Why do you want a traditional lifestyle?

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Dude you are so WISE for your age. I mean damn, I wish I had all of this understanding of the world at 17 - 18. You have potential to do BIG THINGS.

Hey thanks man. I had to wake up at an early age and realize that I was fvcking up majorly because something wasn't right. Been trying to improve for a long time.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

You can go MGTOW, or Alpha or whatever you want to label it and still build lasting relationships with decent women. Keep your expectations low, enjoy your time with them, have fun keep it fresh and let the moment unroll. When you have kids it becomes a bit tricky

 

[Trainwreck]

If you are on this website, you are adapting. But the fact that people all over the place are complaining, even after realizing their mistakes and fixing them, they will notice something 'off' about women.

I understand your horse analogy, but it isn't accurate to describe this situation. What is the horse's purpose? To do what you want it to do; to SERVE you. That's the reason for its existence. Now what about women? History will tell you that a woman's purpose is to serve men as well. For thousands of years, women have served men. Now tell me, why is it that in the last 60 years it has changed so much to the point where most western women have a mental illness? For thousands of years, women have been a certain way, and haven't swayed from that path. For thousands of years women were only fvcking one single man because they could only love one man (why else are virgins so clingy?). Yet SUDDENLY it's all changed. It's because women no longer have a purpose anymore and are not in tune with their feminine nature. They are no longer NATURAL anymore. This happened because of society, not because of a shift or change in people due to evolution. It isn't something that we can just 'adapt' to immediately because it is NOT NATURAL. There is no real 'adapting'. You can embrace you inner masculinity and feral instincts to reignite her natural feminine core. But some women are so broken and so lost that they have a dysfunctional state of being.

There's a country called Isis that practices this way of life. Otherwise, if you have an ounce of rationality, you need to wake up and realize you were scammed by the manosphere. All they do is spew lies, propaganda, and falsely romanticize the past to tap in your reactionary insecure mind. Please wake up because the fact that people in this country still think like this scares the hell out of me,

 

[Urbanyst]

If you are on this website, you are adapting. But the fact that people all over the place are complaining, even after realizing their mistakes and fixing them, they will notice something 'off' about women.

I understand your horse analogy, but it isn't accurate to describe this situation. What is the horse's purpose? To do what you want it to do; to SERVE you. That's the reason for its existence. Now what about women? History will tell you that a woman's purpose is to serve men as well. For thousands of years, women have served men. Now tell me, why is it that in the last 60 years it has changed so much to the point where most western women have a mental illness? For thousands of years, women have been a certain way, and haven't swayed from that path. For thousands of years women were only fvcking one single man because they could only love one man (why else are virgins so clingy?). Yet SUDDENLY it's all changed. It's because women no longer have a purpose anymore and are not in tune with their feminine nature. They are no longer NATURAL anymore. This happened because of society, not because of a shift or change in people due to evolution. It isn't something that we can just 'adapt' to immediately because it is NOT NATURAL. There is no real 'adapting'. You can embrace you inner masculinity and feral instincts to reignite her natural feminine core. But some women are so broken and so lost that they have a dysfunctional state of being.

Its hard to really say what is natural. You can say cars, computers, toilets and clothing are all unnatural. Pretty much everything about modern life is unnatural.

Then you can also say.. if something is created by a living thing.. it is natural. Like a bee hive or a skyscraper.

Either way, I see what you are saying. The change in social and sexual dynamics between men and women changed too rapidly for most people to feel comfortable with it. The male and female are supposed to be a team rather than rivals. Not needing each other to survive and reproduce to the same degree as in the past is probably the main cause for the social change.

Not sure what can be done about it. We have to find a way to thrive regardless. That's all you can do. Its the rule of nature. Adapt or die.

Bro here's my question to you (which can help me out on my side).

Have you fully gone to the other side? That is, FULLY gone Red Pill and operating under said understanding, without any DESIRE to do any traditional relationship, create kids, etc.?

