Why Do Many Women Prefet to Fvuk Well-Built/Muscular Men?

[mrRuckus]

Why am i getting lumped into things? I explicitly said I don't agree with either of you.

It's blindingly obvious that you have a better chance if you're better looking.

It's obvious if your personality is better you have a better chance.

Improve either and your chances go up.

But also, you can show off your looks a hell of a lot easier than your personality. If you're not that good looking to begin with, will you even get the chance to show off the personality or will the girl have rejected you in her mind before you even open your mouth and go talk to another guy?

The first thing girls tell me is that i'm hot (hott). They say nothing about personality until later on. They gave me the chance because they thought i was really hot. Hell, they giggle more and laugh at stupid stuff and think your personality is better than it is because they're already attracted. There could be another dude who looks worse than me with a much better personality but she gave me the chance first because i'm the better looking dude even if she overall would have preferred the other guy. But he never even got the chance!

But having not that good of a personality and being hot isn't good enough either. It might get you laid a few times but i doubt the girl is going to stick it out with you just because you're hot. I've gotten lazy and ignored my girlfriends and stopped being excited around them and no matter how hot they thought i was they still went and bought the next ticket to Splitsville and would even start dating a less attractive guy.

This sh1t isn't anywhere near black and white.

It's always seemed to me that the IQ of a woman is inversely proportionate to how muscly she likes her men.

I exclusively date intelligent, college educated women who have good grammar and spelling skills. I assure you they prefer a solid base of muscle over my former skinny ass.

When people are thinking about this are they comparing 130 pound guy to 260 lb guy? Because i'm think more along the lines of 150-160 lb guy compared to the 190-210 type thing. There are diminishing returns here. People usually don't like the complete freak but they appreciate the somewhat significantly above normal.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

We think you're wrong when you imply that being good-looking and being muscular are synonymous.

Having a nice body is one aspect of being good looking, just like having a nice face is another aspects.

Many would argue that being very muscular is NOT very good-looking. And I don't think even you would argue that you have to be muscular to be good-looking.

That depends on what your definition of "muscular" is. If your definition of muscular is a schwarzenneger build, then yes, its not good looking, women find really big muscly men gross. But what they also find gross are fatties and scrony little skeleton runts. Statistics have shown that most women prefer the "small muscular build", you know, the builds that alot of male models have. Theyre not big, but theyre toned, defined and have a 6 pack. Usher and Brad Pitt in fight club are examples of this.

Just look at Justin Timberlake, Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom, and any other number of men who are NOT at all muscular, but that women literally swoon over.

They arent muscular, but they arent scrony runts or fatties either. So their bodies are reasonabley close to the ideal one, JT has a (6 pack I believe :yes: ). More importantly, these guys have nice faces. Looks are more than just a body, the face counts too.

And many women put muscularity VERY LOW on their priority list when looking for a man. Until you find me a statistically sound survey that says otherwise, conventional wisdom says that MEN care way more about muscularity than women, just like MEN care way more about penis size than women. Hate to break it.

I never said that a nice body is the #1 thing women want, nor did I say its the most important thing. What I have been saying is that being good looking is the number one thing. Being good looking includes a nice body, but it also includes a nice face, good height, tan, clear skin etc. ITs all of the above.

Although I will say, women really really like men with nice bodies. I see women respond more strongly to a guy whos got a body they really like than a guy with a face they really like. Im not gonna say its more important than having a nice face, theyre both important to being good looking. A nice body is just one contribution of many to being "good looking".

 

[Aaron B]

so many of you are missing the point, comparing johnny depp to WWE wrestlers and such.

Get a mental picture of your body. Now add 30 pounds of muscle. Which one do you think is more attractive to women? Do honestly believe Johnny Depp wouldn't be more attractive if he put on muscle mass?

Nobody is saying to turn yourself into one of those pumped-up guys from the bodybuilder magazines.

 

[dynamicallyidle]

Get a mental picture of your body. Now add 30 pounds of muscle. Which one do you think is more attractive to women? Do honestly believe Johnny Depp wouldn't be more attractive if he put on muscle mass?

I believe this. Honestly, his scrawniness is part of his persona.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

to all u looks dont matter guys.
like Rollo up there said, your charming personality wont make u look any better with ur shirt off.

