When your gut feeling is unsure….

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Well had the first date with the girl from this post: http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35425

Anyway, we met for a bite to eat after work. Now the whole conversation (with the exception of me asking about her job and family) seemed to go back to the last 2 guys she’s dated. She talked about the AFC stuff they did and how they were wussies. That’s the only things she brought up about them was literally the AFC moves that are discussed here daily. Now normally when a chick talks about her ex’s it’s a red flag but this seemed different to me.

Now in the post I linked above, I came to the conclusion that the questions she asked me when I first met her was a test of sorts. And that was sort of confirmed because (I’ll busted her chops all night about stuff) I cracked a joke about it and she said something to the effect that girls with a kid turns a lot of guys off. Anyway, I’m having trouble gauging her interest (good EC, smiles, she fidgeted with a napkin while we spoke, had open body language, etc.). The weird thing (and this is partly my fault—hey I’m working on it) is we never talked about hobbies or what not and she really didn’t ask me anything personal. I did a good job of keeping her talking about herself so she knows virtually nothing about me. I could get more detailed but I’ll save it in case something needs clarified.

Now since I couldn’t gauge her IL I just gave her a hug. After the hug we stood there talking some more so then I walked to her car with her while she was talking. Told her I had a good time, said she did too and that was it. Yes, as I mentioned before some of this was my fault. As post title says, my gut feeling is hinging on not sure but I kind of feel she has some interest. I’d like to take her out again but the problem is she only has Saturday nights, and Wednesday evenings free (unless she gets a babysitter). So my quandary is should I call her to set something up for next wed or are these plain and simple red flags?
 
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I would never mess with a girl with a kid. She is looking for a father to keep around.

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That sucks you're not sure if she digs you or not. I've found that if a chick digs me, then I know 100%. The times that I'm sure are when they aren't interested.
 

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Originally posted by Julian
I would never mess with a girl with a kid. She is looking for a father to keep around.

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Her ex-husband is involved with their kid so I'm not worried about that in this particular situation but I do agree with you that some are like that.
 

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I see nothing wrong here. If you're cool with the kid and realize that you will become like a father figure, and it sounds like you are cool with that, then go for it. Call her back and ask her out again. She'll say yes.
 

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Eeeek! Sounds like the 1st date with my 3rd girlfriend. Single mother, talking a lot & negatively about her ex's... Same thing happened to me at the time. I got no clear IL vibes from her until about 2 weeks into the relationship (about 4 or 5) dates. She started showing interest after I gave her clear signals.

Taking into consideration she has a kid, the original questions she asked you (in your other thread) were obviously to qualify you. She want's to know if you're LTR material, before the 1st date? That in itself is a mega red flag. That indicates that she's looking for someone to latch on to. Dumping on you immediately about her ex's is another. Probably unstable, relationship-wise.

My advice: If you really like her, proceed with extreme caution. Take your time. The likely reason you can't pick up high IL from her, is that she's still qualifying you as LTR material. Her mind isn't made up yet. She's making a rational descision about you, rather than letting her attraction lead her. Don't let yourself get cornered into any type of commitment. She'll likely hold back on sex as long as she thinks she can get away with it, because I'm sure she's specifically looking for a LTR.

Hope this helps.
 

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Originally posted by ZeeOwl
"Dumping on you immediately about her ex's is another."

--She didn’t go on and on about each and everything detail about her ex’s but only mentioned the truly AFC thing that on had said and one had done. Still a red flag no less but it wasn’t anything like the ‘he bought me this or we used to go here” kinda stuff. But you have a great point.


“My advice: If you really like her, proceed with extreme caution. Take your time”.
--Yes this is the plan.

“The likely reason you can't pick up high IL from her, is that she's still qualifying you as LTR material. Her mind isn't made up yet. She's making a rational descision about you, rather than letting her attraction lead her.”

--Again you raise another great point. <chuckling> about the ‘rational decision’ versus attraction.

“Don't let yourself get cornered into any type of commitment. She'll likely hold back on sex as long as she thinks she can get away with it, because I'm sure she's specifically looking for a LTR.”

--This makes perfect sense. Seemed like the evening was spent testing me which is why we really didn’t end up talking about hobbies, likes/dislikes, the normal kinda stuff. Thanks everyone for your replies and thanks Z for that breakdown. Much appreciated everyone.
 

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Just a little update (which caught me off guard): at my friend's house watching the pittsburgh/dallas game. Cell rings and it's her. Says " I don't remember saying thanks so wanted to say thank you..blah blah blah.." So I set sumthin up for next week. But don't worry Z...slow and low.....
 

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Originally posted by 1utfan1
Just a little update (which caught me off guard): at my friend's house watching the pittsburgh/dallas game. Cell rings and it's her. Says " I don't remember saying thanks so wanted to say thank you..blah blah blah.." So I set sumthin up for next week. But don't worry Z...slow and low.....
Sounds like you are in the drivers seat. Don't forget that you can downshift if necessary ;)
 

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I reckon go for a second date, Even if you know she dosent like you, see if she accepts, atleast you can gain experience from it, so you cannot make the mistakes again. I have been out of the game for a awhile and im just taking it easy gettin my touches and senses back into track. Also if it goes good you can always proceed :) and let your imagination run wild.
 

