from you on this!

Expectations...

EDIT: Actually, I'm thinking my friend is SPOT ON.

Men don't know why they lie!

Phyzzle, isn't that what you were saying earlier?

Lol. Interesting. Maybe some introspection could be had.

 

[ketostix]

I was talking about the ghetto comment and the other thread being brought up. You didn't address any of the reasons she gave, or give any yourself.

Dammit, I was expecting so much more from you on this!

Expectations...

Perhaps you should have named this thread "Why do female friends lie about your man?". Am I getting warmer? To be honest, I'm tired of giving females on the forum at least good advice only to have it ignored or to be criticised. What does a guy get out of it, women's advice sucks and is useless anyway.

Edit: actually I do know why I do it, because I'm a good guy. Iqqi, to be honest I don't know your friends that well. Hell I don't know you very well, just enough to know I don't particularly like you. But from what I can gather they're probably both lying to you. And what matter's if someone is cognizant of their lies or not? Although I believe he is, most people. You and your girl are trying to think men are more like women than they are.

 

[Burrito Supreme]

What does a guy get out of it, women's advice sucks and is useless anyway.

No offense but with that type of thinking its no wonder why you are this message board.

 

[ketostix]

No offense but with that type of thinking its no wonder why you are this message board.

Because being on this message board is a shameful thing right? Virtually everyone here believes women's advice is useless. Troll

 

[iqqi]

Perhaps you should have named this thread "Why do female friends lie about your man?". Am I getting warmer? To be honest, I'm tired of giving females on the forum at least good advice only to have it ignored or to be criticised. What does a guy get out of it, women's advice sucks and is useless anyway.

Edit: actually I do know why I do it, because I'm a good guy. Iqqi, to be honest I don't know your friends that well. Hell I don't know you very well, just enough to know I don't particularly like you. But from what I can gather they're probably both lying to you. And what matter's if someone is cognizant of their lies or not? Although I believe he is, most people. You and your girl are trying to think men are more like women than they are.

Well Keto, even tho your response really sucks, I will go ahead and let you know that the thread was started at like 9am, the conversation with the friend was around 11PM. So that has nothing to do with it, it was just her two cents on the subject.

I highlighted the most interesting part of your reply, I hope noone else responds to what else you said, as it is just basically the usual insults. Which up until now the thread was nicely lacking. good job, troll.

 

[Burrito Supreme]

Because being on this message board is a shameful thing right? Virtually everyone here believes women's advice is useless. Troll

Theres no shame in needing a helping hand, thus coming to this board for advice, but keeping that mentality that you have towards women will not help improve yourself.

 

[iqqi]

BS, please don't feed the troll. Honestly, this thread is important to me, don't want Keto to succeed into turning it into a flame thread.


Edit: Thanks! (to response below)

 

[Burrito Supreme]

BS, please don't feed the troll. Honestly, this thread is important to me, don't want Keto to succeed into turning it into a flame thread.

My apologies.

Unless I can contribute something to your original question/statement, then I will humbly step aside.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Unless I can contribute something to your original question/statement, then I will humbly step aside.

Shouldn't one of us be saying that to YOU?

You beat us to the punch.

Jerk.

 

[iqqi]

You can't discuss why men lie without pointing out that women lie too. You are limiting the discussion this way.

And personally, women lie far more often than men.

In the quote that you just used, I did point that out. I said "I am well aware that all people lie, but I want to discuss why MEN lie".

If you don't happen to think there is any difference that's cool.

But this, as TM already said on page 2 or 3, is not about women. Its about men. I am asking men, why they lie. Have gotten some darned good replies thus far actually.