You missed my point brother. The best form of peacocking IS having a good body and all the funny hats, black nail polish, LED shirts and eyeliner doesn't compare with a built body when it comes to initial attraction.

And after all, your shirtless ripped body won't make your personality any more charming.

True, but she'll never get to the point of experiencing your personality if she's not physically attracted to you in the first place. A good physique makes up for a multitude of sins. Women are far more forgiving of personality flaws with a guy who's ripped, while a guy who's less physical might need bulletproof game.

That's not to discredit PUA and/or good social skills, they're certainly useful tools, but the DJ with a good body will always have an easier time of it than one who's fat or out of shape.

 

[martinshernwood]

Could be...although generally people's perceptions of a member of the opposite sex's looks are greatly affected by their personalities.

And after all, your shirtless ripped body won't make your personality any more charming.

Do you have any scientific data to back up ANY of your claims? or do you just make them up when you need an argument?:nono:

 

[DJF or John]

God this is getting ridiculous. This is the last reply I am making to you on this topic. And don't PM me anymore.

You said previously,

"What you are saying is that women display more variety in taste than men do. Basically what you are saying is that men display similar taste in what women they find attractive, and women display more variety. Thats exactly what you were saying, thats exactly what you meant, sorry. Dont be a sore loser and trying to deny what you said becuase youre logic has been proven to be flawed."

For the life of me, what part of WHAT I said do you not understand?

In one paragraph.

You ready.....

Here's where I stand,

Women fvck guys who are sexual, guys that are sexual are the guys that fvck all the women. They are the guys that fvck all the women consistently. They are the ones that all the girls scream over. That's where I stand. This is what I am saying, I'm not saying nothing more and nothing less. I have been saying that for 4 months, go back and read my Don Juan Tips, "I Have It!" post.

I'm saying that men on the other hand, fvck women THAT LOOK GOOD. So I'm saying that good looks are the deciding factor for men, not for women.

WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?? You don't agree with me? Who cares? It ain't me.

Women fvck guys who are sexual, guys that are sexual are the guys that fvck all the women.

Men fvck girls who have good looks, girls that have good looks are the girls that fvck all the men.

DID you get it? Fvck it, I'll post it again....

Women fvck guys who are sexual, guys that are sexual are the guys that fvck all the women.

Men fvck girls who have good looks, girls that have good looks are the girls that fvck all the men.

That's where I stand, am I right or wrong? I don't know, that's why I was "trying" to have a sensible, reasonable, mature, "discussion" with you God. But your childishness and name calling, and immaturity has pissed me off.

I'm out of college, and this is not Philosphy 101, where I need to structure agruments soundly and logically, I talk and type from my heart. The FACTS that I have is from my experiences, what I've lived, what I've seen, what I've gone through.

You wanna say that the girls that fvck that guy are doing so because THEY think he's good looking! I understand that, what I was pointing out was the reason WHY the girls think the guy is good looking.

You are saying they think he's good looking based on his face, muscles, look..I'm saying the girls are saying the guy is good looking based on his masculinity and sexuality. I'm saying if the man HAS NO SEXUALITY, HAS NO MASCULINITY, HAS NO ANYTHING OF THE SORT, the women will NOT find him hot! They will NOT find him attractive!

The funny thing about this is this....When a guy embraces his sexuality, masculitiy, has confidence, etc....the guy will usually ALWAYS dress nice, fix his body up, work out, etc...do you know why God? Because the guy has developed a NATURAL LOVE FOR HIMSELF! He's a natural PUA, a natural Don Juan! This whole thing is no longer a game to him, it's apart of his life. Looks and "style" do play apart, but I was saying that his Good Looks alone didn't get him laid.

Is my theory or opinion is wrong? I don't know, I don't claim to have the magic pill, that's like saying I have the magic pill in business. I can only speak as to what has helped me in my life, that's why I choose to engage in a "discussion" to try and understand my success.

But God I've concluded that you are nothing but a very immature, very childish, and NOT willing to engage in a serious discussion young man. You are a couple years older than me, yet you act and behave totally like a High School kid. If I sound harsh, if I sound pissed, well I am! You continue to reply with name calling, you continue to reply with insults, you don't know shyt about me "Son" okay? I thought that you were mature enough to engage in a conversation about this topic, we can "disagree" with each other without calling each other names, so since you choose to continue the name calling, since you choose to contine the childishness....THEN YOU CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION BY YOUR DAMN SELF. Preach your "Looks Theory" to your damn self.