If so, can you explain in full how did you do it? Because this takes us to a deeper conversation on this board, which I don't think the Manosphere does a good job of addressing. The Manosphere will tell you the nature of women, show you how the market of women is horrible, and show you how to date/fvck these bytches.

What the Manosphere doesn't tell you is what do you do.....if you want MORE than just sex and companionship from this horrible market of women? What do you do, if you desire MORE, which includes a deep, serious, relationship? How do you get this within this market?? And if you can't get it, then HOW do you eliminate the desire to have it??

I can't say I'm 100% red pill. There is definitely a part of me that wants a consistent partner I can trust to honor me, respect me and commit to me. I also understand its unlikely I will ever find that in today's world.

I have already kind of answered what the solution is with all my talking about value and money. At least for me.. that is the solution I have found. Money has consistent and reliable value. So as long as you have money, people will always be available to you in different ways and women will want to date you. Add the knowledge of the red pill and DJ approach to life and you're pretty unstoppable.

You adapt by finding security in your own value instead of looking for it in women. Value is security in itself, because it keeps people in your life. Especially when you offer other good traits. That's my solution. Make as much money as you can.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

There's a country called Isis that practices this way of life. Otherwise, if you have an ounce of rationality, you need to wake up and realize you were scammed by the manosphere. All they do is spew lies, propaganda, and falsely romanticize the past to tap in your reactionary insecure mind. Please wake up because the fact that people in this country still think like this scares the hell out of me,

ISIS isn't a country, and don't derail this thread turning it political.

This county WAS like this several decades ago. That's why there were BABY BOOMERS. Because life was so flipping good that people wanted to have a fvck ton of kids. You denying the existence of your grandparents and their parents is absolutely crazy. They are living proof of a time that used to have sweeter and more submissive women. It was just the culture back then that made them as such. Anyone with an ounce of education in their lives should remember being taught this in elementary school. That was the closest the US got to actually being a utopian society, although some say it was a very bland era as well.

Its hard to really say what is natural. You can say cars, computers, toilets and clothing are all unnatural. Pretty much everything about modern life is unnatural.

Then you can also say.. if something is created by a living thing.. it is natural. Like a bee hive or a skyscraper.

Either way, I see what you are saying. The change in social and sexual dynamics between men and women changed too rapidly for most people to feel comfortable with it. The male and female are supposed to be a team rather than rivals. Not needing each other to survive and reproduce to the same degree as in the past is probably the main cause for the social change.

Not sure what can be done about it. We have to find a way to thrive regardless. That's all you can do. Its the rule of nature. Adapt or die.

True stuff.

 

[Trainwreck]

ISIS isn't a country, and don't derail this thread turning it political.

This county WAS like this several decades ago. That's why there were BABY BOOMERS. Because life was so flipping good that people wanted to have a fvck ton of kids. You denying the existence of your grandparents and their parents is absolutely crazy. They are living proof of a time that used to have sweeter and more submissive women. It was just the culture back then that made them as such. Anyone with an ounce of education in their lives should remember being taught this in elementary school. That was the closest the US got to actually being a utopian society, although some say it was a very bland era as well.

True stuff.

omg this is ******** sad

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

omg this is ******** sad

Then explain to me why it is. Unless you can't, which is more likely the case or else you would have.

 

[Young OG]

I've lived the traditional lifestyle for a little while. I found out that I don't like it and it's not for me.

I love my weekends. I'm off from work and my kid is with the ex. I can party late, sleep in, go on dates, etc. If I want I could lay in my bed all weekend, binge watch a show, and smoke weed. You know why? Cause I can! I don't have some woman living under the same roof nagging and annoying me. I would never give up my freedom for that foolish traditional lifestyle.

 

[Tenacity]

I've lived the traditional lifestyle for a little while. I found out that I don't like it and it's not for me.

I love my weekends. I'm off from work and my kid is with the ex. I can party late, sleep in, go on dates, etc. If I want I could lay in my bed all weekend, binge watch a show, and smoke weed. You know why? Cause I can! I don't have some woman living under the same roof nagging and annoying me. I would never give up my freedom for that foolish traditional lifestyle.

