Why do Girls Date *******s?

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Originally posted by Player_Supreme
My message is that nice guys do finish last!!!
Thats just BS, pure and simple.

P/S you and I have been over this before in other threads and Ive come to the conclusion that you must be a physically very unattractive person to believe something like this because its just not so.

I think sometimes we underestimate how much our physical appearance factors into how women treat us and how we have to treat them when building our relationships.

I was on hot or not once about a year ago and measured a 9.4. I have never been able to act like a jerk, or an assshole without it backfiring and driving the women away. The same goes for ****y/funny, neg hits etc. I just dont have to do it to build the attraction. Im not trying to gloat, but really think that it is because myself and some of the others that have posted here are more physically attractive than you and all the other guys that use the whole "jerk/assshole" attitude. We dont have to act this way to gain their respect and finish first while still being a "nice" or a "good guy".
 
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Originally posted by Jon E
Thats just BS, pure and simple.

P/S you and I have been over this before in other threads and Ive come to the conclusion that you must be a physically very unattractive person to believe something like this because its just not so.

I think sometimes we underestimate how much our physical appearance factors into how women treat us and how we have to treat them when building our relationships.

I was on hot or not once about a year ago and measured a 9.4. I have never been able to act like a jerk, or an assshole without it backfiring and driving the women away. The same goes for ****y/funny, neg hits etc. I just dont have to do it to build the attraction. Im not trying to gloat, but really think that it is because myself and some of the others that have posted here are more physically attractive than you and all the other guys that use the whole "jerk/assshole" attitude. We dont have to act this way to gain their respect and finish first while still being a "nice" or a "good guy".
1. yes I am physically unattractive how did you know. You musta seen this:

http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=583617

I admit I am a ex-football playin and lookin jar head.

2. Who are you again? I don't recall any words with you E. But I'm glad your a 9.something or another. That's cool. Women must flock to ya. Now go look in Anything else section. Look at the photo's of the nerds and goobers on this site. We are all not blessed as you are with good looks. It took me a while to learn this also. Most of the guys on this site are those ex-nerds and goobs from high school all grown up and pissed off about the card life delt them.

3. I'm sorry what every you tried backfired on you. Do you want to tell me more about what happened? I've been in this game along time maybe I can offer a few pointers on where you went wrong.

4. Ok women have told us about nice guys. Authors out there who are putting out the "how to pick up women" are telling us about nice guys. Experienced players such as myself are telling you about nice guys. Oh as I recall somewhere on this forum I've posted a poll of women in their late 20's and early 30's about what they had to say about "NICE GUYS".

Now with all this you still don't get it. And you know what. It's ok. I really don't care anymore. I do know that ugly guys will stand a better chance of getting laid if they are "bad boys".

"It's not about the looks" --Tanya 29 years old

I know what works for me and I do it. You continue to do what works for you.
 

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I believe that even if your not what we would call "physically attractive" that you can still be a descent person and pull women. Read through Jvesti's "T-Theory" and Pook's "Secret of the Jerk" and you will see what I mean. Its not the abuse theyre attracted to, its the testosterone.

Testosterone=Wet Panties

Originally posted by Player_Supreme
Now go look in Anything else section. Look at the photo's of the nerds and goobers on this site. We are all not blessed as you are with good looks. It took me a while to learn this also. Most of the guys on this site are those ex-nerds and goobs from high school all grown up and pissed off about the card life delt them.
I have looked at all the pics in that thread and yes I agree. I believe thats why they feel they have to play the jerk/assshole card to build their value up from being seen as a total AFC.(sorry guys, no offence.) Have you ever seen what David Deangelo looks like? He's by no means what you would call attractive and thats why I believe the ****y/funny works so well for him and others. Personally, I just dont need it.
3. I'm sorry what every you tried backfired on you. Do you want to tell me more about what happened? I've been in this game along time maybe I can offer a few pointers on where you went wrong.
The point is that when your already "physically attractive" that ****y/funny, neg hits, arrogance and the jerk/assshole attitude etc only serve over qualify you. Women instantly become intimidated and feel that you're "out of their league" so to speak. Thats why I can still be what I call a "nice" or a "good guy" without looking like an AFC. Its been my experience that the nicer, friendlier and more down to earth that I am, the more successful I become and it works for me time and time again.

But if your not physically attractive, you dont have to be abusive to be desirable you just have to have the testosterone that women are looking for. Read Jvestis T-Theory and Pooks Secret of the Jerk
 
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Originally posted by Jon E
I believe that even if your not what we would call "physically attractive" that you can still be a descent person and pull women. Read through Jvesti's "T-Theory" and Pook's "Secret of the Jerk" and you will see what I mean. Its not the abuse theyre attracted to, its the testosterone.

