What's your oppinion on DocLove? Is he right as he thinks he is?

[NoMoreMisterNiceGuy]

With time I have found that the approach he teaches guys won't work at all, but given another circumstances that same woman would give me the chance to get to know her...
for example i would ask a woman on the street for her home phone number and she won't give it to me but the same chick would give me the chance if I first ask her for the cellphone or email and then work it from there....


he always claims that the Interest Level of her is there at the very first 5 minutes and if its not then "hasta la vista baby"
he says that cold approaches don't work...once I emailed him telling him how discouraged I was from time to time cuz street approaches were so tough, no show ups, fake numbers etc ...to which he replied "You CANNOT pickup strangers" ...
in my experience by twisting things a little bit the way you think you can get some impressive results...

has anyone else of you guys experienced something similar ??

 

[Fatality]

I don't believe that the interest level is always there within the first 5 minutes. It has taken me weeks to become attracted to certain girls.

Am I the only one annoyed about how he titles his articles something like "Would Ben Affleck or Bruce Willis do this"? As if since they are celebrities they are experts with women.

 

[AlwaysExcel]

I used to be all about him as he was my first intro to this stuff. I even bought his crappily formated 1st System. However, now I suspect he's an armchair theorist aka Keyboard Jockey. He never talks about his experiences in the field but always refers to his "interviewing 1000's of women." He also says stuff like you mentioned that seems straight up false or at least really distorted. His method includes some ok concepts but it's really just basics. I get the vibe that he's more of a salesman than anything with all of the misogynist talk to get guys riled up, the cheesy way he writes his articles "My cousin Sal the Fish says....", and the way that he insults students when he can't find a good reply.
Two thumbs down on Doc Love now.

 

[FunnyCide]

I'm glad someone else has notice how annoying Doc No Love's articles of "Would Denzel ........?" I personally respect the writings and ideas of the experienced DJ in the bible. I feel like they've all been through the AFC hell that everyone can relate to and therefore show AFC's the way out. For Doc No Love, I definitely give him two thumbs down and one finger up.

 

[Interpol]

He's a douche

 

[DharmaBear]

Plus, what about that annoying picture of his, with the dog and the crap license plate? No good. He looks like a total tool, too.

 

[squirrels]

Originally posted by NoMoreMisterNiceGuy
he always claims that the Interest Level of her is there at the very first 5 minutes and if its not then "hasta la vista baby"
he says that cold approaches don't work...once I emailed him telling him how discouraged I was from time to time cuz street approaches were so tough, no show ups, fake numbers etc ...to which he replied "You CANNOT pickup strangers" ...
in my experience by twisting things a little bit the way you think you can get some impressive results...

You CAN'T pick up strangers. You HAVE to establish some kind of rapport first. Unless you're drop-dead gorgeous and women just fall all over you anyway.

Trying to pick someone up without having sufficient rapport is pretty much the creepiest thing a guy can do. It says to a girl, "I have no rapport with you, I know nothing about you. The only thing I know about you is that you have a vag!na, and based on that alone, I want to date you." It shows low value on your part because you're not qualifying her at all AND it shows that you're just interested in a warm meat-hole. Most women, even the slutty ones, don't want to be thought of as just a meat-hole.

That's why these PUAs who do "cold approaches" focus on generating or at least SIMULATING some kind of rapport with the girl. Have some curiosity about her...find common ground. Things you can get into about her. Smile, be physical, build a reality for the two of you. Once you've established that kind of rapport, THEN get the phone number.

There is no such thing as a "cold approach". By the time you go to close, you should have already warmed her up so there's nothing "cold" about getting her contact information.

 

[diplomatic_lie]

Originally posted by DharmaBear
Plus, what about that annoying picture of his, with the dog and the crap license plate? No good. He looks like a total tool, too.

Everyone knows a car, license plate with "DOCLUV", and a dog in a photo represents how much of a DJ you have.

He reminds me of that other writer on Askmen, that mafia wannabe guy. The one who sounds like he's watched too many mob movies.

 

[MindOverMatter]

He reminds me of that other writer on Askmen, that mafia wannabe guy. The one who sounds like he's watched too many mob movies

Haha that guy is such a dork. Always talking about his crew and how he keeps them in line, ya right. He's prolly working at Denny's

 

[Gremlin]

i have to agree with squirrels. But there are some things that the doc says that are true. But you'll find all the info that are in his books right here on this site.

 

[MindOverMatter]

I enjoy reading Doc Love, not because of his advice (which can be found here for free...) but because he always rips into the guys. That magnitude of ball breaking always makes me laugh.

 

[NoMoreMisterNiceGuy]

Re: Re: What's your oppinion on DocLove? Is he right as he thinks he is?

Originally posted by squirrels
You CAN'T pick up strangers. You HAVE to establish some kind of rapport first. Unless you're drop-dead gorgeous and women just fall all over you anyway.