But my question is this.....do these GREAT relationships exist where the women are actually a boost to the man's life rather than being a drain?

I keep hearing about these great fvcking relationships, where the chick is actually supportive, loving, loyal, and isn't a pain in the a.ss but rather an actual HELP-MEET to the man. She actually brings more value to the table than just sex and companionship, she really (damn near) "completes him".

Are these relationships real? Or am I just being fooled? If they are real, how do I get this? If they aren't real, how do I get to the point where I can accept they aren't real and just accept women for who they are, which is mainly a PAIN in the a.ss in exchange for a piece of ran through pvssy and some companionship.

 

[Young OG]

But my question is this.....do these GREAT relationships exist where the women are actually a boost to the man's life rather than being a drain?

I keep hearing about these great fvcking relationships, where the chick is actually supportive, loving, loyal, and isn't a pain in the a.ss but rather an actual HELP-MEET to the man. She actually brings more value to the table than just sex and companionship, she really (damn near) "completes him".

Are these relationships real? Or am I just being fooled? If they are real, how do I get this? If they aren't real, how do I get to the point where I can accept they aren't real and just accept women for who they are, which is mainly a PAIN in the a.ss in exchange for a piece of ran through pvssy and some companionship.

I think those relationships exist, but it's rare. Some of them aren't what they seem behind closed doors. You are being fooled.

It depends on the kind of person you are. I honestly like some alone time. I don't want a woman living under my roof 24/7. Some guys want a woman around them all the time, they want to be a team, take on life together. But, that's not something I want. I'm fine with dating women here and there.

I think you should accept the way women are and forget about the traditional lifestyle. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. It's really not worth the hype.

 

[ThisNThat]

Speaking for me personally.....I battle with this everyday.

- My head tells me using logic, to spin plates only and not worry about the traditional lifestyle.

- Then there's another part of me that won't let the idea of the traditional lifestyle "die".

Do you have these same battles or is everything within you pretty straight-forward in terms of opting out of the traditional lifestyle?

Wow...this has been a thought of mine in the past few weeks.

I think some men, who WANTED that white picket fence, kids, etc. I desired that when I was in my mid-20s. I was in college, but getting ready to graduate.

SO many people, who met in college, got engaged...and...of course, married after they got their degrees. I would see tons of engagement rings or new wedding bands on min in their early 20s. (22/23). A lot of new marriages among the graduates.

Like musical chairs, I was the one left out apparently. Just didn't meet "the one" to marry. I think I was fawning over a female friend where I wanted more from her, (a few men were actually) but when she graduated, wound up moving in with her boyfriend and that was that.

I think men who wanted this traditional sitaution. The "nuclear" family as you would call it...are now kind of transitioning out of it as they get older. I started feeling this way approaching my mid to late 30s and now I'm almost in the finality of..., if I even get into a relationship...expect it to have a lifespan of a few years before SHE dumps me.

I say that, because most women tend to do the dumping moreso than men (same with divorcing). So it starts to get into the "I'll get what I can take...which is temporariy companionship.

Something CLOSE to marriage, but...not quite. There will even come times that if you're not having luck with women, and there's one woman that is willing to do the FWB, you're like, "Screw it...I'll go for it, better than nothing at all...with the way my luck's been going."

Plus, I am hearing more and more attitudes of modern day women not really needing men and the fact that you have to pull teeth to even get a lunch meat is trying.

Esp. the one recent liberal woman who was touted to seeing marriage as antiquated. That she actually prefers the freedom....but...temporary companionship is "nice once in a while."

I am still ,quite suprised that I keep seeing Millineal aged people getting married.

My friend, in his early 40s, divorced...tried flirting with an early 20s woman at one time. She said, "Sorry, I'm married" and was only married a year.

My own father, who was married 44 years, even told me I'm better off not getting married THESE days. Operative words "THESE DAYS". Even though I grew up in a nuclear family, he is even aware of the horrors of dating. Both my parents have friends that went through hellish divorces.

