What leads to certain race(s) of guys being undesirable to women in a society in the first place?

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

not going to lie, there's this decent looking and jacked british indian guy in our group and I've never seen him pull a girl lol.

 

[Woujo]

If your a Muslim dude. It's game over, you ain't getting much Western VG

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. There are so many women in the West that have a thing for brown guys.

Also, how would they know you are Muslim? Are you in the middle of the club yelling Allahu Akbar?

 

[soulforge]

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. There are so many women in the West that have a thing for brown guys.

Also, how would they know you are Muslim? Are you in the middle of the club yelling Allahu Akbar?

You out of your mind.. Please learn the difference between brown guys & a brown guy that comes from Muslim background.. I am talking about the UK experience here!

Girls will immediately vet the fuk out of a guy if he has a Muslim type of name

What's your name? Muhammad... OK you can bet your azz 8-10 woman will walk away.

There might be a minority of girls who will have sex with a Muslim dude. However long term, marriage, LTR? Hell no.. Them woman know Muslim dude isn't going to give her a inch of freedom to hore around

 

[ThisIsSparta]

You out of your mind.. Please learn the difference between brown guys & a brown guy that comes from Muslim background.. I am talking about the UK experience here!

Girls will immediately vet the fuk out of a guy if he has a Muslim type of name

What's your name? Muhammad... OK you can bet your azz 8-10 woman will walk away.

There might be a minority of girls who will have sex with a Muslim dude. However long term, marriage, LTR? Hell no.. Them woman know Muslim dude isn't going to give her a inch of freedom to hore around

High quality women will walk away....... but for every hot women walking, there is a leftover landwale in Europe that uses a needy migrant as her last chance to get pregnant before her eggs dry up. And even beyond that, there are a lot of women in their 40s/50s playing sugar moma for their fvckboy from Tunesia.

 

[RangerMIke]

I really hate these threads on race. In my experience incompatibility has more to do with cultural differences rather than race. I know Black, Asian, Arab, and Indian men do VERY well with white women provided they are at least making an effort to accommodate the culture they are in.

Arab guys I know do very well with white women... strict Muslim (regardless of skin color) men don't... Race and culture are two different things.

A friend of mine, who was raised in an upper middle class neighborhood, with two professional parents, going to private schools, has a PhD in Electrical Engineering who earns a nice living in consulting, does VERY well with white chicks... he gets laid more than anyone else I know, he's always got hot women of all races all over him. Why? He was raised in a white upper middle class culture, and white chicks are comfortable with him. His skin color is actually an advantage... because he is different.

 

[soulforge]

I really hate these threads on race. In my experience incompatibility has more to do with cultural differences rather than race. I know Black, Asian, Arab, and Indian men do VERY well with white women provided they are at least making an effort to accommodate the culture they are in.

Arab guys I know do very well with white women... strict Muslim (regardless of skin color) men don't... Race and culture are two different things.

A friend of mine, who was raised in an upper middle class neighborhood, with two professional parents, going to private schools, has a PhD in Electrical Engineering who earns a nice living in consulting, does VERY well with white chicks... he gets laid more than anyone else I know, he's always got hot women of all races all over him. Why? He was raised in a white upper middle class culture, and white chicks are comfortable with him. His skin color is actually an advantage... because he is different.

I get your point Ranger Mike, but how does a white European woman determine which Arab or brown skinned dude is a strict Muslim or not?

These dudes do not immediately tell a girl how serious he is about religion.

When a white girl gets a sniff of Muslim off a dude, her immediate reaction more often than not is fear.. With all the negative media Muslims get, these girls are ready to walk away, rather than risk getting emotionally involved with a dude who 2-3 years down the line will try to curb her attention hoering behaviour.

A Caucasian western man is a safer bet for her.. She knows Western men are mostly feminised puzzies these days & she feels safe knowing that lol

 

[Paper Crane]

Its just social programming but a lot of it goes out the window when you are a confident, well rounded dude. If you look like you lift, have good stature, a decent smile/face, and the confidence to capture a woman's attention, unless its a hick town, and probably even if it was a hick town, she doesn't' care what race you are.