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Originally posted by 1utfan1
Cell rings and it's her. Says " I don't remember saying thanks so wanted to say thank you..blah blah blah.." So I set sumthin up for next week. But don't worry Z...slow and low.....
Sounds like you passed her LTR evaluation. Set something up for next week, huh... You're a wiser man than I was. ;) Wish someone had given me that advice back then. Though honestly, I probably would have ignored it. It was one of those love at first site things (only time it ever happened to me). I was so into this woman, my brain was Jello! lol
 

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Originally posted by ZeeOwl
Sounds like you passed her LTR evaluation. Set something up for next week, huh... You're a wiser man than I was. ;) Wish someone had given me that advice back then. Though honestly, I probably would have ignored it. It was one of those love at first site things (only time it ever happened to me). I was so into this woman, my brain was Jello! lol
Well I feel like I'm backsliding into AFC mode now and then with her. I'll get to specifics but let me say this, I don't have one-itis for this chick but this dating a girl with a kid thing is new to me so I'd like to get as much experience from it as a I can.

Well originally I set something up for this week for our 2nd date, I called her back with specifics and she mentioned that she is available on other days before next Wednesday (original day for date). She has told me that her daughter spends the night with her ex on sat. nights so I said something like “oh so you want to see me sooner that wed”. So I took a chance and made something for Saturday night. Went mini golfin and I continued to bust her chops (all C&F stuff). Tried some kino but didn’t reciprocate. She didn’t avoid me though either..weird. Didn’t seem bothered by it but didn’t reciprocate. Got done mini golfin and went and got something to eat. Dropped her off and made an afc comment <kicks self> about how she’s hard to read, etc, etc. So I just gave her a hug and left. I was a little aggravated by her behavior so I think I let that get to me a little.

Sunday night my Cell rings and it’s her. I don’t answer it because I was at a friends (we were having a couple adult beverages) and didn’t feel like talking. On the way home I checked the voicemail. Said she was thinking how I said I couldn’t read her and “just wanted to say she had a good time” the other night. WTF. So anyway, last night (Monday), I call her back chit chat and setup something for Wed night. So my question, waste of time or she just have this mega shield up?
 
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Originally posted by 1utfan1
I don't have one-itis for this chick but this dating a girl with a kid thing is new to me so I'd like to get as much experience from it as a I can.
You are a wiser man than I was! :D Also, be careful not to get attached to the kid too soon. That was another mistake I made (I love kids). Made the breakup twice as painful.
Tried some kino but didn’t reciprocate. She didn’t avoid me though either..weird. Didn’t seem bothered by it but didn’t reciprocate.
Probably doing the "hold back on sex as long as she thinks she can get away with it" game on you. Typical behavior for a chick specifically looking for a LTR. Mine right out told me "I've always gotten physical too soon in the past. I want to take things slow with you.".
Said she was thinking how I said I couldn’t read her and “just wanted to say she had a good time” the other night. WTF.
Sounds like she wants to be in control of the situation, but doesn't want you to Next her. She's giving you incentive to keep up the chase...
 

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Great insight Z,

I havn't met her kid yet, she mentioned how she let one guy meet her daughter too soon and she was going to not let that happen again. I guess what I'm struggling with is how to break down her defenses enough to see if she's interested because i'm close to nexting her. Not sure what to do....
 
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Originally posted by 1utfan1

Now since I couldn’t gauge her IL I just gave her a hug.
You need some major work here. A good DJ should be able to evaluate IL within the first 30 seconds or so of convo with a date. If you haven't figured out IL despite being on a WHOLE entire date, you need to go back to the drawing board.

secondly, don't date single moms. NEVER:D . Why settle for that BS when you can just as easy go find a chik without a kid. Much less hassle and BS to deal with.
 

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Re: Re: When your gut feeling is unsure….

Originally posted by myfriendblu
You need some major work here. A good DJ should be able to evaluate IL within the first 30 seconds or so of convo with a date. If you haven't figured out IL despite being on a WHOLE entire date, you need to go back to the drawing board.

secondly, don't date single moms. NEVER:D . Why settle for that BS when you can just as easy go find a chik without a kid. Much less hassle and BS to deal with.
Well, I agree about the 30 second thing under past experiences. But since this is my first time dating someone with a kid, there seems to be exceptions to the rules I'm used to. While I'm aware of your thoughts towards dating women with a kid(s), as I mentioned before I’d like to get as much experience from this as possible. I don't necessarily feel though that women with no kids are less of a hassle or less BS to deal with. They just have it in different areas IMHO. Appreciate the feedback everyone. Thanks.
 

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Re: Re: Re: When your gut feeling is unsure….

Originally posted by 1utfan1
But since this is my first time dating someone with a kid... I don't necessarily feel though that women with no kids are less of a hassle or less BS to deal with.
In GENERAL, women without kids are much less hassle than women with kids. If I were you, I would try and get the odds as heavily stacked in my favor as I could. I wouldn't want to make an already difficult task (LTR) any more difficult than it already is(by inviting kids into the picture).
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: When your gut feeling is unsure….

Originally posted by myfriendblu
If I were you, I would try and get the odds as heavily stacked in my favor as I could.
Yes, this is tricky and part of what i'm struggling with.
 

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Step up the sex before you get LJBF. Not necessarily sex itself, but sex talk etc. Get her horny & thinking of you sexually. I would be concerned you haven't kissed yet...
 

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Originally posted by bugsquish
Step up the sex before you get LJBF. Not necessarily sex itself, but sex talk etc. Get her horny & thinking of you sexually. I would be concerned you haven't kissed yet...
I have thought of this as well. ZeeOwl made a good point before:

“She'll likely hold back on sex as long as she thinks she can get away with it, because I'm sure she's specifically looking for a LTR.”

I do agree about getting her thinking of me in a sexual way. If I would have gotten a better IL read I would have went for the kiss. I think she's just being cautious but you make a great point and I will think of a way to address that. Thanks.
 

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