What leads to certain race(s) of guys being undesirable to women in a society in the first place?

[Guy69JackBlue]

The border between the empire of Charlemagne and that of the visigoths ran through here. After that the Moors arrived from Spain, controlling an area that extended north of Toulouse. Places like Castelmaur (Castle-Moor) and Castelsarrazin (Castle-Saracen) still bear witness to their presence. When they were driven back south the area came under the control of the Counts of Barcelona, who later got themselves promoted to Kings of Aragon.

History of the Languedoc in the South of France

the moors ( Arabs ) were not as present as they were in Spain for a super long period , but they still were in south of France

prior to that , the Carthaginians ( the ancestors of the moors) were there till the romans conquered France from them

then you had the conquest of Algeria, and the French protectorate of morroco and Tunisia , which was for like 100 years…which brought a lot of Arabs in France , then from the 60s when they retired , they had immigrants coming from there

This reminds me of my uncle (by marriage, not genetics) who always thought he was full Italian... Then he recently did an ancestry test and found out he's part North African.

Which for some reason bothered him a lot. But I'm pretty sure some of his ancestors were from Sicily so it makes sense.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Your belief that you are is the reason. Change the questions you ask your self and you can change your life.

 

[Bigpapa]

This reminds me of my uncle (by marriage, not genetics) who always thought he was full Italian... Then he recently did an ancestry test and found out he's part North African.

Which for some reason bothered him a lot. But I'm pretty sure some of his ancestors were from Sicily so it makes sense.

sicily was under Arab domination a lot , so Sicilians dna wise are quite different than the mainland Italians

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

sicily was under Arab domination a lot , so Sicilians dna wise are quite different than the mainland Italians

Also Norman "Vikings"

 

[Bigpapa]

Also Norman "Vikings"

Dunno about this , but I would guess that it was only for a brief period of time

the Arabs were there for a way longer period of time than the Vikings for sure , that is why Sicilians are darker than the mainland Italian

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Dunno about this , but I would guess that it was only for a brief period of time

the Arabs were there for a way longer period of time than the Vikings for sure , that is why Sicilians are darker than the mainland Italian

Norman conquest of southern Italy - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Bigpapa]

Norman conquest of southern Italy - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

ye man , that is why Sicilians do not look 100% Arabic , because they were mixed with different cultures

this why also why morrocans , Lebanese or Tunisians are not 100% Arabic looking , even though they were almost the entire time under Muslim rule , because at some point Europeans were there and mixed with the local population

 

[SW15]

I constantly hear on sosuave that Indian men are the least desirable in many parts of western society and everyone hates them, heard that in other places too. It gives me the impression that with Indians, good looking women seemingly come together and decide that one race is going to be ignored.

It seems to play out in real life too because I never see Indian guys get hot girls of other races.

Many a man says how Asian and Indian men are undesirable to women but I am talking more about how that actually came to be the case in the first place anyways, like how did society come together and decide or what made women come together and decided to see certain races as low value.

NOWAG (No One Wants Asian Guys) is a real thing.

Urban Dictionary: NOWAG

the sad reality faced by millions of asian men when they discover 1.white and hispanic women are not attracted to shortness, nervous personalities, submissive behavior and poor muscle tone. and 2. asian women are heavily desired by other races so that not only to they strike out with women of...

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White and Hispanic women are generally not attracted to East and South Asian men.

A lot of East and South Asian men work in STEM occupations and have weak social skills. That doesn't help their cause.

White and Hispanic women are quite desired, especially White women. Men of most races pursue White women.

Then you have Hispanic guys who seem be disliked in a lot of the southwestern states.

Hispanic men do well with Hispanic women. The most challenging thing for Hispanic men is that they are often sub 5'7" or 5'8".

A subset of Hispanic men have criminal records and multiple tattoos, which can serve as a turn on for women.

Hispanic men are more masculine and more confident than East or South Asian men. They are also less beta-tized from white collar pansy stuff as compared to a subset of White, American men.

 

[King Lion]

I am not talking about the guy himself but what makes attractive women in a given society come together and turn against men of certain races.

I constantly hear on sosuave that Indian men are the least desirable in many parts of western society and everyone hates them, heard that in other places too. It gives me the impression that with Indians, good looking women seemingly come together and decide that one race is going to be ignored.

It seems to play out in real life too because I never see Indian guys get hot girls of other races.

Then you have Hispanic guys who seem be disliked in a lot of the southwestern states.

Asian guys used to be associated with being undesirable to a lot of western women although I see that changing these days.

But my question is, what is the process behind all of this?

Like I feel that some PUA came out and said Asians and Indians are undesirable, everyone agreed, and then just went with it. I wonder what leads to all of that though.

Many a man says how Asian and Indian men are undesirable to women but I am talking more about how that actually came to be the case in the first place anyways, like how did society come together and decide or what made women come together and decided to see certain races as low value.

