What to do about tension?

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Obviously the very word sounds negative. There is crazy tension between this girl and me and it's been going on for months now. We aren't dating and we aren't buddies (thankfully) but there was a spark for a while and basically I have found that 'blowing' this girl off has made things very awkward.

It's not quite sexual but there have always been elements of a connection between us...which lead to us going out on a couple of awesome 3-hour-ish dinner dates. I was starting to fall for her and the vibe was in the air that she was feeling me too...but I never made a physical move...even after the second date. In fact, we never even hugged...the goodbyes were weird even though the conversations, eye contact, etc, were great. The girl is shy and I get the sense she is not very trusting--it would appear as though she hasn't been out with anyone since we went out a year ago.

But I'm shy too...and had suffered through a failed long-term relationship that ended a year before. But in the process of cutting off contact with my ex I started to learn a bit about the game...to play aloof, to never tell em how you feel...to never call too much or be clingy. I put all of this into effect and balanced it with enough nice guy charm to get her to go out...and she melted during date number 1. We had EVERYTHING in common.

But I still had the AFC nice guy in me and was afraid to make a move at all...afraid to hug her even. I guess my weakness showed and confused her. In a botched effort to show some level of interest I bought her a small x-mas gift (this is all from last year)...she appreciated it and loved it...but it just felt awkward.

But that was about a year ago. Then our schedules started to conflict and I got the impression that she was starting to make excuses about the third date....so I stopped asking.

I barely saw her over the holidays but when she came back to school from the xmas break her interest appeared renewed. We ended up at the same club and she was touchy from jump. I decided not to make a move because she was kinda drunk. It was good that we were finally touching-- but it felt too late. At least we were physically 'normal' around each other...or so I thought.

At this point I am still playing aloof because I was offended that the third date never happened.

I would see her a couple times a week and every encounter would be awkward in its own way, with me playing like I don't care that she is in the room and with her coming to me or initiating a hug. But then sometimes it would be a handshake....tense.

I mean, I can't ***** at her or complain or tell her how I felt...And I can't avoid her or else I appear bitter.

The following months would just be weird...I would play aloof, she would come off as lonely and I would start to feel she wanted me to ask her out. I would not. The longer I distanced myself from her the more attention she would show me (she works near my house so all of our interactions were at her work). But I refrained from asking her out
And here we are...it's a year later...I just saw her tonight at a club. The sight of her ruins my night because I never know how it will go and it raises my stress level because I do like her. I hugged her, caught up with her for a few seconds and then hung out some friends. It was just awkward again.

Anyhow...I'm still single but it's not like I'm not talking to other ladies. But I really would like to kill the tension here. If she was my ex then this would all be fine and expected. If we were friends, there probably wouldn't be any tension.

Is there something I need to do here because blowing her off is not exactly working or making me feel better. Do I need to game her? Should I tell her that I WAS interested and/or address the tension? I wouldn't if it was a new girl...but this has gone on forever. Do I have anything to lose?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Are you still interested in her?

Yes: Then do something about it!

No: Stop worring about her.
 

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AMP UP THE TENSION!!!

It was so ON with this girl it's not even funny.

Next time your at the bar and she's there... situation permitting try some of the following :

- At the next good song I'm taking you to the dancefloor. (You know she likes you, so any complaint just say "I wasn't asking."

- Say, "I need another drink." Then grab her hand and walk her to the lineup to get another beer.

- if you get her on the dancefloor just kiss her.
 

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Originally posted by Kaptain
Are you still interested in her?

Yes: Then do something about it!

No: Stop worring about her.
I am still very interested. I've just been playing mysterious/aloof because I discovered that going TO her wasn't working like it used to. She's basically my one-itus...and it's been that way since before I even knew what that term meant. Fortunately, my natural instincts are to play it safe so I seldom reveal anything...which does get the girls talking. I know this one doesn't quite get me. I guess my post was inspired by the fact that I didn't want to come off as weird or bitter...so I want to kill this tension.

I read that link re: Ganji Games. Very useful. I tried that on her inadvertantly, again because of my whole protect-myself nature.

I would continue to see her every couple of weeks in random places. I know she thinks about me here and there and has nothing but good things to say...but she would never call me out of the blue. It wasn't that way when we were doing things and I don't expect her to just tip her hand now.

Anyhow...I maintained my whole Ganji Game until about a week ago when I saw her at this concert for the first time after 2 months. I found that the momentum of her coming to me was gone. I was kinda disheartened because at one point it was just us at the bar and I leaned in to talk to the bartender and completely ignored her. I thought I was coming off as bitter...


