Many people who 'made it' came her as well adjusted social beings to begin with - which really should be the definition of average. The average guy has at least some friends, has dated some girls and has some knowledge about dating. The average guy, after finding this site, is often able to complete the puzzle pieces and average becomes amazing. These are the guys who are most likely to make it.
Many of the understandings you need to successfully apply this knowledge is either left out fo the "DJ Bible" completely, or can only be learned through observation and experience, so the people who are lacking these fundamentals of socialization really have a hard time. They are trying to make up for a lifetime of ackwardness that simply cannot be overcome in a few months. If anything, the success of the truly average guys acts a discouragement to these guys because they're expecting the same results in the same time frame.
These 'way below average' guys are the ones that truly need the extensive practice at socializing. They see the field reports about some of us guys who are bringing home HB8s on a weekly basis and they think that they should be able to do that too after simply reading the DJ Bible. They don't realize all of us, even the naturals, had to go through a trek to get to where they are with the ladies.
My first pickup was when I was 15 - a grand total of 5 years before I ever had heard of anything seduction related for men. I met the girl at a concert, looking at my friend when before we even walked in the door saying "Tonight, we are going to meet some girls." I just stood next to her in the crowd, made conversation (hell if I remember what exactly, after that long), and at the end of the night she chased me through a thick crowd and, standing in front of me breathless from the effort, said "You didn't ask me for my number... so I thought, what if we never see each other again?" and wrote it down for me.
By the standards set by this website - and, if you ask me, the bar has been set very low - you'd be tempted to call me a natural. You'd especially say so of my roommates, who have slept with 23 and 25 girls (and they are 18 and 20, respectively) not counting hookups that did not result in sex. I remember, however, when they had girl problems as bad as many of the guys on this site, back as freshman in high school wondering why all the cute girls were uninterested. Even these guys are nothing to write home about. They get frustrated, too.
What these desperate guys coming on here need to realize is that their progess is going to take time, and they will crash and burn in the process. It has been said by so many self-made men that success is just a series of failures proceeded by something that worked, and it's true in this case just as much as anything else. They expect to read a few articles by Pook and then go out and seduce 9's and 10's the next day. It doesn't work like that. Start small - get a phone number or two from a girl you find attractive, even if that means she's a 6.5. Get some dates, get laid, and use that "cloud 9" feeling as your foundation for the confidence to get another girl right then.
Maybe if these guys who aren't 'making it' had some sort of way to guage their progress even in those grim months before they even manage to get their first kiss then they'd be less discouraged. If only they could say "Yeah, I haven't gotten laid yet - but I talked to that HB9. I never would have done that before." Wingmen can be so important as well. Whenever I need a little bit of a confidence boost for approaching girls, I'll find some guys nearby who seem fun and start talking about girls with them. Then I announce to them that I'm going to talk to a particular girl, and even if I get shot down they always seem to be impressed that I had the balls to do it. Nothing gets me pumping like the pressure of living up to the expectations I myself instilled into other people, and I've made a lot of friends this way. In short, I'm learning because I'm doing. The point is, these guys need to get out there more!
Another thing I might stress is appearance, as it isn't stressed enough. There are a lot of ways you can dress that won't give you any problem with pickups, and then there are a few that are like the kiss of death for fashion mistakes. If you go out looking like a total nerd - parted hair, coke-bottle thick glasses, a work shirt complete with pocket protector, tight highwater slacks pulled up to your belly button and some wal-mart brand running shoes you can bet that you're going to have a hard time with girls no matter how strong your inner confidence is. It's actually ridiculous how much emphasis girls place on appearance - and that doesn't mean genetic looks, either. That means "He's a prep, I like rockers, he's not my type". So find a style the expresses your personality in an alluring way (even if that personality is computers, dungeons and dragons, and obscure anime - which, btw, are all things that my friend who has slept with 25 girls is into). When you look good enough, you don't even need game. It's amazing how that works.
In short, I think that this website really represents an incomplete method for somebody to go from total loser to ladies man. There are things that it simply doesn't teach well, while others simply get underemphasized (or overemphasized). In reality, the "DJ Bible" is nothing but a messy collection of semi-related and often conflicting essays and theories that in no way should be touted as a guide for getting girls. There are some good ideas in there, some bad ideas in their, and some ideas that simply should never be used together (i.e. the mystery method and anti-dump). Since it's up to the visitor to figure all of this out on his own, some simpy never do - and the wbafc becomes a wbasfc (way below average super-frustrated chump) who thinks he should be a DJ by know because he's spent 10,000 hours reading. The problem is that so many of these 'tactics' are based on a larger mindset that cannot be separated from the tactic - and, in fact, the tip would be unnessesary if the person had the mindset down to begin with.
What these people that are struglling - I mean really struggling - need is a step by step guide to going from 'way-below-average' to simply 'average' - in other words, they need to play catch-up before they can even begin to apply the knowledge from this site. They need short term goals that they can feel like they've accomplished so that they don't feel like they're getting nowhere. The bootcamp is a good attempt at this, but from what I've seen it fails more often than not. It is a good try though.
Think about it: if you want to teach a man how to snowboard, what would you do? Would you sit him down in a classroom, and have him read 20 long books on 20 different ways to snowboard - loading him up with termonology and tricks (such as "how to do a 360") when he hasn't even learned how to strap his board on his feet properly yet? No, you might give him a few basic tips, take him out for a day, observe his difficulties, and then give him some more tips as well as let him ask questions about what he had trouble with. He may say "It never occured to me that placing my weight on my downhill edge would cause me to faceplant..." and then learn how to not faceplant, when no amount of reading could have made him understand that as clear as a mouthfull of snow. Maybe after teaching hundreds of students, you could develop a good system to help them learn on their own, trying to answer all questions that they would never think to ask - this is what the site needs. We need to give these struggling newbies a self-learning guide - one that emphasizes practice and small victories. One that throws out some tips and says "Here, try this, and expect this result". Instead of telling them "Be a man! Kill that desperation! Then the most beautiful women will FLOCK to YOU!"
As for the people who simply have no motivation to get out and improve - well, nobody can help a man who wont help himself.
I know I haven't been here for a year... but really, this forum is already almost in the realm of "For Entertainment Purposes Only" as I'm learning everything I need to know just by going out there and doing it on my own. I don't intend to be here when it's been a year since I've registered.
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