You are on my Ignore list from this point on.

 

[mrRuckus]

I'm out of college, and this is not Philosphy 101, where I need to structure agruments soundly and logically

errr what? Are you religious? Female? A politician deciding voting on something technological?

You are on my Ignore list from this point on.

Damn long rant to someone you have on ignore...

 

[DJF or John]

Majority of success is gut and instinct, not calculation and logical reasoning and theories. While common sense and logic plays a part, it's not the whole picture.

But why do I even respond to you guys? You're going to believe what you want anyway right?

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Here's where I stand,

Women fvck guys who are sexual, guys that are sexual are the guys that fvck all the women. They are the guys that fvck all the women consistently. They are the ones that all the girls scream over. That's where I stand. This is what I am saying, I'm not saying nothing more and nothing less. I have been saying that for 4 months, go back and read my Don Juan Tips, "I Have It!" post.

Thats great. You made a claim. Now you need to varify that it is true by presenting evidence and explaining your conclusion. You have done none of this.

I'm saying that men on the other hand, fvck women THAT LOOK GOOD. So I'm saying that good looks are the deciding factor for men, not for women.

WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?? You don't agree with me? Who cares? It ain't me.

I understand every part of what you are stating/claiming. What I dont understand is how you could possibly have come to such a conclusion given everyday observations.

That's where I stand, am I right or wrong? I don't know, that's why I was "trying" to have a sensible, reasonable, mature, "discussion" with you God. But your childishness and name calling, and immaturity has pissed me off.

well, if you knew you were right, then everything I said should have made you luagh, not turn red.

I'm out of college, and this is not Philosphy 101, where I need to structure agruments soundly and logically, I talk and type from my heart. The FACTS that I have is from my experiences, what I've lived, what I've seen, what I've gone through.

If your intentions are not to be logical, then why are you having a discussion about the truth about something? In order to discuss what is true and false, you cant abandon logical structure. If you do, then you want achieve your objective of proving something, in that case I have no idea why you would be bothering with this discussion unless its for your amusement, not to actually prove anything. :crazy:

You are saying they think he's good looking based on his face, muscles, look..I'm saying the girls are saying the guy is good looking based on his masculinity and sexuality. I'm saying if the man HAS NO SEXUALITY, HAS NO MASCULINITY, HAS NO ANYTHING OF THE SORT, the women will NOT find him hot! They will NOT find him attractive!

you have a habit of posting claims about how women are, but not backing it up or explaining how that is so.

But God I've concluded that you are nothing but a very immature, very childish, and NOT willing to engage in a serious discussion young man.

Oh but I do want to have a logical discussion. You are the one backing out, not me.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Majority of success is gut and instinct, not calculation and logical reasoning and theories. While common sense and logic plays a part, it's not the whole picture.

So what your saying is we dont need logical reasoning to know the truth about women? anything goes eh? I guess we can just pull anything out of our ass and just say "its true, it doesnt need to make sense". riiiiggghhhht.

Sorry, youll need logical reasoning to prove something as true or false. Otherwise, theres really no point in being serious about discussing about the truth of someinthing, ie female behavior. I mean, reality doesnt care if your logical or not, 2+2 will always equal 4 independant of what you think. You just cant escape the reality of logical reasoning no matter how much you wish it wasnt an actual part of reality. You can complain how logical reasoning is reserved only for philosophy class, but it wont make your irrational or illogical reasoning any more true.

 

[bigjohnson]

Some things are difficult to prove to the point of being practically impossible. "What women want" is pretty sure to fall into that category IMO. What do you measure? How do you measure it? How do you create a repeatable controlled experiment that's statistically valid?

Seems like an incredible waste of time for anyone but a habitual master-debater.

 

[blueguy]

Who cares why? It's easy to get well built. Anybody can. Just get off your ass and do it. Then your next post will be, "I'm glad women like to fvck well-built/muscular men."

 

[Ms. LadyBug]

I certainly like boys with muscles. But it's all about a face and how drawn I am to that. My BF (who is on this site! hello sweetie!) has such an attractive face. So symmetrical. He had me at hello.

