Why do women think straight guys would just want to be friends?

[teddy]

Is it evolutionary?

I see it over and over. Women genuinely think some straight guy who hangs around them is doing it purely because he enjoys their friendship. Do they subconsciously know that they are stringing him along (and the guy is letting himself be strung along), but rationalize it that they enjoy each other's platonic company? Is this really what beta-orbiters are all about?

Obviously, there's a difference if a guy is drowning in *****, so the effort to get the girl isn't worth it versus having her company/social proof. But most guys aren't.

I've also heard some girls rationalize this as they want the guy to "prove his worth" to them. To which I reply: what makes YOU so special versus another girl he could replace you with in the next twenty seconds?

It just baffles me. Usually if a guy is "friends" with a woman, he is attracted to her and wants her at some level. And females completely ignore that last part and think he's willingly just wanting to be friends.

A lot of these are hot/high-value females.

 

[El Suave]

Yes, they know they are stringing them along. ALL of them. They like attention and a sense of power. Moreover, it gives them options

That's all it is.

 

[teddy]

Yes, they know they are stringing them along. ALL of them. They like attention and a sense of power. Moreover, it gives them options

That's all it is.

I actually pointed out to a few female acquaintances that they're stringing a dude along. They deny it vehemently of course, even when it's so blatantly obvious.

For instance, some broad in a LDR kept asking some dude to movies/drinks/dinner on Friday and Saturday nights. They guy would never get any, of course, but the girl's loneliness is assuaged. But these are Friday and Saturday nights! I'm like...you must really think low of him if you don't think he's out with his friends or on a date with a single girl on these nights.

 

[PlayHer Man]

The first thing to understand is women generally don't give a sh!t about what men want. Especially these days. Women are opportunists and if a guy is willing to give her attention, friendship, companionship, etc. she will take it. She might know deep down the guy is attracted.. she just don't give a sh!t. As long as her needs are getting met, all is good.

Problems come up once the guy starts expecting more. SOME women (usually younger ones) really are naive enough to believe men actually want to be friends with them. These are types who project their own values onto men.. then they are shocked that the man doesn't think like them. :crazy:

Its just like when a slutty woman gives you sex easily you're not worrying what she REALLY wants from you. You're getting laid easily and all is good. Problems come up when she starts expecting dinner dates, movie dates and exclusive commitment. You'll be like WTF.. I thought everything was good!

Attention is to women what sex is to men.

 

[teddy]

The first thing to understand is women generally don't give a sh!t about what men want. Especially these days. Women are opportunists and if a guy is willing to give her attention, friendship, companionship, etc. she will take it. She might know deep down the guy is attracted.. she just don't give a sh!t. As long as her needs are getting met, all is good.

Problems come up once the guy starts expecting more. SOME women (usually younger ones) really are naive enough to believe men actually want to be friends with them. These are types who project their own values onto men.. then they are shocked that the man doesn't think like them. :crazy:

Its just like when a slutty woman gives you sex easily you're not worrying what she REALLY wants from you. You're getting laid easily and all is good. Problems come up when she starts expecting dinner dates, movie dates and exclusive commitment. You'll be like WTF.. I thought everything was good!

Attention is to women what sex is to men.

Woah, that actually makes a whole lot of sense. So basically if a guy gives a woman dinner dates, movie dates, drinks, etc. without getting sex in return, the woman doesn't see a problem.

It's still bizarre that I see 25-27 year old women act like this.

There was this 25 yo woman I talked to that told me that one of these guy friends expressed some interest in her. Her response to him? That she couldn't understand why he couldn't be like her other many guy friends because there was never a problem with having them with friends.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Woah, that actually makes a whole lot of sense. So basically if a guy gives a woman dinner dates, movie dates, drinks, etc. without getting sex in return, the woman doesn't see a problem.

It's still bizarre that I see 25-27 year old women act like this.

There was this 25 yo woman I talked to that told me that one of these guy friends expressed some interest in her. Her response to him? That she couldn't understand why he couldn't be like her other many guy friends because there was never a problem with having them with friends.

This is code for: She couldn't understand why he couldn't just do things on HER TERMS and not worry about his own needs like all the other beta faggots. :crackup:

Once a woman sees you as a beta faggot.. she will expect you to act like a beta faggot --> Submit to her and not demand anything.

If a slutty woman gives you sex without you having to do anything.. you'll take it. You'll also assume she gives it easy to EVERYONE so you won't see her value. You'll just pound her while its easy and drop her if any problems come up. This is how low value people get treated. This is how beta faggots get treated.

Always care LESS about the relationship than the woman and refuse to deal with women who care less than you. Its the only way.