But I guess I'm sort of lost at this point...I saw her last night and I initiated the hug and it felt great. Then I sort of went on my way, back to ignoring her because again, I didn't get the sense that she was coming to me anymore.

Just to clarify...you have to actually be SEEN by the girl in order for you to be freezing her out, right? I took 2 months off and it sort of killed the momentum of her coming to me...I think it came off wrong...maybe like I was afraid of her. I think that had she been in my presence and been able to see the game up close, it would have been different. Lesson learned?
 
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Originally posted by So pimp its scary
AMP UP THE TENSION!!!

It was so ON with this girl it's not even funny.

Next time your at the bar and she's there... situation permitting try some of the following :

- At the next good song I'm taking you to the dancefloor. (You know she likes you, so any complaint just say "I wasn't asking."

- Say, "I need another drink." Then grab her hand and walk her to the lineup to get another beer.

- if you get her on the dancefloor just kiss her.
I agree that the next move has to be a real move...likely a physical one. I already have shown her what I can do in a relationship through our dates. I am kinda happy that I did back off when I did. I am going to continue to freeze her until I see some kind of sign. But what should I look for? It can't be her asking what I'm up to or approaching me at a bar (that already happens).

When does the ignore game end? Cause the tension is pretty heavy.

re: your suggestions:

-neither of us can dance though there might be a cute little angle in there somewhere
-I used to buy her drinks...I don't find that effective with her at all...though I have never tried to use it to make a move
 

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Don't look for a sign. Look for a time where there is motive and opportunity... since you already have motive...

WOAH WOAH WOAH!!!! I said to drag her to the lineup... NEVER did I say to buy her a drink. This girl is too close to next material to deserve drinks.

These are the exceptions to the NEVER EVER BUY GIRLS DRINKS rule :
- You've seen her naked, or better. (Cause she's not using you, and you already get sex so she can't think of it as buying her pu$$y)
- It's her b-day (in North america) it's ritual to get the b-day person drunk as fvck (18-20 or 21-23 in US)
- You've been sitting and chatting for long enough that you both finished your drink and are going to continue the conversation regardless... then only when you offer.

Because of that, I have litterally have had more girls buy me drinks than I've bought for women... not by a large margin, but the point remains.


As for the dancing... if she uses that she can't dance as an excuse :
"Either can I... but that doesn't stop me from pretending... Also, I wasn't asking. I am letting you know that when the next good song comes on I'm gonna bring you to the dancefloor."

(Keep in mind I have burnt myself once with this one because the woman really just didn't want to dance with me period...)
 

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your like this big bear....

Originally posted by jarobe
I am going to continue to freeze her until I see some kind of sign. But what should I look for?
[:rolleyes:]Skywrighting?

Maybe she could wear a sign that says kiss me you smuck?
[/:rolleyes:]

By your own admissions she is sending you positive sings all the time.

Originally posted by jarobe
When does the ignore game end?
When you want it to end! It sounds like you are using "freezing" out as an excuse not to do anything.

Originally posted by jarobe
I saw her last night and I initiated the hug and it felt great. Then I sort of went on my way, back to ignoring her because again, I didn't get the sense that she was coming to me anymore.
Your a MAN. Your special power you can ACT. She gets in your face and says "What have you got, Big Boy":

a hug

I would say that your lady is a little confused and is waiting for YOU to DO SOMETHING!

See So Pimp's post for some ideas about what you could do ;)
 

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Thanks for the reply, So Pimp.

I agree with you on the buying drinks issue and fortunately I have had more girls buy me drinks than vice versa as well.

I am getting good signs from this one...I guess my main problem is not seizing the opportunities when I have them. I like some of the angles you have suggested to take action.
 

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Re: your like this big bear....

Originally posted by Kaptain
[:rolleyes:]Skywrighting?

Maybe she could wear a sign that says kiss me you smuck?
[/:rolleyes:]

By your own admissions she is sending you positive sings all the time.



When you want it to end! It sounds like you are using "freezing" out as an excuse not to do anything.



Your a MAN. Your special power you can ACT. She gets in your face and says "What have you got, Big Boy":

a hug





I would say that your lady is a little confused and is waiting for YOU to DO SOMETHING!

See So Pimp's post for some ideas about what you could do ;)
I suppose I have become a hug-a-bear of late. Ironic, cause I don't like hugs. But I didn't want to come off as gay, given the fact that I already did so well in the platonic, getting to know her phase. And handshakes just seem so weird at this stage.

