Pook opens his scroll of a post. It unrolls for miles. With a deep breath, Pook begins.
Garp is made to say...
"You guys who are speaking from an holier than thou attitude protecting the holy principles of AD with such religious fervor are idiots, self delusioned to thinking you are in control when you say "men approach" and "conversation focuses on her". Hypocritcal don't you think? You are succumbing to every prescribed societal dating dynamic handed down to you."
Oh, what a Pook am I! To go against the vanities that fury the youth! Oh Wisdom, for you shall forever lay shouting from the streets!
But why stop there? For if what you say is true that we give up our minds to have 'societal dating dynamics handed down to us' then... Here are my eyes; now describe beauty to me. Here are my ears; show me the symphony of Time and Nature. Here is my life; now live yours for me.
Is this not ridiculous? Oh thank the heavens that the Internet was invented now! For if we were still using paper, these 'discussions' would overflow all civilization. Now our posts can run to the infinite degree.
"I would hope that people don't go to a message board to become DJs to get meaning for their life.
Go to a church or something--this is just an exchange of information"
Exchange of information!? Very very few people are interested in information. Let me illustrate:
Pook sets up two people who have different viewpoints on a political topic. He then has them watch the SAME news program that is about that topic.
How now! What are the results?
Almost always, the one of viewpoint A only sees the information he thinks backs his position. The other of viewpoint B sees only the information that HE thinks backs his position.
All is vanity. Is the academic really looking for information? Or is he trying to create an image/career for himself? Are not most people merely shells of ego, merely seeing what they want to see and skating on idealogy?
In the end, one sees that it is chasing wind. For we are all poisoned with Time, and no idealogy will save us. That is why when De la Soul asks me on the Kill the Desperation! thread what my philosophy was, I said there was none. We are all caught within nature's laws and the flux of time. For example, women operate in a certain way that has consistantly defied explanations from men since Time Eternal. But no matter how attractive and sweet our Nice Guy philosophies were, we had to give them up for the truth. And no matter how shattering it is to our world views, we must descend deeper into this abyss.
Since this forum is like the Roman forum where booty was always the focus (they wanted to conquer nations; we want to conquer women), shall we embrace the gentle philosophy of Horace when he says:
Tra la la la, my youth,
Tra la la la, is formed here.
For ESPN says...
Why a INDIVIDUAL cannot have the same PASSION for seduction?Why he cannot use his effort, energy and time to study, learn with other successful people in that area, make this one of his highest ambitions?
When I was a kid, I loved going to the beaches. I was charmed and dazzled by the spectacular sea-shells scattered about. They were so beautiful.
So I collected them. I spent my time collecting the pretty sea-shells. When I got back home, the dazzling sea-shells were gone. All I had was snail-shells and dirty pieces.
And, once again, this same thing occurs to me with women. I thought they were so beautiful. So I collected them. And boy, did I think I was SOMEBODY then! All those pathetic twerps were DATING them and all. I kept comparing my new self to the AFC and considered myself vastly superior. I got very vain.
But what snapped me out of it was realizing that ANYONE can get women. That the STUPIDEST GUYS EVER were getting girls left and right. Then I realized that getting girls was no substancial achievement. You do not turn into 'demi-god' because you sleep with chicks. Then I recognized the process around me. I saw other guys, once getting laid, become supremely arrogant and proud. This was rather disgusting since they had absolutely no talent (how could they? They were spending ALL their time chasing chicks, getting drunk, etc.)
It was then that I realized that success with women can spell utter disaster for the young male. Better that he be a frustrated Nice Guy and have his time focused into something useful, something substancial than to descend into some bucking creature, completely enslaved in Nature's grasp.
What a shame! It takes twenty years to make a Man, and only twenty minutes for a woman to undo him!
But an Oreo hops up to this grand marble forum to say,
you want every1 to understand what you have, you must learn that they cant pook, every1 is different, people tihnk on different levels, if a person is dumb and happy, what could be the harm? you should let them stay the way they are, they might realize you opinions later on, theyll get bored of it soon enuff, and then they might seek a deeper meaning in life
Well, what is the title of this thread?
I'm all for letting people go their own way. The only reason why I'm posting is because Trickynick replying to this year old post, kinda forcing me back on.
Personal information? All right; here is it is. I've become the Nice Guy warped inside out. Everything has become backwards. Fair becomes foul and foul turns into fair. There's no term for this type; it is just 'Pook'.
Today, just today, one girl asks me out. I say no. I made some excuse. She goes on away.
Another girl, (don't know how this got brought up) starts describing her 'dream guy' and then describes me. If that wasn't enough, she wouldn't stop with the kino. (And I never touched her!)
And another girl who had a boyfriend (known her for a little while) decides to come up to me today and say, "My boyfriend is REALLY uncool."
I grunt some response. Alas, she goes on. (Sosuave.com: They ALWAYS go on.
"Really! He wants to marry me, but I never will."
I know exactly what she's doing. She's up to be stolen. I try to shrink away. I want out of the game. Yet, she goes on.