 

[Bible_Belt]

There was a recent piece of research that found proof of what you're talking about. Most guy friends of women want to fvck them, but the women claim, at least when surveyed, to have no idea.

By contrast, most female friends of guys do not want to fvck them, but their guy friends think they do.

 

[teddy]

This is code for: She couldn't understand why he couldn't just do things on HER TERMS and not worry about his own needs like all the other beta faggots. :crackup:

Once a woman sees you as a beta faggot.. she will expect you to act like a beta faggot --> Submit to her and not demand anything.

If a slutty woman gives you sex without you having to do anything.. you'll take it. You'll also assume she gives it easy to EVERYONE so you won't see her value. You'll just pound her while its easy and drop her if any problems come up. This is how low value people get treated. This is how beta faggots get treated.

Always care LESS about the relationship than the woman and refuse to deal with women who care less than you. Its the only way.

I assume you mean sexually. Supposedly a woman could care a lot about you "as a friend", of which you have no interest.

 

[Wingedsig]

All it means.

Is she was likely initially interested and you were successful in attracting and building comfort, but not timely in escalating and closing. Once she sees you as one of her asexual friends/aquaintences and allots you in the same category as one of her female friends you are screwed. And not in the good way. I recently have run into this as well. She too was younger, and completely baffled as to why I reacted militantly and not immediately submit to her offer of "friendship". Because I see it for what it is a false olive branch and soft rejection preserving their own ego allowing them to not feel like a bi$% for leading you on in reality they know that's what they did. Their translation is I would like you to very much be my life raft when the alpha I am currently riding goes south. I would like your shoulder to cry on. Nope.Sorry. Won't do it. Don't care how hot you are. Been there done that. Not going to be the dude you complain to about the new dude you are banging sorry. Younger females just don't have the life experience to see that for a guy this is akin to a rejection.Her exact words were "I don't understand why men and women can't just be friends." My response was go look in the mirror that's why I can't be just your friend. AFC response, I should not have further assuaged her ego, I know, but it really is hilarious sometimes how naive they can be about this topic. Someone said once the man doesn't want to buy a cow if he gets the milk for free. (why commit when you are getting a$$.) Well a woman thinks the same way. Why should they give the milk when they are getting the cow for free.(All your attentions/affections as a pseudo bf.) My advice, go ghost. Go casper on her a$$. That is what I am currently doing but in reality Teddy look at it as a lost cause. Go get another chick, redeem your social proof and sexual market value, and she may reconsider, but likely she already categorized you. It happened to me as well, so I feel ya.

 

[teddy]

Is she was likely initially interested and you were successful in attracting and building comfort, but not timely in escalating and closing. Once she sees you as one of her asexual friends/aquaintences and allots you in the same category as one of her female friends you are screwed. And not in the good way. I recently have run into this as well. She too was younger, and completely baffled as to why I reacted militantly and not immediately submit to her offer of "friendship". Because I see it for what it is a false olive branch and soft rejection preserving their own ego allowing them to not feel like a bi$% for leading you on in reality they know that's what they did. Their translation is I would like you to very much be my life raft when the alpha I am currently riding goes south. I would like your shoulder to cry on. Nope.Sorry. Won't do it. Don't care how hot you are. Been there done that. Not going to be the dude you complain to about the new dude you are banging sorry. Younger females just don't have the life experience to see that for a guy this is akin to a rejection.Her exact words were "I don't understand why men and women can't just be friends." My response was go look in the mirror that's why I can't be just your friend. AFC response, I should not have further assuaged her ego, I know, but it really is hilarious sometimes how naive they can be about this topic. Someone said once the man doesn't want to buy a cow if he gets the milk for free. (why commit when you are getting a$$.) Well a woman thinks the same way. Why should they give the milk when they are getting the cow for free.(All your attentions/affections as a pseudo bf.) My advice, go ghost. Go casper on her a$$. That is what I am currently doing but in reality Teddy look at it as a lost cause. Go get another chick, redeem your social proof and sexual market value, and she may reconsider, but likely she already categorized you. It happened to me as well, so I feel ya.

Even girls with boyfriends do this. It's like they need to have a fan club.

 

[VladPatton]

The guy and girl friendship is complete büllṣhit! I've always believed that one of the two always wants to fück the other but is being silent out of fear of rejection and fear of losing whatever sexless relationship they have.

And yes, I agree with PHM, that they WILL use you and all or any skills you have for their own personal benefit without ever considering giving you anything in return. This, all of this, is not their fault! That's right, it's they guys' fault for supplicating to these girls. Until the bulk of men say 'fück you' ti such extortion, it will go on and on.