Trying to pick someone up without having sufficient rapport is pretty much the creepiest thing a guy can do. It says to a girl, "I have no rapport with you, I know nothing about you. The only thing I know about you is that you have a vag!na, and based on that alone, I want to date you." It shows low value on your part because you're not qualifying her at all AND it shows that you're just interested in a warm meat-hole.

That's why these PUAs who do "cold approaches" focus on generating or at least SIMULATING some kind of rapport with the girl. Have some curiosity about her...find common ground. Things you can get into about her. Smile, be physical, build a reality for the two of you. Once you've established that kind of rapport, THEN get the phone number.

There is no such thing as a "cold approach". By the time you go to close, you should have already warmed her up so there's nothing "cold" about getting her contact information.

she should let you establish rapport right ? ... if you start talking to her and she seems distant and like has that "don't bother me" body language or says no thanks ... how long you stay in there? till she says no ? (when walking in opposite directions for example)


how you handle this street approach, chick walking towards you.

me: Hi
she: huh ?
me: I'm in this neighbourhood. My name is XYZ ...whats yours ?
she: Why ? .... what for ?

 

[The TallOne]

I used Doc Love at first... I guess it was a newbies entrance into the 'awakening'.

I stick with DD's material now. He talks about his experiences, he is atleast respectful to his writers, and his interview + ebook is alot better than the system. (I never bought the system mind you, I am going off from reviews and such.)

I still read his weekly column, to see what else he comes up with.

I used to believe in his 7 day rule.. I now make it 3-5. 7 Days does two things.. first it shows that you are rude (imo) plus the girl's interest might have dropped since then.

Even though, DD's take on when to call is when you think that the attraction level would rise.

 

[Bonhomme]

Sod the "7 day rule"

I don't even think it's good to wait more than 3 days to call.

Gals are hip to these games, anyway. If she's really interested, do you think she'll mind if you call her 2 or 3 days after getting her number? Often they even call me first ... typically the next day or 2 days later.

A lot of his other info is just basic stuff. Don't take crap, don't spill your guts, don't overdo the attention. Good for de-programming a total chump, but not as advanced as the best stuff here .

 

[Giovanni Casanova]

Doc Love is a moron. But a broken watch is still right twice a day.

The occasions that he is actually right about something are overshadowed by all of the times that he is not just wrong, but HOPELESSLY, CLUELESSLY, FATALLY WRONG. He is a shyster first and foremost, and he makes his money off of guys who are clueless and lost. He preys on that vulnerability. He sets up his concession stand in the middle of the desert and sells salt water to travellers dying of thirst.

 

[Dukester]

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova
Doc Love is a moron. But a broken watch is still right twice a day.

The occasions that he is actually right about something are overshadowed by all of the times that he is not just wrong, but HOPELESSLY, CLUELESSLY, FATALLY WRONG. He is a shyster first and foremost, and he makes his money off of guys who are clueless and lost. He preys on that vulnerability. He sets up his concession stand in the middle of the desert and sells salt water to travellers dying of thirst.

those are some nice associations giovanni- pretty hilarious.

personally, i think the guy is decent. but you are right, he's just in it 4 the money, he dont care about how guys lives turn out. most AFC guys who go to him are too blinded to realize that what he tells them isnt exactly right.

Once they realize taht his shiznit aint helping n e. things will begin to change for his busineess

 

[DeathDealer]

7 day, 3 day, 5 day rule. whatever. A week is not so bad, I don't do it on purpose either, I just don't feel like calling a girl until a week later.

 

[AlwaysExcel]

Re: Re: Re: What's your oppinion on DocLove? Is he right as he thinks he is?

Originally posted by NoMoreMisterNiceGuy
she should let you establish rapport right ? ... if you start talking to her and she seems distant and like has that "don't bother me" body language or says no thanks ... how long you stay in there? till she says no ? (when walking in opposite directions for example)


how you handle this street approach, chick walking towards you.

me: Hi
she: huh ?
me: I'm in this neighbourhood. My name is XYZ ...whats yours ?
she: Why ? .... what for ?

I'm not master at this yet but the way I understand it is that you should stay in until she becomes interested or until she walks off. Hell, Geoff from mASF claims to have pulled even when the girl said something rude and walked off.

As far as cold approaching, do a search for openers or approaches on here and www.fastseduction.com You can do it direct or indirect. After "why? what for?" you could go indirect--"because I wanted your opinion on what women like more...." or direct---, "because you're beautiful and I wanted to meet you" I'm still somewhat unclear about how the direct approaches work though so do your own research.

 

[NatureGuy]

He understands the concepts better than anyone I've ever seen. I've been very impressed with some of his interpretations of events (in his tips), and I can think of several that have really helped me out.

 

[squirrels]

Re: Re: Re: What's your oppinion on DocLove? Is he right as he thinks he is?

Originally posted by NoMoreMisterNiceGuy
how you handle this street approach, chick walking towards you.

me: Hi
she: huh ?
me: I'm in this neighbourhood. My name is XYZ ...whats yours ?
she: Why ? .... what for ?

It's a weak approach to begin with.