I go back to the Indian dude who I met who i thought was fugly becuase he legit looked like he could play a wild terrorist in some parody movie. Funniest thing was when this guy showed me his Tinder and he had 700 matches. But even before that I saw his confidence.. dude whipped round the club SOLO and would talk to girls and eventuallytake one home. One of the things he would do is he would be cool with all the bouncers, he'd talk to buncha diff dudes. We'd run into him, he'd talk to us for about 5 seconds and then move around.. and we'd be thinking "breh whats wrongwith dude? " since we hung out with him before and partied at his place and all.. But he just had that energy to him .. couldnt stand still, needed to be everywhere at once

Its funny though because you think based on propaganda and whatever else, it would be Arab dudes who were most disliked.. but Arab dudes usually kill it wherever they go from what i noticed because they just have great looks, I haven't seen one arab dude hit the club who doesnt look like a chad. usually can grow a beard, workout, have some money, model like faces.

I've seen dating games "Smash and Pass" (where 10 or so dudes line up on one sdie and 10 or so girls line upon another side and go down the line saying whether they would smash or pass each guy, and vice versa for the girls).. The one arab dude in the line got 0 passes and all Smash's. I can find the video too. Granted, it was more hispanic and black girls in the video than white ones.

and as far as Asians, Oriental types, it's all dependant on how fobby you are. I think the penis stereotype is the only thing that really bothers women about Asians unless they came fresh out the boat from China or something

In all honesty, I've seen the least amount of Mexican dudes do good at the clubs.. Which is why alot of the big clubs here, u dont see too many Mexican men unless they come in their own group or with their own girls.. OFc, they kill it at the Latin clubs!

 

[MatureDJ]

Not being at least "cute" is Strike #1. Being short is Strike #2. And if you you are ethnic, it's Strike #3, and it's OVER - you're out of here!. Heck, I only have Strike #2, and it's been almost OVER over for me my entire life.

 

[Woujo]

You out of your mind.. Please learn the difference between brown guys & a brown guy that comes from Muslim background.. I am talking about the UK experience here!

Girls will immediately vet the fuk out of a guy if he has a Muslim type of name

What's your name? Muhammad... OK you can bet your azz 8-10 woman will walk away.

There might be a minority of girls who will have sex with a Muslim dude. However long term, marriage, LTR? Hell no.. Them woman know Muslim dude isn't going to give her a inch of freedom to hore around

I am a brown guy with a Muslim background you dumb ****.

Also, if your name is Muhammad, change it. Tell girls your name is Zaquiri spelled like daquiri. **** isn't hard bro.

 

[soulforge]

I am a brown guy with a Muslim background you dumb ****.

Also, if your name is Muhammad, change it. Tell girls your name is Zaquiri spelled like daquiri. **** isn't hard bro.

Wow talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

What type of retard logic are you on? According to you, being a Muslim & getting white chicks isn't an issue, then why the fuk would you LIE (as you suggest) and change your name from Muhammad to something else?

Give your head a wobble son.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Their belief that it is true more than anything. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy

 

[bat soup]

I am not talking about the guy himself but what makes attractive women in a given society come together and turn against men of certain races.

I constantly hear on sosuave that Indian men are the least desirable in many parts of western society and everyone hates them, heard that in other places too. It gives me the impression that with Indians, good looking women seemingly come together and decide that one race is going to be ignored.

It seems to play out in real life too because I never see Indian guys get hot girls of other races.

Then you have Hispanic guys who seem be disliked in a lot of the southwestern states.

Asian guys used to be associated with being undesirable to a lot of western women although I see that changing these days.

But my question is, what is the process behind all of this?

Like I feel that some PUA came out and said Asians and Indians are undesirable, everyone agreed, and then just went with it. I wonder what leads to all of that though.

Many a man says how Asian and Indian men are undesirable to women but I am talking more about how that actually came to be the case in the first place anyways, like how did society come together and decide or what made women come together and decided to see certain races as low value.

Even when PUAs throw out race as a "setback" and list certain races as "lower" races, how do they determine all of that?

Is it all based on what race can get the most hot white girls?

Women are followers, generally speaking. So they'll tend to want men that are considered high-status in whatever country they live in. That may sometimes be white men (e.g. Philippines), but it could also be the opposite in countries where being with a foreigner is considered negatively (for example Korea or Turkey).