So when you have your own old-school father telling you this, something's up.

 

[ThisNThat]

It depends on the kind of person you are. I honestly like some alone time. I don't want a woman living under my roof 24/7. Some guys want a woman around them all the time, they want to be a team, take on life together. But, that's not something I want. I'm fine with dating women here and there.

Where I live, and chances are it's because it's rural suburbia...most married couples are pretty much attached at the hip. I recall at work where this woman who was married about 5 years. Asked what I did this weekend....apparently, they like living through me since i'm single ...maybe? LOL

I would tell them the pool parties and BBQ's I went to, concerts, etc.

When I ask her , she's like 'Me and Bill just did housework, I washed clothes, on Sunday the kids were over at grandmas so we watched netflix together."

It's all about the domestics with them, and...apparently they are happy doing their 40 hours at work. I when they do go out to do something, it' together most of the time. Be it a flea market or shopping around. They even go camping, but again....together.

I recall one woman who moved to the area...dated this guy for a year, he was native to the area, small towns...and she said she had said to him.."I'd like to make some friends in the area."

And his answer, NO joke...."You don't need friends, you have me."

That's what you get for dating a redneck boyfriend. lol

 

[mrgoodstuff]

But my question is this.....do these GREAT relationships exist where the women are actually a boost to the man's life rather than being a drain?

I keep hearing about these great fvcking relationships, where the chick is actually supportive, loving, loyal, and isn't a pain in the a.ss but rather an actual HELP-MEET to the man. She actually brings more value to the table than just sex and companionship, she really (damn near) "completes him".

Are these relationships real? Or am I just being fooled? If they are real, how do I get this? If they aren't real, how do I get to the point where I can accept they aren't real and just accept women for who they are, which is mainly a PAIN in the a.ss in exchange for a piece of ran through pvssy and some companionship.

I've had a couple of these relationships and fvcked it up trying to be a "player". It is better. Some women are more loyal than most men.

 

[JohnChops]

Seems like the decline of the traditional family unit and traditional gender roles causes a lot of frustration for guys who want to live more like their parents or grandparents did.

But why exactly to you guys want to get married, buy a house and live a boring mediocre life with kids and a dog? Is this a lifestyle you just naturally crave or did you just see it on TV or see your parents do it and decide you should copy them?

I really enjoy the bachelor lifestyle in the city and I can't see myself ever moving into a house, doing yard work and fixing the roof. Its just not for me. I'm happy to be in a condo or apartment in a downtown city well into old age.

In some ways, city life is more simple because you have less obligations. No grass to cut, no snow to shovel, no car to maintain, no mortgage to pay, etc. When I leave work each day the city is my playground. I can try some new food, see some local live music, pick up some hot girls, meet up with bros, check out the newest bar, visit some tourist stuff or I can relax at home in my rat hole and watch TV or post on SoSuave.

I don't really see the appeal of the traditional lifestyle these days. What do you need it for?

I don't see me having a traditional family setting. With my carrerr path, considering ill be in school near my 30s and on, I'll be focused on that versus starting a family. I know one doctor who has married, no kids, and him and his wife travel to exotic places. He gets to live his life and his wife does her thing. That would be the most ideal situation for me. However, that could change.

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! do you think the reason western women don't do those things anymore is because they simply do not respect the men they are with, and they resent being with a "provider" male. I feel like going into a relationship with you being in control of the frame (later sharing frame) is a good indicator of how the relationship will turn out. If you go in with your frame in tact, bringing her into your reality, you will not have any problems as she will come to do those things for you, as she repsects you. However, if you get into a relationship with the mindset most men do "She is the one, I'll do anything for her" then you already lost, she will not respect you, and in her mind you will not be deserving of such luxuries.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I don't see me having a traditional family setting. With my carrerr path, considering ill be in school near my 30s and on, I'll be focused on that versus starting a family. I know one doctor who has married, no kids, and him and his wife travel to exotic places. He gets to live his life and his wife does her thing. That would be the most ideal situation for me. However, that could change.