Testosterone=Wet Panties


Your argument is good and sound Jon E. Your points are valid. A decent person and a Symp are two different things. I do not thing we are that far off in points of view.

" Nice guys are no challenge to me, I would roll right over them" --Tanya at 2:49 pm today. You see I do my research before I even open my mouth too.

I know women JonE. My experience is from life, not just reading some words put out by men whom we know nothing about. I believe none of what I hear and half of what I see on this internet. You got guys putting up photo's of girls they are not even boning and trying to say that they are left and right.

Experience is the best teacher. I know for a fact that nice guys don't win over bad boys. I'm 45 years old. I've been the nice guy long ago. I do what actually works. As I said I don't have fantastic good looks to rely on. I only got a 8.9 or 8.5 on that hot or not site. I guess I'm considered very good looking. But I don't rely on it.

Would you rather sit at the head of the table or underneath it licking a womans feet?

You keep preaching be this nice wimpy dude and heads will continue to post those awful posts on the main board.


Originally posted by Jon E

I have looked at all the pics in that thread and yes I agree. I believe thats why they feel they have to play the jerk/assshole card to build their value up from being seen as a total AFC.(sorry guys, no offence.) Have you ever seen what David Deangelo looks like? He's by no means what you would call attractive and thats why I believe the ****y/funny works so well for him and others. Personally, I just dont need it.
The point is that when your already "physically attractive" that ****y/funny, neg hits, arrogance and the jerk/assshole attitude etc only serve over qualify you. Women instantly become intimidated and feel that you're "out of their league" so to speak. Thats why I can still be what I call a "nice" or a "good guy" without looking like an AFC. Its been my experience that the nicer, friendlier and more down to earth that I am, the more successful I become and it works for me time and time again.




There is no such thing as overqualifying to a woman in my game. You forget my background. In my world I want the women bowed and cowed at my feet. I want them intimidated. Cause I know how to lead them to where I want them to go once they are broken down.

These women that you meet in these clubs got their heads way up in the clouds, there are so many chumps hitting on them left and right.

Their own personal value goes throught he roof. Then I gotta come along and devalue them to put their heads somewhere near a normal orbit.

Pimpin ain't easy...oh before the geeks start ...I am no pimp...it's just a phrase...don't get ya panties in a bunch!!!

Originally posted by Jon E

But if your not physically attractive, you dont have to be abusive to be desirable you just have to have the testosterone that women are looking for. Read Jvestis T-Theory and Pooks Secret of the Jerk
Sorry I actually make it a point to never read anything by anyone from this site. No offense to Pook. Who is a wonderful writer and Jvestis.

I do not know these men nor their actual experience. As I've seen none of it shown. I am careful whom I will read and listen to.


"Take no advice from the person who isn’t doing the things you want to do or living the life you want to live.

If you want to learn martial arts you go to a school where you learn from a black belt. You know he is a black belt because you can see his ranking (proof) you will also see other signs of his certification such as trophies, awards…but basically you will see visable signs of proof that he is capable of teaching you.

You need to talk to men who get women and start doing the things that they do and start behaving like a man who gets women."

I do recall reading jvesti words on some posts or threads...I think he seemed like he had his head on very straight.

I've never gotten through a entire Pook post, just the first 2 paragraphs. He is a great thinker and writer. But I have never seen any proof!!!

For me proof is everything. Which many on this site should heed. Remember that wackoff Starman? A total keyboard jockey with no life.

Thanks for the comments I can agree with some of your thoughts and ideas.
 

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Originally posted by Player_Supreme

I know women JonE. My experience is from life, not just reading some words put out by men whom we know nothing about. I believe none of what I hear and half of what I see on this internet. You got guys putting up photo's of girls they are not even boning and trying to say that they are left and right.

Experience is the best teacher. I know for a fact that nice guys don't win over bad boys. I'm 45 years old. I've been the nice guy long ago. I do what actually works. As I said I don't have fantastic good looks to rely on. I only got a 8.9 or 8.5 on that hot or not site. I guess I'm considered very good looking. But I don't rely on it.
I base my actions solely on first hand experience. I may read what others have contributed and use some of that info to apply to a situation and analyze it, but I agree, I only use what I know works for me and 98% of the stuff on this site and the internet DOES NOT WORK FOR ME.

Would you rather sit at the head of the table or underneath it licking a womans feet?
This is where Im disagreeing with you now and where I disagreed with you in another thread. My definition of a "nice " or a "good guy" never licks a woman feet. Thats not a nice guy, thats an AFC wimp. My definition of a nice guy is just what someone mentioned earlier: Denzel Washington. He's a testosterone charged man's man, he doesnt take any $hit, he's firm but at the same time he's a friendly, approachable "nice guy" and anything but an assshole.