 

[dynamicallyidle]

I certainly like boys with muscles. But it's all about a face and how drawn I am to that. My BF (who is on this site! hello sweetie!) has such an attractive face. So symmetrical. He had me at hello.

Oh God. Some guy made a screen name posing as a woman just for this thread. Some of you are SADddddd...

 

[ryannath]

Someone Please Close This Thread Now!!!!

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

I certainly like boys with muscles. But it's all about a face and how drawn I am to that. My BF (who is on this site! hello sweetie!) has such an attractive face. So symmetrical. He had me at hello.

no doubt, you are a man posing as a woman. as the other guy said, this is sad.

If you were really a woman talking about how nice your Bf's face was, you wouldnt be saying "oh I like how symetrical it is", you would be saying "ooh, my BF has the nicest eyes" or "he has such a nice smile, perfect teeth". When I hear women talking about a guy's face that they like, they almost always comment on his eyes, the rest of the time its about his smile. FYI, when it comes to the face, women key in on the eyes and mouth (yet another similarity between men and women in what they look at for mate selection, wow how similar we are ). I have never in my life ever heard a girl say she liked it becuase it was "symetrical". However, there are plenty of guys on this forum saying a symetrical face is the key to having a good looking face, this idea has become popular on this forum as to what makes a nice face. Ill leave it to you to figure out what this all means and why its clear that this person is actually a man posing as a woman.

 

[mrRuckus]

Or I could just tell you right now. First off, it's unlikely in the first place that a woman is posting on an Internet forum period. Even MORE unlikely is a woman posting on a site designed for men. 9/10 times, a woman on a site or game designed for men will turn out to be a man posing as woman to act out whatever sick gender confusion issues they may harbor. Besides the fact that the poster sounds nothing like a woman, and are overcompensating their manhood by drawing extra attention to his "gender".

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

 

[white sox bill]

OK I've been scatter reading some the posts...since I'm **ahem** 47, I DO find some of the posts very enlightning by some guys here half my age. In fact, some of them are right on the $$. Whoever says guys my age can't learn from someone in thier 20's. Kudos to you guys for your input, they are well put.

That being said, I posted the other day myself competing in numerous bodybuilding in the 80's and even the early 90's. I was onstage right next to a guy who went on to win the Jr America the next yr. True I did the steroid thing along with moderate dosages of GH. I had NO I mean NO problem pulling as* in my 20's. There were weeks when I was sleeping with 3 women at same time, I can remember not even showering between sex sessions LOL! Yes I was a hog...and thru all this, I always had a steady GF.

Some points:
*There's a difference between looking good (as in great bod, low BF%) and good looking facially. The ideal situation in to have both. I would say a woman is more likely to sleep with a man who's facially good looking as opposed to a man with a great bod but average in face looks.

*Several yrs I went out with my nephews for drinks...they are 18yrs younger than me and although I had them beat hands down physically, they were younger and I admit better looking than me. No surprise, they got more stares than me.

*Yes some women are intimatated by good looks. I can recall word getting back to me that this one female wanted to bone me, but as she told me friend "I'd feel so fat next to him" it never materialzed. Other times I've had women tell me "Sorry I don't date jocks" or that I was too muscular for them.
I can remember another time this clerk at store froze up every time I went there. I though what a bytch, she must not like me at all. I ended up dating her for over a yr, she revealed to me that she didn't know what to say to me, was nervous when she saw me and generally only spoke to me whenever I spoke to her. Here I thought I didn't have a chance, turns out she was wetting her pants when I saw her.

*The females who ARE attracted to muscular men crave them. I don't think I've ever shagged one who didn't insist I remove ALL my clothes, esp. my shirt.

Sure, we won't appeal to all females, but it sure helps a lot. Of course, if you don't some kind of personality or inner game, its kinda like having a keg with no tapper. Useless

 

[skip2mylou1984]

"why do many women prefer to fcuk well built men?"

not "many", only some. And that some happens to be the most attractive desirable women! so if u wanna instantly attract the best *****, then u better hit the gym or be really rich or famous. Otherwise it'll be an uphill battle that u gotta fight with lotsa gaming. Sorry fellas, instant attraction is caused by looks, fame, or $$