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! do you think the reason western women don't do those things anymore is because they simply do not respect the men they are with, and they resent being with a "provider" male. I feel like going into a relationship with you being in control of the frame (later sharing frame) is a good indicator of how the relationship will turn out. If you go in with your frame in tact, bringing her into your reality, you will not have any problems as she will come to do those things for you, as she repsects you. However, if you get into a relationship with the mindset most men do "She is the one, I'll do anything for her" then you already lost, she will not respect you, and in her mind you will not be deserving of such luxuries.

The whole thing about having pvssy in the house is that it can offload some of your typical tasks and chores and share the load. Additionally she can also have a good job and help pay bills. It will bolster your career goals knowing you have built-in support.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! do you think the reason western women don't do those things anymore is because they simply do not respect the men they are with, and they resent being with a "provider" male. I feel like going into a relationship with you being in control of the frame (later sharing frame) is a good indicator of how the relationship will turn out. If you go in with your frame in tact, bringing her into your reality, you will not have any problems as she will come to do those things for you, as she repsects you. However, if you get into a relationship with the mindset most men do "She is the one, I'll do anything for her" then you already lost, she will not respect you, and in her mind you will not be deserving of such luxuries.

Of course. Women are at the whim of their emotions, and their emotions can only be bounded by something stronger than itself. That's the whole point of FRAME. Before, women were like this because of society bounding them. Now, it's just you against society, which is forcing these boundaries open and encouraging women to force your boundaries open too. Can't relax for a second.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Of course. Women are at the whim of their emotions, and their emotions can only be bounded by something stronger than itself. That's the whole point of FRAME. Before, women were like this because of society bounding them. Now, it's just you against society, which is forcing these boundaries open and encouraging women to force your boundaries open too. Can't relax for a second.

So basically we cannot ever really fully open up to them...

 

[Desdinova]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to get married. But there IS something wrong with the women of our current society.

100% correct. The primary goal of keeping a woman should be to make your life easier, not to have a piece of eye candy on your arm that you get to fvck once in a while. Today's women will bytch that they shouldn't have to be slaves to men. What they've forgotten is they get things in return.... They get a roof over their head, a man who makes the decisions they can't make, security, sex, companionship, and they one or more kids so they can quit worrying about that biological clock's alarm going off. THIS is the trade-off for making the man's life easier. Women cannot just take, take, take in the relationship without giving something back. If they want a nice life with kids, they need to help make the man's life and workload easier and less stressful.

Men today don't understand that. They simply agree that women shouldn't be slaves and hope to get some sex every once in a while in return for putting a ring on her finger. The man needs benefits in the relationship too. She needs to make his life better while he satisfies her biological and subconscious needs.

Until women start making men's lives easier, their only use is to be a disposable cvm dumpster.

 

[Urbanyst]

But my question is this.....do these GREAT relationships exist where the women are actually a boost to the man's life rather than being a drain?

I keep hearing about these great fvcking relationships, where the chick is actually supportive, loving, loyal, and isn't a pain in the a.ss but rather an actual HELP-MEET to the man. She actually brings more value to the table than just sex and companionship, she really (damn near) "completes him".

Are these relationships real? Or am I just being fooled? If they are real, how do I get this? If they aren't real, how do I get to the point where I can accept they aren't real and just accept women for who they are, which is mainly a PAIN in the a.ss in exchange for a piece of ran through pvssy and some companionship.

They exist, but not with any girl that's really hot.

If you only want to date really hot girls like most of us then just forget about finding that kind of relationship.

 

[JohnChops]

Of course. Women are at the whim of their emotions, and their emotions can only be bounded by something stronger than itself. That's the whole point of FRAME. Before, women were like this because of society bounding them. Now, it's just you against society, which is forcing these boundaries open and encouraging women to force your boundaries open too. Can't relax for a second.

Agrees. Just when you relax is when she starts demanding things or drifting away. The game never stops.