Even when PUAs throw out race as a "setback" and list certain races as "lower" races, how do they determine all of that?

Is it all based on what race can get the most hot white girls?

Adaptation to Environment & Natural Selection.

When Indian males gain a higher social profile and increase their clout and numbers in the West that is when they will likely gain more attention from chicken-head materialistic western oriented females.

I don't think it's a really racial thing, just a socio-economic and cultural conditioning thing. We all have the right to pick, choose and refuse who we are attracted to.

But if it is solely a racial thing, or solely an economic reason for some to accept or deny - You're probably much better off without them anyhow!

Genesis 2:18
Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.”

If they can't, don't, or won't try to be a 'helpmate' to a man - They're a hindrance!

 

[Bigpapa]

NOWAG (No One Wants Asian Guys) is a real thing.

Urban Dictionary: NOWAG

the sad reality faced by millions of asian men when they discover 1.white and hispanic women are not attracted to shortness, nervous personalities, submissive behavior and poor muscle tone. and 2. asian women are heavily desired by other races so that not only to they strike out with women of...

www.urbandictionary.com

White and Hispanic women are generally not attracted to East and South Asian men.

A lot of East and South Asian men work in STEM occupations and have weak social skills. That doesn't help their cause.

White and Hispanic women are quite desired, especially White women. Men of most races pursue White women.



Hispanic men do well with Hispanic women. The most challenging thing for Hispanic men is that they are often sub 5'7" or 5'8".

A subset of Hispanic men have criminal records and multiple tattoos, which can serve as a turn on for women.

Hispanic men are more masculine and more confident than East or South Asian men. They are also less beta-tized from white collar pansy stuff as compared to a subset of White, American men.

i still think that the main problem with being part of a certain race is that all other races ( except for the white ) are considered inferior from a social economic standpoint

most ****t1 jobs in most white countries are done by black , Asian , etc

sure , you have a subset of very skilled labor other than white , but this are not the norm at all

that is why people of other races have more problems , because they are seen from the get go inferior

imagine now a black \ Indian / Asian etc guy , that is dressed shapely , is socially calibrated and looks healthy and fit . For this guy for sure most women will not have any objections about him for being of whatever race

they do not like the color per se , but what the color represents

but again , this guys are the minority

At the end of the day , no decent woman wants to f8ck the guy that grills the burgers at McDonald’s , no matter what race he is

 

[HaleyBaron]

i still think that the main problem with being part of a certain race is that all other races ( except for the white ) are considered inferior from a social economic standpoint

most ****t1 jobs in most white countries are done by black , Asian , etc

sure , you have a subset of very skilled labor other than white , but this are not the norm at all

that is why people of other races have more problems , because they are seen from the get go inferior

imagine now a black \ Indian / Asian etc guy , that is dressed shapely , is socially calibrated and looks healthy and fit . For this guy for sure most women will not have any objections about him for being of whatever race

they do not like the color per se , but what the color represents

but again , this guys are the minority

At the end of the day , no decent woman wants to f8ck the guy that grills the burgers at McDonald’s , no matter what race he is

Funny that you bring this up. Since jewish people make up a lot of the wealthy positions today, I seldom see good looking jewish men (harvey weinstein swimming in actresses). And the women are sometimes passable.

So economic wise, I would put jewish people at the very top above whites. I want to put jewish into the same camp as middle eastern, too. They share a lot of traits with arabs, and I don't care being called racist for that either. Experience and studying says enough.

 

[SW15]

At the end of the day , no decent woman wants to f8ck the guy that grills the burgers at McDonald’s , no matter what race he is

No decent woman will LTR the guy who grills burgers at McDonald's. However, if the McDonald's food prep guy has tattoos and a criminal record, he'll generate interest from women and get a good amount of sex from them. He'll have more sexual options that most middle income white collar workers.

Since jewish people make up a lot of the wealthy positions today, I seldom see good looking jewish men (harvey weinstein swimming in actresses). And the women are sometimes passable.

So economic wise, I would put jewish people at the very top above whites. I want to put jewish into the same camp as middle eastern, too. They share a lot of traits with arabs, and I don't care being called racist for that either. Experience and studying says enough.

Judaism is a religion. Jewish people are usually white.

 

[Bigpapa]

Funny that you bring this up. Since jewish people make up a lot of the wealthy positions today, I seldom see good looking jewish men (harvey weinstein swimming in actresses). And the women are sometimes passable.

So economic wise, I would put jewish people at the very top above whites. I want to put jewish into the same camp as middle eastern, too. They share a lot of traits with arabs, and I don't care being called racist for that either. Experience and studying says enough.

the problem with Jewish people is that they are quite cheap , and being cheap is not a sexy thing for women

 

[Bigpapa]

Judaism is a religion. Jewish people are usually white.

