Why does everyone say looks don't matter? they do!

[MysteryWoman]

You guys are missing a big factor here, which I don't think anyone has mentioned why we see so many hot girls with not the greatest looking guys in the world.

Good looking women dramatically out number, good looking men (well they do in England). A high percentage of good looking men are gay. So it gets very hard for a lot of women to get a good looking guy.

70 percent of women actually choose their partner by sending out the buying signals to men, so often it was the good looking woman who chose to settle for the ugly guy out insecruity or desperation to settle down. Even some ugly guys I have met who date hot women do not come across as confident and having any amazing social skills.

Most hot women who date ugly and even average looking guys usually look miserable. If he is ugly it is defiantely not can't keep my hands off him. Good looking women usually appear to me to be the most happiest is when they are on the arm of an equally good looking guy, and even then there are some that still look unhappy.

Funny despite how much men go on about looks, when I see a handsome man with an average looking girl or occasionally slightly below average, he appears to be much more happier and affectionate, than it comes to women being the other way round.

The hot women who are gold diggers and end up with ugly guys are often cheating with gigglos behind their back.

 

[vdk]

Good looking women dramatically out number, good looking men

I would have to disagree. Women use makeup, high heels, plastic surgery, revealing clothes, and generally are more stylish than men to 'bump' up their overall looks rating.

Most 'average' guys have potential. A 'GQ' makeover or losing weight will do wonders in attracting more women.

What Im saying is a truely beautiful woman is as hard to find as an attractive man.

 

[Juan_Man]

Originally posted by vdk
I would have to disagree. Women use makeup, high heels, plastic surgery, revealing clothes, and generally are more stylish than men to 'bump' up their overall looks rating.

Most 'average' guys have potential. A 'GQ' makeover or losing weight will do wonders in attracting more women.

What Im saying is a truely beautiful woman is as hard to find as an attractive man.

I would have to agree with this. A woman can go from bad to alright depending on what type of makeup or revealing clothing she has on. Most guys don't have this luxury. But I do think that women like contrast in a guy. I'm entering my senior year of college but some people still think that I'm in high school. But I also have a really deep voice and that throws some women off. I think that if you have other qualities that go against how people stereotypically view you (based on looks), then it can do wonders on your whole appearance as much as makeup does to a girl's face.

Also, becker, you mentioned that some guys don't look so bad if you look up close, I completely agree with you on that one. You mentioned Howard Stern, that guy who plays George Costanza on Seinfeld is another example. But I think that kind of logic can apply to almost any guy. We all have good and bad qualities. I have a weak jaw line and a very young face but I also have nice eyes, small ears, and a decent-sized nose and lips. I've also seen so-called goodlooking guys like Justin Timberlake, Brad Pitt, Will Smith, Usher, Eminem and others not look their best. Every guy has good and bad features, but if we have develop a stronger personality, most women will focus on our positive features. We've all been attracted to girls that weren't all that before. I still find Ricki Lake attractive (I sh!t you not). There has to be something other than a universal standard of beauty coming into play.

 

[becker]

Originally posted by Juan_Man

Also, becker, you mentioned that some guys don't look so bad if you look up close, I completely agree with you on that one. You mentioned Howard Stern, that guy who plays George Costanza on Seinfeld is another example. But I think that kind of logic can apply to almost any guy. We all have good and bad qualities. I have a weak jaw line and a very young face but I also have nice eyes, small ears, and a decent-sized nose and lips. I've also seen so-called goodlooking guys like Justin Timberlake, Brad Pitt, Will Smith, Usher, Eminem and others not look their best. Every guy has good and bad features, but if we have develop a stronger personality, most women will focus on our positive features. We've all been attracted to girls that weren't all that before. I still find Ricki Lake attractive (I sh!t you not). There has to be something other than a universal standard of beauty coming into play.

Juan_Man, great examples, and I'm glad someone here sees it the same way. Jason Alexander (George on Seinfeld) is definitely someone I think looks better than he would initially look, and it almost seems like things work in reverse for these guys. He's sort of this overweight, balding guy, whose personality (at least on the show) would give him a second chance with some women and they'd look at him again and see that he's not so bad. It's the second look that is key for him, and instead of getting his foot in the door with his looks, he's a guy who has had the door closed on him already but managed to pry it open so to speak.

Ricki Lake is one of those women who is fat but with potential (see my thread below "Fat girls with potential"). Her facial features are actually nice, but hidden behind a plumpness, which, if she gets rid of, she'd be pretty hot.

A girl I never thought was that good looking (and still don't) is that model Frederique Van der Waal (she goes by Frederique). Her face is a little jacked, but a lot of makeup makes her decent, but still not good enough to me to be a supermodel. The only thing that is ok about her is her natural breasts. That's it, and to me, that's not enough for me to go after a girl.

I find Justin Timberlake pretty annoying, and that's probably why I always saw him as not very good looking. What I thought about him sort of shadowed his physical appearance, so I overlooked it a lot. I look at him without the annoying factor, and he's not so bad. I can see, however, that if a girl didn't like the way he acts (all gangsta white boy like) then they probably won't be too attracted to him, even though you can probably get them to admit that he's not bad looking physically.

Then there are some supermodels (emphasize "some") who would be hot no matter who you asked. Heidi Klum, Cindy Crawford are two that come to mind. Personally, however, Jessica Alba is the epitome of perfection physically. I give her a 10+ in looks, and she's probably one of the only girls I'd give that to. Don't know what her personality is like, but likely a little stuck up because she's probably had guys throw themselves at her feet since she was 6 years old.

Bottom line here is that although it's almost impossible to separate personality from physical looks in evaluating a person, a person may be physically good looking but you might not be attracted to them. The only thing this shows is that you're not attracted to them, and not that they're not good looking. Then there's the other side of the coin where a person is just physically unattractive, but with a good personality. Sorry, but in this case, if some girl had a foot growing out of her head (see Saturday Night Live) and was super sweet and kind, I'm not going to find myself falling for her. That's the sad truth folks, don't kill the messenger.