"He's, like, ignoring me!" And she goes on in detail of all the stupid stuff he's done. BTW, I have NO idea of his name. He is just mysteriously known as 'boyfriend'. Everything she tells me is bad about him. Oh, she is kinoing me here and there. Now she wants to know which buildings I'm at when I'm [away], for she tells me she expects to find me up there.
This chick is no ug, she has a dynamite personality, looks great, long flowing hair, and she's a dancer. Yet, I've made NO mark of interest towards her. After hearing all the crud about her bf, I tried to slip out with my mere grunting responses. What sort of response did she want? So eventually I just shrugged and said in a half-asleep type of way, "Well, some guys don't know how lucky they are." Now THAT was a bad thing to say if anything. She, stops, then asks me to repeat it. (NOTE: if you want to steal a gf, use this line when she starts going on of how bad the bf is)
It is the most bizzarre thing. No matter what obstacles I put up: lying that I'm married/ have a gf, that I'm a desperate single, that I don't believe in love, even so far to saying that I'm gay that these damm women won't leave me alone. My focus is on other things, especially on one thing. But they won't leave me alone.
I go to class. A girl will follow me from class. I go grocery shopping. A check-out girl will ask me out. I think, "This won't last. Next week, I'll return to being Mr. Dork." That week never comes. I blow off one chick and three more take her place.
"Pook, quit bragging." But I'm NOT bragging! I am doing NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to get these girls' attention!
"Pook, you must be Brad Pitt." NO! I keep myself looking at an optimum, but I don't compare with many guys.
I have no explanation for this. It is like Nature is in conspiracy against me. As if Nature knows that I'm getting closer and closer to her secret so she sends her women at me.
Guys don't believe me when I tell them this. They go, "You are so full of it, Pook!" If they stick around me, they begin to see it. Then they say, "How are you doing this Pook!?" And they don't believe me when I tell them NOTHING. (If any gals out there has any idea of all the above, please tell).
And then I come onto this board and you guys chant seduction. Seduction! THAT is the last thing I need. Heaven help me if I tried using SS now (which I tried and regretted recently. A girl altered her religion and emailed me three times a day based on just a LITTLE SS I did). SS or any seduction for me now would just blow everything up.
This is going to sound odd but I'm beginnning to sense that there is something operating that demands union, no, insists on it. If you persistantly remain single, bizarre things happen. I get the feeling like I'm breaking some law of Nature and, since Nature cannot tolerate a void, rushes in to fill it.
"Why don't you just go for them?" Because I've become aware of a cost involved in such a relationship for me right now. Also, I want to see how much more bizarre this can get.
THERE is your personal info, Oreo. Unfortunately the answer just raises more questions.
And, as heir to Thrasybulus, Trickynick types to say,
You condemn SS as "boy toy" or "social dildo" behavior because it responds to what makes the woman want to have sex but at the same time you say you are not against seduction.
I'm not against seduction. Seduction is a good thing that can be misused. "In harming women?" No, in harming yourself. There is a point where it crosses a line, where you lose yourself.
You want to have sex with her already, but she needs yet to be raised to buying temperature.
That is exactly one of my chief probs with SS. They believe they are 'raising her temperatures' or 'pushing her buttons' or whatever. No, women are sexual by DEFAULT. If there weren't things like society and standards of reputation, women would be doing guys left and right.
Want proof of this? Tell any woman that you are going to work on your own life, ignore women to your better interests, and do the great noble things. You are going to write the great novel, or compose your symphonies, or do great art, or whatever, and you will have women fiercly protest, "You should go out and live life." Your object has to have them included or they become angry.
Say, "I have only respect for virgin/chaste women!" and the women will despise you and hate you terribly. You have just placed a social standard on them; one that is unnatural to them.
If a woman notices you checking out a woman or seeing a couple be romantic or even the appearance of little infants, they will smile REAL BIG and become HAPPY. They are ANIMATED by the PROCESS. They see the beginning (you checking her out), middle (being lovey-dovey), and fruit (kids) but it is still all part of the sex cycle, which women are the emissaries. You will NEVER have a woman get genuinely excited about something purely philosophical, mathematical, something of transcendent thought unless she is extroadinarily male.
To further prove this, ask anyone who works with women what women talk about. Guys will say, "Women! They are the most foul mouthed creatures on the planet! That is all they seem to talk about! Sex! Sex! And the thoughts and initiations of sex!"
What is Romance? Well, we know what it is to us guys. It is that sense of imagination, that concept we see best represented in the sonnet. Women feel flattered by it, but they do not want it. They do not have the faculties to really get it.
What is Romance to women? It is LICENSE! Women can truly act the way they desire under the guise of 'romance'. They will say, "We are in love" and freely act the prostitute with the guy giving her entertainment. Yes, women want to be adored. But that is only due to them getting their egos from yours. Why does she just sit there and comb her hair to the mirror? Because she is imagining how others will think of her, what she will look like to others, etc. What consciousness in the male sense could she possibly have? Thus, she can never NEVER be alone. To be alone (for women) is to not exist. (TRY to find a woman who cannot live without her cell phone).
