Why do guys put up with it?

[WestCoaster]

Here I am at the library returning materials, hopped on the computer to check my e-mail. Next to me is an homely, fat broad complaining that she got an 'F' in her college class and wants it changed over to an 'A' so she's e-mailing her prof. (I glance over to the e-mail address, sadly it's the university I work for ... guess we're letting in anyone these days.)

She calls over her AFC, I mean puppy dog, I mean boyfriend. "How do I write this so I can get this changed," she says practically yelling. She can barely string a sentence together so I'm guessing the 'F' grade is the legit one.

The AFC politely tells her how to write it (he was correct in how she should write it by the way), and she barks, "I don't need all that gobbidly goop crap, I just want to make it short and sweet and get the grade changed. You can't help me at all!"

He mumbles something under his breath and walks away, head between legs. OK, both appeared to be a little poor, white trash, the guy was shorter than her. However, he wasn't homely or stupid; but his broad was fat, ugly, mean, b-tchy, begging the question: Why do guys put up with this sh-t, let alone from an ugly broad?!

Saw enough of these scenarios today at the stores to drive me nuts. What's wrong with the American male? Plus, as ugly as this chick was, she's only going to get worse! God, have a fun life buddy! Sick, just sick.

 

[DJDamage]

Originally posted by WestCoaster
Why do guys put up with this sh-t, let alone from an ugly broad?!

The guy is probably an AFC who is shy and hasn't dated much and girls don't pay attention to him. When you got a fat ugly broad she will be the one who will act like a "man" and come onto the AFC because she has nothing to lose (guys do not approach her either but if she can find a more pathetic creature then her then she will get some). Ultimately the AFC figures out that this fugly is the only girl he can get and holds onto her for dearlife. The fugly girl knows she got a doormat on her hands and can treat him like sh1t because he has no other prospects. Thus she is able to feel like a princess through power not love.

DjDamage

 

[insidious]

Re: Re: Why do guys put up with it?

DJD, this is one of the better descriptions of a train wreck I've heard in a while ...

Originally posted by DJDamage
The guy is probably an AFC who is shy and hasn't dated much and girls don't pay attention to him. When you got a fat ugly broad she will be the one who will act like a "man" and come onto the AFC because she has nothing to lose (guys do not approach her either but if she can find a more pathetic creature then her then she will get some). Ultimately the AFC figures out that this fugly is the only girl he can get and holds onto her for dearlife. The fugly girl knows she got a doormat on her hands and can treat him like sh1t because he has no other prospects. Thus she is able to feel like a princess through power not love.

DjDamage

 

[DJDamage]

Re: Re: Re: Why do guys put up with it?

Originally posted by insidious
DJD, this is one of the better descriptions of a train wreck I've heard in a while ...

The sad thing about it is that if she dumps him, he is probably going to lose his mind, because in his mind he is nothing and being with her makes him something (it gives him a purpose to go on in this sad existence). This message is what society keeps drilling us to believe and due to lack of guidance many men are lost and are living in self-made prisons.

DjDamage

 

[Desdinova]

I know what you mean. If a guy is going to hook up with a nasty, b1tchy woman, at least make sure she's good looking!

What really blows my mind is these unattractive women don't have looks going for them, and their personality is 5hit. You'd think an unattractive woman would make up for her looks by being a fun, fantastic, and positive person.

 

[STR8UP]

My ex has a friend who is a 200lb immature 21 yr old.

For whatever reason, this girl manages to hook up with guys left and right. I am physically and mentally repulsed by this girl, but obviously there are some guys who like marshmallow shaped women who act like adolescent girls.

Why anyone would date this girl is beyond me. But the way I see it, that means there is one less guy as competition in the dating game, if he is willing to take on the heiffers that I want nothing to do with.

 

[Alicorn]

There's no mystery here: the America male is conditioned to be addicted to vagina. If he acts in any other way then people ask him if he's gay.

Destroy the culture that worships the hole and the problem goes away.

 

[Bible_Belt]

culture that worships the hole

Some ancient Greeks and Romans actually did that literally, with prostitute-priestess temples to Venus and Aphrodite. So much of our modern culture is influenced by old pagan customs, for example our holidays, that maybe gender dynamics are as well. There are plenty of professional dominatrixes in the world getting paid by sick fvcks who want to 'worship' a woman.

 

[WestCoaster]

True one-armed

Yes, why do women act this way? I do think it's a combination of the woman acting this way and the guy rewarding this behavior by staying with her.

DJ Damage had some valid points, too. My first serious gf was early in college and I had low self-esteem because I struck out in high school more often than not. My first gf wasn't particularly good looking or very nice, to be honest. When we finally broke up (God, I had considered marriage ... I thank the spirit of the DJ every day for looking after me), I thought, "Wait a sec, I can do better, much better." I proceded to date some truly outstanding women, who had tremendous looks as well as personalities.

It was all in my head.

And the little AFC at the library? It's all in his head. I wish I was quicker on my feet, I would've followed him, told him to dump his gal ASAP,and given him the site address of sosuave.com, particularly the DJ Bible. Sadly, he probably doesn't know any better.

