What the hell is wrong with you guys?

[Knight's Cross]

LDR's, Sleeping with WAY Older chicks, texting as primary communication? Aren't all of these buffers? Is this what's come of things? Where's VU and Rollo when you need them? I mean really men? What has gotten into you all. I haven't read a good post about a true DJ pick up in awhile. I guess I have to go out and sarge just to post some good field reports. Well I'm on it. At least my excuse is I'm working my a$$ off building my empire.
Arrrrrrrrrrgh...I had to go back several weeks on the forum to find worthy posts with insight.

KC

 

[DoubleA]

KC,

It's obvious that none of the vets are posting with really good material.

Most newjacks aren't following the principles. Those you name gave principles that will be useful regardless of time.

Personally, I think most experienced guys are practicing these methods without posting...almost graduating it seems.

I've done the same. Is this a dead site? I think not. The young guys need more tutoring. O think they are there in the General Don Juan Forum. Everybody else is S.O.L. , not unless they start doing searches for the Mature Man Forum on subject matter.

- AA

 

[STR8UP]

You must have missed the memo.

Kindly direct any future "Sosuave sucks" posts to that "other" forum where all they do is post about how bad Sosuave sucks.

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

[mtbbkr111]

There are two sides here (to the mature forum at least)..

1) There are guys (25+), who are getting into the game a bit later.. They don't go to clubs on a regular basis and are out of college and work full time. So their face time with women is not quite as abundant as that 21 yr old student in school and at the bar 4 times a week.

- BBuuttt.. They also probably have not completed the boot camp orread the DJ bible in its entirity. They take bits and pieces of this site and mash it together.. This ends up in low quality posts.. Mind you there is a learning curve, Which brings me to my second point..

2) The good field reports from the more experienced members, as well as the good reports from the guys on the far side of the curve.. This forum is definitally lacking in these. I'll admit, I have a few reports as of recent that I have not posted.. I guess it's more of an assumption that we are all out there meeting women, and we only post when we have a blunder, slump, or what have you..

We should all have at LEAST 1 FR a week; good or bad.. And when it's bad, we can all laugh at our own experiences..

Cheers,

 

[KontrollerX]

You must have missed the memo.

Kindly direct any future "Sosuave sucks" posts to that "other" forum where all they do is post about how bad Sosuave sucks.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Indeed.

Word on the internets is the unnamed forum will single out and ban posters for "not getting out there" effectively bullying members into "improving" or else they will lose the ability to post.

It might sound like a good idea on the surface yet the hypocrisy cannot be ignored as not one of the regular members or the admin himself has posted any proof of game whatsoever.

No pictures or videos of the admin proving that his "wife" is not imaginary and no proof from his roster of sycophantic bullies that they possess game either.

Despite all this the unnamed forum enjoys a policy of singling out its own members to attack and humiliate all in an effort to get eachother united in a common cause and create comraderie and community in an extremely negative and sickening way.

Most of these people I'm sure also think that pouring an alcoholic's alcohol down the drain will cure alcoholism and that if they insult their girlfriends enough and destroy their self esteem enough that will either motivate the girl out of anorexia or obesity because in these simpleton's minds crushing someone's self esteem completely is the world's #1 motivating force and not the fastest path towards further self destruction.

These people simply don't understand that the best thing you can do to help someone is offer your knowledge and support.

Anything more than that is unproductive mean spirited bullying.

 

[piranha45]

Dissed!

 

[darkstarrr]

KC

times change people change culture changes. what we have here is a general sampling of peoples experiences based on who they are, how they interpret the world (which is based on their experiences, upbringings and genetics etc).

basically what i am trying to say is we are in the midst of a generation change. there was a sudden spike in the divorce rates over a 5-10 year period. when there are times of depression and suffering and people have kids those kids are raised fvcked up. and those kids grow up to raise kids who are potentially more fvkced in the head.

nowadays so many people have serious fvkcing problems. you meet a girl and you want to have a normal relationship with but she does not have the mental capacity to hold it down without instinctively wanting another d1ck up in her. so we in turn adapt by coming to the conclusion that we should just sarge and meet all these girls, as many as possible and just f them all and spin plates.

50 years ago on average how many men did a woman sleep with before she got married compared to now? the guys out there with great field reports are probably too wrapped up in their own lives to take as much time as you might have come to expect to post all their wonderful stories on here.

dont worry though they are out there and as some of us, the ones who have suffered and experienced hell on earth - which has resulted in us reaching out for help and finding this board,, when we read your thread about what is going on here we realize that there are times when we ourselves can have field reports, whether or not we report them.

so we take the advice, we learn and try to adapt to a broken culture. we are just like ants with legs that grow back but they keep getting torn off, so sometimes we are going to walk slower. we know how things were moreso in the past, we know how things can be in the future. we strive to be our best and live our lives with the least amount of pain and suffering.

and so comes the wave of folks who have been torn limb from limb emotionally. we are here to learn and better ourselves. and we are thankful for the veterans who remind us from time to time that in the midst of the misery we sometimes experience that we have come to know as a normal part of life, that there are lights at the end of the tunnel.