There is no such thing as overqualifying to a woman in my game. You forget my background. In my world I want the women bowed and cowed at my feet. I want them intimidated. Cause I know how to lead them to where I want them to go once they are broken down.

These women that you meet in these clubs got their heads way up in the clouds, there are so many chumps hitting on them left and right.

Their own personal value goes throught he roof. Then I gotta come along and devalue them to put their heads somewhere near a normal orbit.
Ive been with women like that and I personally dont enjoy them. There not real, they're not fun, they think they're something they're not and it gets old real fast. That may be part of the reason for your success with it. I, on the other hand, have the ability (skill?) to completely dominate and intimidate if I chose to but for the women Im attracted to its not necessary. I dont have to make them cower at my feet to take complete and total control over them they are already willing to do for me whatever I say. So what's the point? A difference in tastes in women I suppose.

Sorry I actually make it a point to never read anything by anyone from this site. No offense to Pook. Who is a wonderful writer and Jvestis.

I do not know these men nor their actual experience. As I've seen none of it shown. I am careful whom I will read and listen to.
You really should, your missing out on a plethora of great information, which is a rarity on this site. (or anywhere on the internet.) Neither Pook nor Jvesti offered their own personal experiences in those threads, but only sound logical reasoning behind why this stuff works backed up by several credible sources. I remember the first time I read "The Secret of the Jerk" I had about 2 dozen "Ah-Ha's" where so many missing puzzle pieces fell into place. It answered so much it was unbelievable. I was able to start to see the matrix and explain why all the things I had seen and done before worked. Those threads arent advice or opinions, but reasoning that you can judge for yourself. You can always take it or leave it.

You deserve it to yourself to read them P/S, I promise you wont be disappointed.
 

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Originally posted by Jon E
I only use what I know works for me and 98% of the stuff on this site and the internet DOES NOT WORK FOR ME.
Note: The 2% that does work for me, I found in "The Secret of the Jerk" and in the "T-Theory".

For me, that stuff is gold.
 

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Sliding in the convo.

PS, you don't look 45. Way to pull off the time machine. Fooled me.

I can't commiserate on the topic of looks, but I know that only serves, In My Arrogant Opinion, to "bait" her. After that, it's feelings. And much like our forefathers, they want to know we're still something of a hunter and caveman.

I had a girl, who's attracted to me and likes the sex, but is considerably younger say she was upset cuz I let her slide. I won't go into the details, but I wasn't handling my shyt right. In her words...

"I was getting angry because I was doing things you were supposed to catch me on and didn't. I don't want to know I can get away with everything all the time."

From the horses mouth. Stressed w/work, friends, and moving, I really didn't care much about what happened. Then we had an arguement and she came out in honesty.

Bottom line, it's not being a TRUE azzhole to me, but a MAN, whatever your definition is. I will also agree with, PS, on the topic of articles. I like the writers, and some of them are friends, so I support their positions and "know" in fact what they are. Some I don't.

Our opinions are based on the beliefs we hold, so I won't argue that point, where it's pointless anyway. If it's working, it's working.

I will also state from the horses mouth, women are questioning to a point, this metrosexuality trend. Super effeminate girls, don't necessarily want super godly men. Buff, bulky, toned, but masculine. The occasional facial hair day. A hat. A mixed up wardrobe. I could only liken this trend in superbeauty of men to that of women NOT focusing on their bodies, their looks, or themselves. Imagine if the whole female race started doing roids? Or began dressing like thugs in baggy clothes? Would women still be attractive?

Taking care of yourself is priority number one, just don't blurt out that you do it, or even leave stuff like that out in the open. I have a friend who modeled for a time period, and still could, that wears foundation to cover blemishes. It takes him as long as girl in the background. Despite all this, women respond to his personality best. He's the true blue mixture of azzhole/good guy. He gives rewards every now and then, but calls a girl on her BS.

Being a man is part of the attitude, a mindset. Supernice doesn't go over well, particularly with women who have been around lots of brothers or a strong father. She'll seek out what she's used to. If you pander below that, she'll eat you alive. The girls like that know how to BS around with men and not be squeamish about sex, jokes, drinking, or partying.

As a HUMAN being I think being respectful is first and foremost, and certainly, I won't cut on somebody if they haven't given me reason (i.e. dirty look, poor comment), but I won't be overtly nice for the sake of humanity. This isn't charity, it's mating and dating. And while women might fake right up front their emotions, behind that they're talking about the size of our ****s, how good in bed we are, whether we brought them flowers, if we're too nice, and on and on and on.

To me...they're one big test, day in and day out, seeing if we're deserving of their 'eggs', or their 'legs'. The only way to know this is to spit lots of BS at us and lots tests of our temper, jealousy, strength, intelligence, and manhood. It ain't right, but how else would a woman know if we're for real?




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