Another aspect to consider is that women are generally attracted to masculine men. One aspect of masculinity is strength and things like height, build etc are an indication of this. So, for example, Asians are generally shorter which gives white men an advantage.

 

[Woujo]

Wow talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

What type of retard logic are you on? According to you, being a Muslim & getting white chicks isn't an issue, then why the fuk would you LIE (as you suggest) and change your name from Muhammad to something else?

Give your head a wobble son.

I don't think Muslims have trouble getting white chicks.

But if you THOUGHT think your name WAS an issue, why don't you just change your name? If you told your name was Zaquiri, then how would they know you were Muslim? You are shooting yourself in the foot and then complaining about it.

 

[Georgepithyou]

Many a man says how Asian and Indian men are undesirable to women but I am talking more about how that actually came to be the case in the first place anyways, like how did society come together and decide or what made women come together and decided to see certain races as low value.

Because they are often below average in height and (equipment). This is not being racist these are actual facts based on statistics. It doesn't help that men from these two races are beta af and lack basic social skills. They would rather be studying nerdy things like IT or engineering instead of socialising with others.

Indian men are extremely creepy and would often stare at strangers all day long, these guys seem to lack basic self awareness. Don't even get me started on creepy indian "men" online harrassing white women.

 

[Georgepithyou]

most French men are mixed with Muslims , and are quite dark skinned and have Muslim traits

from what I know , women like a lot French guys

Do you even have a source for that garbage lie your spewing? You seem to have a real habit of spreading misinformation and bad advice on this forum

 

[Bigpapa]

Do you even have a source for that garbage lie your spewing? You seem to have a real habit of spreading misinformation and bad advice on this forum

Man ,dunno what is with this aggressive language , but from what I recall you are the one writing sh1t threads , where you mainly complain about women and other autistic things

if this kills most of your beliefs , then I am sorry for you , but most young French people are not white , they are olive skin ( mainly because of the mixture of French whites with people from north of africa )

If you are interested in the subject , then you can start from here and do your own analysis

also , south of France was under Arab domination for a couple hundred of years , so people there are quite mixed . Same thing with Portuguese and Spanish

France Population 2024 (Live)

worldpopulationreview.com

here is a summary ;

In 2010, 27% of newborns in Metro France had at least a single foreign-born parent. Most French people today are of Celtic origin. The country has experienced large-scale immigration over the last 100 years. It's believed that 40% of France's population is descended, at least in part, from the waves of immigration since the start of the 20th century.

In addition, surveys or polls have been used to determine an estimated 63-66% affiliation in Christian based faiths, a 7-9% affiliation with Muslim faiths, a .5-.75% affiliation with Buddhist faiths, .5-.75% affiliation with Jewish faiths, .5-1% affiliation with other faiths, and 23-28% no affiliation or preference to any faith based on 2015 compiled estimates from the WorldFactbook.

 

[MatureDJ]

It's just hypergamy and the fact that in terms of beauty, White > Middle-Eastern & Latino > East Asian > South Asian & Polynesian > Black > Australian. Thus, women from the lower-beauty races seek out White men, and because White women reject non-Chad White men, these non-Chads find themselves having to dig into the lower-beauty races.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Man ,dunno what is with this aggressive language , but from what I recall you are the one writing sh1t threads , where you mainly complain about women and other autistic things

if this kills most of your beliefs , then I am sorry for you , but most young French people are not white , they are olive skin ( mainly because of the mixture of French whites with people from north of africa )

If you are interested in the subject , then you can start from here and do your own analysis

also , south of France was under Arab domination for a couple hundred of years , so people there are quite mixed . Same thing with Portuguese and Spanish

France Population 2024 (Live)

worldpopulationreview.com

here is a summary ;

In 2010, 27% of newborns in Metro France had at least a single foreign-born parent. Most French people today are of Celtic origin. The country has experienced large-scale immigration over the last 100 years. It's believed that 40% of France's population is descended, at least in part, from the waves of immigration since the start of the 20th century.