 

[KarmaSutra]

These people simply don't understand that the best thing you can do to help someone is offer your knowledge and support.

Anything more than that is unproductive mean spirited bullying.

When have I done anything BUT help all guys out? You're better than this childish finger pointing nonsense.

Aside from coming here to call out TheRealSupreme, it's posts like these which make me turn my back on these "Game intent only" forums.

I have changed men's lives in the real world. That is real life. That's growth. This is bullsh!t posturing. Am I going to be chastised by you or anyone else because I post predominantly on another forum? Fvck no. My contributions to SS are here for all to see and learn from. Those same contributions are recognized and appreciated at NLG (you're goddamned right I said it out loud).

I'll continue to and I'll help guys who need to get their start on forums such as this.

 

[Knight's Cross]

Let me digress: What I'm seeing is a general trend towards guys putting up with total BS from women. Text messaging.....bad idea. Other than,"Hey I'm in a meeting and I'll call you later". It's a buffer that ALOT of women will use to control their options. LDR's: Come on....what guy with options goes there as far as a new relationship? Optionless = Necessitious.
Older women? I'd swing up about a year or 2 but really...STR8UP I'll call a spade a spade. You have been like a mentor to alot of new members, and I usually enjoy reading your posts. I'm not being a hater, but I can't imagine why given options that you would go up to the age that you have been posting about. Even for a FWB set, I just don't get it? Never mind the fact that this sets a precedent for all the new members.
Look gentlemen, this site has truly enrichened my understanding of the game. I'm not trying to be the bully or hard nose. I'm challenging all of us to get off our collective butts and work some game. That includes myself. While it may be a numbers game, I'll throw away #'s that are not suitable. I ask that you do the same.
When I read about guys putting up with nookie napalm, or other mind scrambling devices thrown by the enemy that they fall prey too, I'm dissapointed that the graduate staff doesn't mentor them back on the trail. THAT's what my original post was about. Not being a," Ohh everyone knows you shouldn't do that" But as some posters above have mentioned, we refer the new guys back to the bible, back to the original words of Pook, and VU and the like.

KC

 

[squirrels]

I wonder if sometimes people INTENTIONALLY get themselves into these situations to PURPOSELY complicate their interactions with women, JUST so they have something unique to talk about on SoSuave.

A couple of things have happened. First of all, the "golden age" of this forum has passed. The primary knowledge-base is all consolidated. Those who really want to know how to deal with women can find everything they need to know on the front page or the Juan Bible. Everything else is personal application...trial and error.

Second of all, the "Mature Man" forum has become a refuge for people who want to persist in thinking that their problems with ladies are somehow "more complicated" and the simple advice that has helped hundreds of men before them is somehow not good enough for them. They use the label "mature" to make it sound like their issues and the solutions are somehow a "level above" the basic advice. That's often used to justify ignoring the advice and doing "AFC" things that go against the basic tenets of dealing with women, under the claim that the old basic advice is "just for kids".

Finally, this forum, like any resource for girl-advice, is deviating from its primary purpose. Most of the people on here now are more interested in being the next Pook and coming up with some deep philosophical insight from their dealings with the ladies than actually DEALING with the ladies. There are no mysteries of life hidden in dealings with women. They're NOT complicated. They're simpletons. All men and women are simpletons when it comes to attraction. They follow their emotions...rational thought gets in the way. If you're spending too much time strategizing, then you're doing it wrong. When dealing with women, grab your balls and shut your brain up...reduce its role to interjecting a spontaneous insight or direction once in a while, rather than taking over and running the show.

 

[TheHumanist]

oh no... Take cover!

15 page flame war here we come....

 

[squirrels]

oh no... Take cover!

15 page flame war here we come....

People get angry when exposed to the harsh light of reality.

It's a final line of defense, and one step before enlightenment.

 

[reset]

Word on the internets is the unnamed forum will single out and ban posters for "not getting out there" effectively bullying members into "improving" or else they will lose the ability to post.

Unfortunately this is true, except I feel I am improving greatly, even after being denied access to the other place.

I'm not going to comment on any of the guys at NLG by name, because the majority of them I respect and admire, and I have no intention of burning bridges. And many of them came to my defense. I just can't join in their conversation anymore since I have been banned. And I really don't want to be someplace that tells me I'm not up to par and that I lose my posting rights like I'm a child. I guess I'm "first level" or "main level" for now.