* One of the posters here saw an AFC retrieving a comb for his gf because she demanded it and he told the guy, "Don't do it!" And then proceded to tell the gal she was acting like a beyotch. I know because he PMed me, it was a hoot. Saldy, the guy still got the comb. Most men are programmed wrong.

 

[Alicorn]

Originally posted by Bible_Belt
culture that worships the hole

Some ancient Greeks and Romans actually did that literally, with prostitute-priestess temples to Venus and Aphrodite. So much of our modern culture is influenced by old pagan customs, for example our holidays, that maybe gender dynamics are as well. There are plenty of professional dominatrixes in the world getting paid by sick fvcks who want to 'worship' a woman.

Plenty of modern Western culture is still influenced by ancient history.

What I'm talking about isn't as exterme as the dominatrix though. I mean how women's mostly nekkid bodies are everywhere, how men are supposed to go "oh la la" and lose sense of themselves when a hot woman walks by.

How many men don't think "if I could just be a better job I could get a better woman," or they think "I have to work out or women won't love me," or they think "I have to be more successful so women will love me." Plenty of men take higher paying soul-destroying jobs to make their wives happy and to give her the dream she has of a big house, big car, and big kids.

Supporting your family is one thing, placing yourself on the alter of human sacrifice is something else.

 

[WestCoaster]

Alicorn, spot on, correct 100 percent on your takes. Even subconsciously, many of us are thinking, "How do I get this woman?!"

The essence of DJism is ownership of SELF, buildling up one's mind, inner game, fitness, and career. Ownership of SELF has been discarded in today's American culture because it's considered:

* Narcissistic

* Not caring for others

... and so forth. Also, the more non-AFCs out there, the more Hollywood suffers, the more jewelry stores take hits, the floral industry goes south, etc.

It's all a HUGE hidden conspiracy, concocted mostly by women and gay men working for New York ad agencies. It's all to get you to buy, buy, buy and watch TV ... the end result is you're a big, blubbering out of shape mess and your brain is a gooey mess, you have no thought patterns left and you're a slave to a fat, ugly, mean woman.

Ugh!

 

[STR8UP]

Originally posted by WestCoaster
It's all a HUGE hidden conspiracy, concocted mostly by women and gay men working for New York ad agencies. It's all to get you to buy, buy, buy and watch TV ... the end result is you're a big, blubbering out of shape mess and your brain is a gooey mess, you have no thought patterns left and you're a slave to a fat, ugly, mean woman.

Ugh!

It's no conspiracy, you know better.

There isn't a conscious, orchestrated effort by anyone. The media is a reflection of the desires of the public. The people who create this stuff cannot afford to impose their PERSONAL tastes into their work. The only exception would be if their personal tastes are congruent with their target audience.

It is mostly men who are in ultimate control of the media, and as such you would need to point the finger at a MEN since they are in a higher position of control. The women and gay guys working down below would get their asses fired if they were to go against what their target market is buying at any given time.

I mean, seriously man, you don't really believe what you said, do you?

 

[WestCoaster]

It's a hidden conspiracy. Not all conspiracies are overt, actually most are covert.

Can you imagine if the U.S. was full of DJs instead of AFCs? Most of Hollywood would suffer.

If you think I'm dreaming, watch a little TV this weekend and watch how the man is portrayed. Nine times out of 10 he's portrayed as a helpless, goofball AFC, who can't fix anything, can't do anything right, and should just let the woman call the shots.

I didn't notice this stuff till I got on this site. From a father trying out some gymnastics stuff, falling and hurting himself in an insurance commercial (I e-mailed them on this and got a response), to a woman picking out all the amenities for a new car on the internet with the guy being clueless on it (uh, it's the other way around folks), and on and on and on ... watch how men are portrayed on a daily basis. It's so often that the American man is now parroting all this.

It's happening, people just aren't paying attention. Open those two eyes on your head folks.

 

[WestCoaster]

OK, perhaps conspiracy isn't the right word, perhaps it's because men just accept what's fed them and there's no protest at all. They just put up with it.

A billboard off the West Seattle Freeway stood for nearly a YEAR for Dodge Trucks said this:

"More reliable than most husbands."

No one did anything, I e-mailed Dodge, but no one did a d-mn thing. (Never mind that MEN buy more than 90 percent of trucks in this country ... what were they thinking?)

My best friend in Seattle (a true DJ) saw it EVERY DAY on the way to work and it didn't kick in until I pointed it out. We've been turned numb by all the man-bashing.

My same friend said what if you put a slogan on the billboard that said, "Puts out more than most wives."

There would be protests galore and the billboard would be torn down.

Conspiracy? Probably not. But men are freaking numb to the man bashing out there. Pay attention to it, the frequency, the numbers of it. It's mind-boggling.

Of course, if you don't pay attention to it, you're numb, too.

 

[STR8UP]

B.S....

You obviously don't understand the dynamics of business. We have had this discussion before. You are putting the chicken before the egg!

