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That's not true. I had a much better looking friend than me who was also 6'2 but was a quintessential nice guy. How many times I heard how good looking girls thought he was only to be let down by his niceness. I have never had a girl tell me I was a nice guy, because I'm not. I'm extremely bitter and jaded and the girls seem to love it. I think they think I'm joking when in reality I'm not.Mike32ct said:Has nothing to do with nice or not. It's 95 percent looks. It just so happens that less attractive guys are often nicer to compensate.
Plus women don't want to sound as shallow as they are, so they tell the less attractive guy that he is too nice lol.
I see what you are saying, but maybe your friend wasn't aggressive enough. In other words, he clearly had women attracted to him, but he didn't "pull the trigger" and ask them out or try to F them (soon enough). Looks are great, but women will still give up on you if you don't make a move in a reasonable amount of time.:-) said:That's not true. I had a much better looking friend than me who was also 6'2 but was a quintessential nice guy. How many times I heard how good looking girls thought he was only to be let down by his niceness. I have never had a girl tell me I was a nice guy, because I'm not. I'm extremely bitter and jaded and the girls seem to love it. I think they think I'm joking when in reality I'm not.
Yeah no doubt. He might not be hot enough for women to approach him, but he might have enough looks to get by if he actually made a move and approached.Alvafe said:thing is nice guys normally lack initiative and don't like to risk a rejection, so he is there, being "nice", but most of time he is just afraid
If they are manipulative and disingenuous, then by definition they are NOT nice. Although you are right that those people fit the supposed "nice guy" personality that PUAs came up with.:-) said:Because it's manipulative and disingenuous. Like salespeople or High street charity chuggers their niceness doesn't fool anybody.
Another problem with passive men is that they tend to get too clingy, too fast, too desperate, and too emotional. Women generally take longer to develop "feelings" than men because they usually have more options. It's a big turn off to them if the guy gets attached too quickly because it makes him look undesirable, like he doesn't have any options.Mike32ct said:I see what you are saying, but maybe your friend wasn't aggressive enough. In other words, he clearly had women attracted to him, but he didn't "pull the trigger" and ask them out or try to F them (soon enough). Looks are great, but women will still give up on you if you don't make a move in a reasonable amount of time.
I just don't think being nice was his biggest problem. I don't know the guy, but I would guess he wasn't forward enough.
But if they give up on you just because you didn't make a move, doesn't this mean that they will be happy when you finally make a move after they have given up? I mean, if you want to buy a car, for example, that you thought was affordable but you find out that it's too expensive. Maybe you give up on this car, yes, but what if, one month later, this car suddenly is affordable? Wouldn't you just be happy and finally buy it?Mike32ct said:I see what you are saying, but maybe your friend wasn't aggressive enough. In other words, he clearly had women attracted to him, but he didn't "pull the trigger" and ask them out or try to F them (soon enough). Looks are great, but women will still give up on you if you don't make a move in a reasonable amount of time.
DiegoSantori said:But if they give up on you just because you didn't make a move, doesn't this mean that they will be happy when you finally make a move after they have given up? I mean, if you want to buy a car, for example, that you thought was affordable but you find out that it's too expensive. Maybe you give up on this car, yes, but what if, one month later, this car suddenly is affordable? Wouldn't you just be happy and finally buy it?
Provided that the only thing you have is your looks lol.Mike32ct said:The answer to the car analogy is yes.
But women don't really work that way. Friend zone is generally irreversible. If you make her wait too long (without you making a move), she will lose respect and a lot of attraction for you. Then if you make a late move on her, at BEST, she might reluctantly go on the date with you, but it will never be the same. Her interest level will be lukewarm at BEST.
You really do have to "strike when the iron's hot."
Exactly.... Tall Pretty boys/real good kicking guys rarely ever get labeled as nice guys, they're just hot and desirable...Mike32ct said:Has nothing to do with nice or not. It's 95 percent looks. It just so happens that less attractive guys are often nicer to compensate.
Plus women don't want to sound as shallow as they are, so they tell the less attractive guy that he is too nice lol.
This mentality will have women leaving you faster than ever lol. Been there/done that. Not every women is the same, the ones this works on aare typically needy insecure girls that bring drama. Still smashable thoMauser96 said:When you get the attitude "Nope, not going to do that/tolerate that. I guess I am not the guy for you. It is better we part ways." she hears "Holy fvck. He is willing to drop me that quick? He won't tolerate my drama and manipulaton? He must be able to get women easily, whenever he wants. I better hang onto this one, he is a hot commodity"