Not to derail the thread. Basically, MM was great once but it lost most of its members to other places. That and the ten post rule. This doesn't mean SS sucks, it just explains why there is not much going on here lately.

Frankly, I don't find it necessary to post all my interactions with women anymore. Like a previous poster said, it's assumed that we have a certain level of knowledge and we only post if we have a serious issue we need some input on, and in my case, ask questions, seek clarification.

I think there's a place for talk about all things masculine in a general sense, which is what I enjoy. There's also a place for talking just about PU. A few times those two ideas have merged and it hasn't been pretty, either here, or at the other place, because some men STILL think they only have value in this world if they are getting HB10's validation.

 

[Janez]

some of us just outgrowed the rules. some of us found out there is no rules. for who I should not send sms to a girl if I find this most convenient way? most easy, least stressful. I live life for myself, and I have own crosses to handle.

I came to this place to find the magic about the women. It was 7 years ago. At that time I had no idea into what I am going. It was stressful situation for me and very wrong time to start "fake it until you make it" confidence. If there was not the stressful situation I had dealing with the police and the court at age of 18, it would be easy for me to handle women etc.......

But life brings what it brings and things changed. There is no rules. There is no right way. Everyone has own motives, energy, enjoyment, etc. Why put all this on women, when "when put all life on woman, you lose everything when she is gone".

Life changes fast. America changes. Few years ago everything was about being "alpha", being "though" guy, blah blah. We could see and buy this sh*t from media, from MTV, etc. But after chewing this info, after trying to be the though guy, after faking everything.... Well all I can say is that I went through alot of sh*t in my whole life and alot of good experience. And I am still happy to read these boards if there is something interesting or ask for advice some great people on this forum.

And getting women is a piece of cake anyway. All it requires is to have some life inside and have something to offer. Then go around, find women that you can best communicate with, let yourself be horny/funny/whatever. Have the balls to escalate.... and she is yours. If you want theoretical knowledge, read the bible 10034204 times, and if you want some ass, get out and try it. But It can be painful.

And KC', with all respect, your post here don't bring any much quality either. It will be posters that might give some quality to this thread.

Good day to everyone

 

[STR8UP]

Older women? I'd swing up about a year or 2 but really...STR8UP I'll call a spade a spade. You have been like a mentor to alot of new members, and I usually enjoy reading your posts. I'm not being a hater, but I can't imagine why given options that you would go up to the age that you have been posting about. Even for a FWB set, I just don't get it? Never mind the fact that this sets a precedent for all the new members.

It seems a lot of members are concerned about some of us vets "rubbing off" on the new blood. I say they can take care of themselves.

As for my post, what I really meant to ask was "How old would you go for sex" not "How old would you go for a FB". Bad title....my mistake.

But seriously, what the hell difference does it make anyway? I don't in any way shape of form condone becoming exclusively involved with a woman that is even MY age, let alone in her 50's. I look like I am in my late 20's. Why would i want to get saddled to someone my mom's age when I can still pull chicks in their 20's? It was put in front of me. A freebie. It's just a NOVELTY.

I think people take things WAY too seriously lately, and I have no idea why there are so many complaints. If you don't like the posts, stop coming around. I might do that myself soon since I have been getting tied up with work and such.

 

[mikeraw]

I joined about 3 years ago. I don't post advice because I'm not arrogant enough to think that I can advice others on original stuff... meaning that the little that I have mastered is readily available on this site, so why reinvent the wheel or regurgitate others' words? I'm here to LEARN...

Anybody that dedicates some time to learn the ins and outs of this forum should be able to tell three things right off the bat:

1) There WAS a golden age in this forum and it happened a few years ago

2) You can tell who the brightest and most insightful posters are

3) Even the best and brightest posters go through rough times where they trip and fall


Not a single one of the big names on this forum is correct 100% of the time. Some argue with each other and confuse the new ones. Everything should be taken in context of the DJ Bible.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

What did you want to address in particular KC? Issues? LDRs? Principles and gender roles? Or did you want to discuss why you're seeing little more than "not in my case" schemas, excuses and rationalizations for why the Buffers most of these same posters are comfortable in maintaining for themselves?

I can answer that right now; Because, as most poor debaters will do when presented with a valid, well posited argument for which they have no come back, they resort to attacking the debater rather than the argument. They'll ably poison the well, build straw men to knock down and then, like the women they emulate and feel a need to identify with, retreat to the affirmation of a like-minded peer group sharing their same ego-investments.

But if you had something more specific in mind, please, start a thread and discuss.

 

[Knight's Cross]

Squirrels,
Right on man. You have definitely hit the target. ITS all so DAMN simple, too often I agree, when you are overthinking it, you are wrong. As well I think that the gender de-identification that most modern man has led him to this precipe. HE acts like a woman, wondering what if, and how he feels, and if she feels the same way, etc. What utter BS. It's as if the Oprafication is complete, we see the younger SS (and even some older) act this way.