And the way American males are getting more and more pussified with their skinny jeans, man bags, and man buns, this is a long, long way from happening. Fly the flag high, you macho SoSuavers! lol

 

[Mike32ct]

I don't think women even think about it.

They probably know on some level that the guy is attracted and being led on, but she doesn't give it any conscious thought either way. Even if it does cross her mind, as PHM said, she doesn't care anyway.

It's even worse today with the "gay best friend" fad. Women learn to use men for attention, and they end up doing this with straight guy friends too.

 

[teddy]

I don't think women even think about it.

They probably know on some level that the guy is attracted and being led on, but she doesn't give it any conscious thought either way. Even if it does cross her mind, as PHM said, she doesn't care anyway.

It's even worse today with the "gay best friend" fad. Women learn to use men for attention, and they end up doing this with straight guy friends too.

Women loving having a guy in the gay best friend role. I guess this is the equivalent to being a male slut as the poster above said. You get all the benefits, don't need to worry about the other ****.

 

[betheman]

women 'collect' men, it might be subconsciously or deliberately, but they do it. its status, it tells others they are attractive, its huge social proof for them, it also gives them ready access to a fvck when they need it...they just wont admit that part.
as a guy, think about it, why would you spend time with a woman, respond to her texts, her calls, her cries....what is in it for you? 99% of the time its potential access to pu$$y, hers or someone she is connected to.
what really intrigues me is couples, those who seem to spend lots of time in each others company, different ball game but similar dynamic.

do women realise men just want to Fvck them? I dont think they do, they seem to see men as optins ON THEIR TERMS not the guys

 

[teddy]

women 'collect' men, it might be subconsciously or deliberately, but they do it. its status, it tells others they are attractive, its huge social proof for them, it also gives them ready access to a fvck when they need it...they just wont admit that part.
as a guy, think about it, why would you spend time with a woman, respond to her texts, her calls, her cries....what is in it for you? 99% of the time its potential access to pu$$y, hers or someone she is connected to.
what really intrigues me is couples, those who seem to spend lots of time in each others company, different ball game but similar dynamic.

do women realise men just want to Fvck them? I dont think they do, they seem to see men as optins ON THEIR TERMS not the guys

But most of the time, this doesn't happen if you're a beta-orbiter.

 

[betheman]

But most of the time, this doesn't happen if you're a beta-orbiter.

it doesnt, it rarely does, at best, the guy might get a booty call, a pity fvck. it does happen though however rarely. usually it happens when the guy has some tangible benefits, money or services or a huge d!ck

 

[PlayHer Man]

women 'collect' men, it might be subconsciously or deliberately, but they do it. its status, it tells others they are attractive, its huge social proof for them, it also gives them ready access to a fvck when they need it...they just wont admit that part.
as a guy, think about it, why would you spend time with a woman, respond to her texts, her calls, her cries....what is in it for you? 99% of the time its potential access to pu$$y, hers or someone she is connected to.
what really intrigues me is couples, those who seem to spend lots of time in each others company, different ball game but similar dynamic.

do women realise men just want to Fvck them? I dont think they do, they seem to see men as optins ON THEIR TERMS not the guys

Its clear as day that men just want to f*ck them. Its just something women don't want to believe because it makes them nothing but a sex toy and child factory/farm.. which is degrading to them. They MUST believe they have more value than that! But they don't. :crackup:

This is why women started feminism and started "competing" with men. They wanted to say: "See! We can do sh!t too! We are not just sex toys for having and raising kids!". What they fail to grasp is that men are fully aware women can "do sh!t too" men just don't care since we only benefit from their p*ssy and domestic help.. NOT all the other "sh!t they do".. :crackup:

A female CEO will still want to spend her money on HERSELF rather than her man. So why should a man care she has money? And if she is ugly like Oprah... how does a man benefit from association with her? He won't get her money, he won't enjoy the sex and he won't have kids with good genes.

 

[_sideways_]

Fight fire with fire

 

[dutchmaster]

It never hurts to have attractive female friends.

Granted all my friendships with females started out with 1 one of us having sexual interest.. That interests fades quickly if rejected though so personally I stay friendly with them still because at my age social circle game is huge. And I look good when I go out with this bad b1tch and her friends. Even when I'm just hanging around campus with my hb9 friend I get looks/stares/smiles/IoI's out the ass from other girls. In fact I fvked a girl I work with whos a solid 8.5 just because she saw me at the mall with her and assumed we had a thing.. Her interest/attraction sky rockted by like 900% after that.

Women are so stupid...I just thank god I'm a man and have no sisters.. They can still be used to ur advantage even if theyre not bein fvcked!

 

[SamTheHobit]

refuse to deal with women who care less than you.

Absolutely. This is something I want to burn into my skull.