Depends what type of Jewish people

those in Israel are quite Arab looking, while those in the rest of the world are quite white

 

[HaleyBaron]

Judaism is a religion. Jewish people are usually white.

No they aren't. They're jewish until otherwise. I'm not kidding here. I've always asked jews if they were a race, and I always got very different answers. Sometimes they were jewish, and sometimes they considered themselves white. Jews have little eurocentric traits and a lot of arab traits.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Depends what type of Jewish people

those in Israel are quite Arab looking, while those in the rest of the world are quite white

The Dutch and Italian jews will tell you that they aren't white, at least from what I know so far. They always say they were jewish first and foremost.

 

[HaleyBaron]

I concur. The religion is synonymous with the blood line.

This has been my constant observation with jewish people. Whenever the word is used, it refers to them as "a people" and also as a race. And no jewish person, none, not a single one, has told me otherwise or even given me clarification if they are a race or not. They never give me a straight answer. Even googling it...

 

[IKO69]

The short answer is they are misfits and losers.

They are detested for the same reasons men in other races are.

Human nature doesn't change guys. Women, no matter where they are positioned globally, look for handsome, strong, successful and charismatic.

 

[Degenerate Haven]

I have noticed a lot of race complaints from Asian and especially Indian guys, to some degree Arab and Middle Eastern guys too. Having been around a few in big city settings, I notice that there are some differences between how they are and act versus guys from cultures that do better. You have to be in the thick of things with them and see them run game in order to conclude that ethnic appearance alone is not an issue.

Not to say it doesn't matter based on area.

When I was in San Francisco, white women there absolutely despised Indian men. A lot were even open about their hatred despite being the kind to stick up for social justice and vote Democrat. It was a sight to behold for sure but if it is of any consolation to Indian guys, the dating scene in San Francisco is awful and the women quite hideous. I don't notice similar animosity on the east coast and midwest. But Indian and Asian men are not doing themselves any favors, here are some things I notice.

Very passive-aggressive and in self-denial about what they want in life, especially with women.

I have an Indian friend with terrible game who women want nothing to do with. Now he harps on about how game and dating are overrated and there is more to life than all of this because guys who engage in casual sex and nightlife are just throwing their lives away. I see this attitude a lot from Asian and Indian guys where they want hot girls and that player life but they realize they cannot have it so they act all sour grapes about it. You'll see it on forums full of them too, the whole "more to life than p*$$y" nonsense cope. I think it has to do with their culture where parents beat them down a certain path so naturally, Indian and Asian men are in denial about their own wants from life.

Built terribly.

I do see Asian men picking up their game and a lot of them do look good these days. Indian men look like garbage, they are either fat, really skinny, or just have no care for their own physical appearance. I have never seen one that looks jacked or has a nice aesthetic body. Not sure why but Indians hate all things athletic and working out, they also eat a lot of fattening garbage.

Toxic annoying whiners.

I had an Asian friend who was like Bobby Lee in his behavior, dorky looking dude but not funny. He'd go out and go on and on and on about how much girls hate Asians as we ignored him until we had to hear him out because he was so persistent about being heard. Indian guys are worse with it, they will shout it from the top of a mountain and never lift a weight in their lives. You see it a lot from incel forums but even more in real life. Toxic crybabies that even other men want to stay away from.

Weak and non-assertive.

My Indian friend has had women into him but he fails to capitalize because he is weak. Society already beats men down for approaching, its much worse in India.

They drag each other down.

I have had Asian and Indian friends that broke the mold and got girls. The outcome was that men of their own race were super jelly and hated them. My Indian friend who was with this blue eyed raven haired chick that looked kinda like Megan Fox had a coworker who was higher up but on another team that tried to get him fired. The coworker was an older Indian dude who would harass him non-stop about his relationship and drop passive aggressive comments about it, super bitter guy. Eventually, we had to get HR involved but the doofus would not stop.

I have seen it a lot with my Asian and Indian friends that approach hot girls at bars too, older men of their background or dorks of their background will cut in to stop them. Imagine having only friends of your own race if you are a guy of either race.

It all comes down to bad parenting where you are raised by bitter dads.

I think Asian and Indian dads are usually losers that never had any game experience so they try to restrict their kids. This leads to their kid ending up socially stunted. IMO, they prolly do it on purpose by not letting the kid play sports or engage in masculine activities.

 

[MatureDJ]

Umayyad Caliphate did not control southern France for any extended period like they did in Spain.

In fact, way more recently than that, white French people lived in Algeria until Algerian independence in 1960 and the white French went back to France.

Yes there are lots of Muslims in France today but it's not because of anything that happened centuries ago... It's because of immigration taken place in the last 10 years or so.

They did control the Septimania region for a while.