Janez, I don't agree. My post as well as yours Sir are valuable. We all contribute. I just want us to MENTOR the new into where they can be, and not where they are trapped by their mental programming.

STR8UP, Hey it wasn't a smackdown on you, I'm commenting on a few posters here, call it a smoke alarm post if you will.

RT,
It essentially boils down to buffers. Recently there's been a rash of posts that are indeed avoiding the fact that they are dealing with them.
I'll give some idea to a specific thread topic. Argument, I see your point. Too often pride doesn't allow most to think and articulate rationally their positons.

KC

 

[KontrollerX]

To Karma all I can say is I've made it clear in the topic thats now been deleted that my posts do not apply to people I am cool with from both sites. Its a small number on NLG that I'm cool with. The rest are people that were banned here and sycophantic trolls that fingz keeps around to worship him and to them and fingz my posts do most definitely apply.

I know the guy is one of your heroes Karma but he shamelessly took part in the bullying and banning of reset from his site and he's bullied a ton more people on this site with alternate accounts.

The guy is scum in my book and sure I can respect your right to disagree with that even if I don't understand it.

I mean come on if you are going to be an admin and take part in that shameless bashfest of reset Senor Fingerz should then take it upon himself to post proof of his own "game". Lets see multiple photos of him and this "wife" of his. Lets see the same for posters that called reset out over there. If that site is going to call reset out for having no life lets see them prove they have a life especially your admin.

I believe 100% you are genuine Karma but the rest of that site? the trolls and sycophants on it I'm not cool with and Senor Fingerz? Not at all bro. Not at all.

"LDR's, Sleeping with WAY Older chicks, texting as primary communication? Aren't all of these buffers? Is this what's come of things? Where's VU and Rollo when you need them? I mean really men? What has gotten into you all."

Most of the posters creating these topics are either new or guys that came back as they didn't learn their lessons during the Pook era.

Apparently Bible quotes, Shakespeare and the mindless fake it till you make it positivity can only get you so far.

As for where those of us are who can set things straight?

Why bother?

Some NLG moonbat is just going to arrogantly stroll on in and call us "negative", "bitter" or someother shaming term or they're going to b!tch about most of the advice being "next her bro" even if its repeatedly warranted due to all the n00bs and people from the Pook era coming back.

Never mind giving their own stirling advice we're NLG we'll just b!tch and moan and hope that changes something when it hasn't the last 50 billion times we tried it.

We're too lazy to make topics and posts bringing the change we'd like to see so we'll b!tch and whine and cry and retreat to our own forum and b!tch and moan and cry about how bad this place is yet we'll keep coming back to it every day using up all our 10 posts its so bad.

"Most of the people on here now are more interested in being the next Pook and coming up with some deep philosophical insight from their dealings with the ladies than actually DEALING with the ladies."

No, its your admin fingz who wants to be the next Pook which is why when he got his opportunity via Allen's unpopular 10 post rule decision he swooped in to save the day and made his own forum where finally he can be the center of attention and whats great for him is most NLGers are clueless to his real motives for making the site and think he's a genuine swell guy who just did you all a favor. Wake up already. The guy is a bully who removes good people like reset from his site for not improving the way he'd like him to improve all the while leaving trolls like skip the pimp and all those other scumbag clowns unbanned who participated in that shameful topic of lets all humiliate and bully reset under the guise we're doing it out of good intentions and for a good cause.

Who you NLGers trying to fool?

You did it because you needed something to unify behind, something to hate and push you forward since the lets all hate Rollo bandwagon ran out of steam.

Seriously stop bullying people to take your advice, stop banning people for not taking your advice and just do the hard work of coming up with some new g0ddamned ideas. No more of this lame ass utterly transparent preying on people's sense of tribalism my team is better than your team type of bullsh!t.

Grow up already.

And though I've replied to a specific post in here from an NLG member I'm moreso talking to the 90% rotten core of NLG as a whole than simply him with this post.

P.S: Even if bullying seems warranted for any situation its still not going to change anything in a poster's life so there's still no legitimate reason to do it other than to get that old tribal group feeling going of we're better than so and so. Its stupid and unproductive and doesn't lead anywhere good.

It makes someone thats already in the gutter feel even more like sh!t and they'll self destruct even more.

Again it doesn't lead anywhere good to bully or humiliate people you want to help.

 

[reset]

Just for your info I'm having a hell of a time. All the time I spent here and learning from the posters we all know and love have most definitely been put to good use. I've advanced big time in my own estimation, now I keep going. It doesn't stop, you keep going. I am my own barometer.

Some guys are late bloomers. So what. You are where you are then move from there.