I agree with you 100%-- I am using freezing as an excuse to not do anything. The fact that we connected initially (and that her interest came back after I tried to next her) is making me overanalyze Thankfully I never confessed feelings...but yeah, something needs to be done. Everything is getting so awkward.

I guess it boils down to I HAVE TO take control and do something. But any suggestions on how to act around her in the meantime, before that opportunity arises?
 

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it's only awkward if you make it awkward. Truth is there is no need for the tension, but it exists only because you exude it and she'll feel the same vibe and will react the same.

Why play aloof? if she's interested and you're interested, then just be straightforward with your actions/interactions. I dont have the slightest clue why people even bother with games when most of the time there isnt even a need for it.
 

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You play aloof to show the woman that you can live without her... it's the opposite of what most guys do... act desperate. That difference makes you stick out in her mind.
 

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just beat off a lil, that will help with your tension :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by So pimp its scary
You play aloof to show the woman that you can live without her... it's the opposite of what most guys do... act desperate. That difference makes you stick out in her mind.
Say no more...a lot of insecure girls end up pulling that move, truth is they were already interested in the guy from the get-go.
And when that happens usually the guy just figures 'she's just not that interested', and moves on. Her mistake.

Whoever said not being desperate means being aloof? As long as someone isnt needy/clingy/validation seeking and gives each other space, truth is both sexes will do fine.

The problem i see is some people are afraid of getting their ego crushed by being afraid of showing their desires....because of fear of rejection. stop being insecure and low self esteemed and be a true man.
 

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Originally posted by ScrewIt
Say no more...a lot of insecure girls end up pulling that move, truth is they were already interested in the guy from the get-go.

The problem i see is some people are afraid of getting their ego crushed by being afraid of showing their desires....because of fear of rejection. stop being insecure and low self esteemed and be a true man.
I suppose you have had some luck being more forward (minus being clingy, etc). I am curious as to how have gone about breaking the ice when the girl is playing defense as you described.

Assuming I can keep my own ego in check, what do you think are some good ways to step it up with a girl you now know pretty well? (It's so much easier to put in on the line when you just met her and have less to 'lose')...
 

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Just go and game her already.

Why are you freezing her out for?
My best advice i can give you is to game her and do some kino escalation and compliance tests. From your post seems like you haven't kinoed her much in your first 2 dates. (I personally believe you should have kissed her 1st or 2nd date the latest) Its only awkward if you are in such a state or else it wouldn't really feel awkward.

O and if its sexual tension thats a reall good thing and you should be taking advantage of that.
 

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Originally posted by Distant Light
Just go and game her already.

Why are you freezing her out for?
My best advice i can give you is to game her and do some kino escalation and compliance tests. From your post seems like you haven't kinoed her much in your first 2 dates. (I personally believe you should have kissed her 1st or 2nd date the latest) Its only awkward if you are in such a state or else it wouldn't really feel awkward.

O and if its sexual tension thats a reall good thing and you should be taking advantage of that.
I'm sort of good at getting to the comfort stage with gals these days. And I'm all about kino escalation too-- that's great advice. I have been doing it with this one and she has been pretty comfortable with me touching around her shoulders, even leg, in passing. Most girls appear to be cool with me touching them after a few positive encounters. I just wish I knew this a year ago.

For analysis sake...here's a quick look inside a meeting with the particular one...

We'll see each other after a week or longer and her eyes will light a bit and she'll smile (she has a great smile so there may be an element of courtesy there so I take it as face value). Then her posture opens slightly...and I kind of look at her hands real quick and she looks at mine...as if we're both checking to see if it's going to be a handshake, hug, or nothing. I keep telling myself to just go with the flow...but I always overthink it in that moment.

If I were her buddy, it would an instant hug (she does this with every other dude she works with or knows from school). With me, it's...different....I take this as a positive thing...and if she wanted to avoid me, she would never come to me or bring me up to others.

I also notice that when her room-mate is around...the roomie sort of backs off and it's like it's just the two of us left to figure things out/size each other up. It's as if I don't owe the room-mate anything beyond a smile and these two girls know it. Clearly, girls talk...and clearly they don't get me.

I've just been trying to work it so it's less awkward and so it becomes more of a sexual thing. Hence the minor touching...it seems like I'm on my way.

In any event, I have about a handful of others in close proximity to keep me busy. That's a big change from when I took this one out before. But at the end of the day this has become as much about conquering my own failure as it has about getting a girl I like.
 

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jarobe you are your own worst enemy.

Stop analysising and thinking.
 
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