But I am getting off topic (Sosuave.com: Yes).
There is WAY too much vanity in SS. These guys literally think they are demi-gods because of the chicks they did. They WANT to believe that they are making chicks horny. But chicks are already horny. They just unleash the horniness in only a socially 'approved' way (enter 'romance' of whatever the age defines it from dating to fire dance). SS merely breaks down whatever barriers the girl has.
Just as guys can choose never to be with That Fat Hag, girls can choose to never be with a certain guy. Not romance, not seduction, not even SS can stop it. (But SS doesn't dwell on this since it just NEXTs her).
Women feel ashamed making the first moves. That is why they want you to be seducers. It is not because they want you to seduce them (make them horny) but to REMOVE that masculine social reputation notion they are seized by. Women want PERMISSION to act they way they actually are. We give it to them when WE go after it.
It is women's complaint that, "You guys are so lucky. The more girls you sleep with, the more of a 'stud' you become. The more guys we sleep with, the more of a 'slut' we become!"
Notice that she wants to be the slut.
Now, Anti-Dump, Doc Love and people with similar views assume that if she isn't at buying temperature WITHOUT your having influenced it, there is NOTHING you can do and THAT is the attitude that I think is AFC and I will stick to that opinion regardless of how unpopular it may be among people who are in agreement with certain very dominant influences on this website.
The question is CAN you alter the woman? Are they so stupid that they must be herded into the sexual slaughterhouse with your hounds of seduction?
Or are YOU being herded into the slaughterhouse of Nature's cycle with women being Nature's bait?
This idea that you are somehow less than a man or "not alpha" because you do certain things consciously to influence her attraction to you is utter bullsh!t.
Oh no! That is not in my thoughts at all. My thoughts sum into: "Are you REALLY controlling her? For if you aren't, then YOU are the one being controlled! If SHE isn't the one being conquered, then WHO IS? Why, it is Trickynick!
This is either-or. There is no middle ground. Either we are playing them or they are playing us.
First, it's not about communicating your interest but INFLUENCING HERS. Your influence over a woman is the product of her attraction to you. Expressing your interest does nothing for you unless you demonstrate value to her.
To me, the above is a contradiction. You see women as things to be INFLUENCED, to be MADE HORNY. I hold that they are ALREADY HORNY but that it is locked away in certain social locks.
You say that woman is to be influenced! Then you say that you are to prove that you are a value to her! But it cannot be both. Women either-or or not. They are either passive clay to be 'influenced upon' or they are acting predators, ready to devour the PRIZE nearby. (I hold that they are the predators that devour the PRIZE especially since women would rather share and compete for ONE prize than each have their own faithful loser).
Second, He acts like the number/date bit is his only option. If he is wants to communicate his interest like he (you actually) implies in that statement then why is content llet girls mop the floor with him playing phone number routlette while he neglects the much more effective path of having a tongue-down session and/or fvcking her on the spot.
Notice how the beginning of this thread said that I thought SS was, for most part, worthless for LONG TERM RELATIONSHIPS. That was Anti-Dump's focus. Of course screwing the chick immediately probably won't result in a satisfying LTR.
Anti-Dump was well aware of SS. So is Doc Love. So are others. Yet, they say things different from SS. Why is that?
The big problem with Speed Seduction is that they confuse results with knowledge. You can get tons of girls while being totally off on their true nature. Understanding women is not a prerequisite to success. In fact, the more a male discovers about a woman, the more he's apt to avoid them.
He left because he got tired of the nice guys? Maybe he saw too much of himself in them. What's the difference between him and them other then he's been kicked around a little but been to dense to change his methods in any way but closing down completely into this mechanical way of thinking.
Have we not all been kicked around? If we were already successful with women, we wouldn't originally come to this forum.
There is a name for guys like Anti-Dump, it's called AFC.
There is a word for sentences like this; it's called stupid.
Examine your conscious, good Trickynick. Look to this wild vanity that flows through your veins, that is making you talk LIKE this ALL the TIME. Consider that women may be the ones using YOU for their own pleasures and that you are being drained from it in ways you cannot possibly imagine. Consider that your pleasure in it is but a mirage (for it is womanly, it is women who obsess over the physical relaxements from their smelly candles to pillows to chocolate cakes...) Women putter near the ground but man was made to soar in transcendent arc.
But as for now, I grow weary of you. Our disagreement of Speed Seduction has nothing to do with Speed Seduction but everything to do on the devouring nature of Women.
What is woman? Is she a booty to be conquered or is she the conquerer? Are men the prize to be 'caught' as a 'great catch' or are they the hunters? How can women destroy and create at the same time? Why is it that men create revolutions (of technology, of politics, of history) but women only create anarchy? Why is it the more our thoughts go toward women they end up being reflected back that we end up thinking about MEN?
She is the enigma that holds all of us in her grasp at this website.
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POOK
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"As you think, you shall become."
"Impossible scenarios are ingeniusly disguised as opportunties."