In addition, surveys or polls have been used to determine an estimated 63-66% affiliation in Christian based faiths, a 7-9% affiliation with Muslim faiths, a .5-.75% affiliation with Buddhist faiths, .5-.75% affiliation with Jewish faiths, .5-1% affiliation with other faiths, and 23-28% no affiliation or preference to any faith based on 2015 compiled estimates from the WorldFactbook.

Umayyad Caliphate did not control southern France for any extended period like they did in Spain.

In fact, way more recently than that, white French people lived in Algeria until Algerian independence in 1960 and the white French went back to France.

Yes there are lots of Muslims in France today but it's not because of anything that happened centuries ago... It's because of immigration taken place in the last 10 years or so.

 

[Bigpapa]

Umayyad Caliphate did not control southern France for any extended period like they did in Spain.

In fact, way more recently than that, white French people lived in Algeria until Algerian independence in 1960 and the white French went back to France.

Yes there are lots of Muslims in France today but it's not because of anything that happened centuries ago... It's because of immigration taken place in the last 10 years or so.

The border between the empire of Charlemagne and that of the visigoths ran through here. After that the Moors arrived from Spain, controlling an area that extended north of Toulouse. Places like Castelmaur (Castle-Moor) and Castelsarrazin (Castle-Saracen) still bear witness to their presence. When they were driven back south the area came under the control of the Counts of Barcelona, who later got themselves promoted to Kings of Aragon.

History of the Languedoc in the South of France

the moors ( Arabs ) were not as present as they were in Spain for a super long period , but they still were in south of France

prior to that , the Carthaginians ( the ancestors of the moors) were there till the romans conquered France from them

then you had the conquest of Algeria, and the French protectorate of morroco and Tunisia , which was for like 100 years…which brought a lot of Arabs in France , then from the 60s when they retired , they had immigrants coming from there

 

[Bigpapa]

Racism is a lazy and even ignorant place to put things. This is also indicative of the person who defaults to a spoon fed explanation that it’s racism, that he is very ignorant of the nature of women. Unless of course the woman is of the same mind set as he is. Spoon fed idiot.

There are real realities that have to do with this stuff.

For instance, the average Asian man is definitely smaller in height and stature compared to a western man. Same with a Mexican heritage background.

It is easy if you have been to the south west in the states to see that glaring rudeness or rather what would be considered rudeness by other races, can be exuded by the Mexican population. For instance, when shopping for clothes, some will leave the clothing area in complete disarray with clothing messed up and even on the floor. Most western women will actually get angry about openly. That is a cultural division.

Compounded with political forces that also drive division it can create a reality that western women who are also molding and trying to survive in the environment.

Now the media spoon feeds the west the ghetto rat boys in an effort to draw attention and create controversy and at the same time inject stupid, ignorant reasons for the cause of it.

So let’s say a western woman sees and molds to the reality of the violent nature of African Americans there. Or Puerto Rican’s there. Or whatever race you want to inject.
this can be very attractive to some women but as a whole the western woman’s perception of those races, based on the media’s mad dash to maintain ratings, can lessen her willingness to engage. It’s quite unfortunate.
women want safety. Emotionally and physically. This does not mean “the best protector”. It means that the man will carry that environment with him is scary to her.

Again. Jumping to racism is a very lazy explanation and clearly shows a massive lack of understanding of our females. As a whole if I was going to go there, I have found African American women to be very “racist” and are more likely to want her children to be full African American. But I don’t see it as racist. I believe it to be tribal survival adaptations.

Growing up on military bases, I never had a single racial issue. I even went to a grade school were I was only one of a few white kids. Nobody tried to beat us up. Racism has been resurrected by certain powers to create division and even this thread.
I have seen plenty of African American women I would love to sink my teeth in. I’ve only dated one but her family brutalized her for it and thus it was impossible to continue.

As far as Indian culture? Tell them to stop calling me for extended vehicle warranty insurance.

even though you are right in what you are saying , this does not fix the current situation and is not helpful in any way …

we just have to agree that being part of a certain race ( that is deemed unattractive ) brings more obstacles , but for sure is not a legit reason on why you would not have any action at all .

just saying that you are incel because you are Indian or Arabic , or whatever is just bullsh1t . It just means that you have to put more effort into the dating market in order to get what you want from it

it is not easy , but for sure is not impossible