The media is a PROFIT DRIVEN MACHINE. If it doesn't make a pofit, it doesn't exist for very long. This means that in order to stay in business they have to be in the business of making their clients happy. Their clients are businesses who sell products to consumers. The CONSUMERS make the ulitmate decision about who stays in business and who doesn't. You give the consumers what THEY want, you stay in business. You try to shove a load of crap down their throats that they don't like and you sink. Simple as that.

I won't deny your point of men being protrayed in a negative light in the media. But it has nothing to do with a conspiracy, and everything to do with the current attitudes of the society in which we live.

 

[STR8UP]

Originally posted by WestCoaster
OK, perhaps conspiracy isn't the right word, perhaps it's because men just accept what's fed them and there's no protest at all. They just put up with it.

A billboard off the West Seattle Freeway stood for nearly a YEAR for Dodge Trucks said this:

"More reliable than most husbands."

I agree 100%.

Just like you said, if it were changed to "puts out more than most wives". It's not right, but it happens to be the prevailing attitude of society. It SELLS.

But really, if we all know that the quickest way to strike out with women is to subscribe to this load of crap, all the better for the media to promote this message to the brainless masses. MORE WOMEN FOR THOSE WHO KNOW BETTER! It isn't like being a REAL man is going to stop getting you women. You are in the know....let everyone else think otherwise.

It's just like with the way I invest. Most people would think I am crazy doing the things I do, because they are conditioned by society to think in terms of "how to I manage to pay all my bills and save enough to invest so I can retire when I am too old to work". I think in terms of 'A select few people achive astronomical success with money and manage to become wealthy while they are still young, How can I do this?". I get pissd when I try to help people with money and they don't listen. Then I sit back and realize that it takes 100 other people to have the conventional mentality to allow me to do what I do. So why should I complain?

You aren't going to change society. Best thing you can do is make sure you understand the game and enlighten yourself in how to use it to your advantage.

 

[WestCoaster]

Ethno, I have no f'n idea what you meant by one step up, two back, laughing and so forth. Talk about hijacking the thread, that's the weirdest sh-t I've read in awhile. Re-read it, it makes no freaking sense.

Conspiracy was the wrong word, but the male public is numbed. If you don't think so, go to your big box store and watch the AFC male being dragged around by the big, fat, mean wife.

It's up to the jewlry stores to keep men AFC, I heard a radio commerical for one the other day: "Do you put your partner up on the highest pedestal?"

I just don't see these jewelry stores saying, "Are you independent, if your woman treats you bad, do you walk away? Do you not put up with bullsh-t? Would you really buy a b-tch a freaking ring? Hell no!"

There is some thought into keeping men AFCs, and men put up with it. Watch TV sometime.

 

[DJDamage]

Originally posted by WestCoaster
It's up to the jewlry stores to keep men AFC, I heard a radio commerical for one the other day: "Do you put your partner up on the highest pedestal?"

Can you think of the backlash if a Diamond Debeers commercial will look like this?

http://www.youtube.com/w/family-guy?v=LZZnNFisdWo&search=Family guy

 

[WestCoaster]

I still don't see how insulting the primary buyer -- men -- for trucks adds sales. They don't teach that in business school, or any school for that matter.

I wrote a pointed e-mail to Dodge regarding the billboard. Coincidence or not, within a week of the e-mail, my friend said it came down. Hmmm .... maybe we should be a little more outspoken about the AFCing of our society.

Also, while it's said if the rest of society is AFC and we're not, it's all good. No it's not. Why would we want to live in a society like this? That's why AFCs and AFC behavior like the guy in my initial post here at the library drives me nuts.

Whether you're a DJ or not, living in a feminized/AFC/puss-fication society is not fun, healthy, or good. It's getting worse each year folks.

 

[STR8UP]

Originally posted by backbreaker
Therefore as far as the trucks, you have to sell to the wifes/women.

I also guarantee you that if you saw a car ad for say.. a Bently or an Aston Martin, the ads would be more generated towards Men, because guys buy cars, and any guy that can afford to buy a 150K car is a man of power, whereas the average person who buys a Dodge Ram is your average Joe, just trying to make it in the world, and has to share income responabilities with the misses.

A lot of sales trainers will tell you that you need to engage the wife in the sales pitch, if not direct it towards her if you want to make the sale. It's a sad fact, but very true.

Good point about the Aston Martin ad. It reminds me of a conversation I had with my ex about money. I told her that in a relationship, the one who is more knowledgeable is the one who should be in control. She didn't really like to hear me tell her that I will always be the one controlling the money in a relationship, but I know that despite her initial reaction to the comment she KNEW that things would be better off that way.

Another sad thing is that lots of men don't want anything to do with hanling the finances outside of trying to bring home the biggest paycheck possible. My dad is no different. It's fine if the wife is a good money manager and investor, but if neither one of them are it spells trouble.

Back to the specific topic.....it isn't the "evil media propogating lies" that forces our society into this female dominated, male opressed state, it's SOCIETY itself, and the profit driven media is simply trying to make a buck off of it.