What is the Matrix?

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Bonhomme said:
It appears to me the practical point Fingz and Francisco are making is that responsibility for yourself will maximize your progress as a person and minimize the mindset of hopelessness that would serve no purpose but to hold you back.
Touch-Down Deion Sanders!

Thats it!

Oh yea check this out http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20096

this really helps you get rid of the hopelessness, its some good inspirational advice. That should make you change the way you think and go about your everyday life. Disreguard the authors age as this man has wisdom and speeks from his heart. You gotta feel this. If you havent checked it out already, do so. And all i gotta say is watch Fight Club and that should be a wake up for you too ;)
 

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Excellent post SF.

Id like to add: There are only three kinds of people. DiKks, PuZZies and Azzholes. for more detailed explanation watch Team America movie.

Be aware of social engeneering attempts on your society....commies, national socialists (nazis) and other azzholes never sleep.

Who is to blame for so "unhealthy" and "immature" society? Prosperity

When a person is not hungry or cold or scared then he/she tends to forget what is important in life. Becomes lazy, vain etc.

World is not perfect these days but it never was. And I think now is better than ever even with so many girls so spoiled and so many boys so unmanly.
 

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Bonhomme said:
It's starting to happen, however gradually. The info is getting around, and less guys are buying in without really letting their partner's character stand the test of time, as they become aware of what they're buying into. And mark my words, some ballsy judge will go against that insane precedent ...
That's just the thing, it's happening gradually. There's no way that there will be a surge of men large enough to sweep though and undo whatever they believe is holding them back. There's not enough guys out there who believe that it will be to their advantage; "nice guys" with romanticized ideals of Prince Charming way outweigh any other group.

The only way change is going to happen is when those guys get so fed up with their situations that they revolt. Unfortunately that means that the guys finally coming to the other side will be bitter, frustrated naysayers or general woman haters believing that an entire gender is out for their demise.
 

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"No one talks more passionately about his rights than he who in the depths of his soul doubts whether he has any." - Nietzche

Feminism - Where a woman doesn't want to be told what do to by a man, but by a woman. (lol)

I love the matrix concepts. Does this mean rejection really isn't real???

An interesting term I happened across is "meme". These memes are considered the equal of dna in that they can pass from generation to generation. Feminism is a nasty one, and they do compete and the weaker ones are replaced by the stronger or more adapting ones. (look up meme if interested.)
 

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Random thoughts:

Maybe the matrix is that meme's are the real entities and we are only hosts though which they spread and thrive. (religions, advertising...)

Do you control your thoughts, or do they control you?

I do believe that women have great integrity.... to their emotions. However, I believe we all tend to make decisions emotionally, and then rationalize them with logic. Seems why logic is sometimes lacking, it is just an excuse for behavior.

Carl Sagan's Demon Haunted World is a great read.
 

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finally ppl that agree with me u guys have pretty good ideologies here but i just thought y dont we use facebook and start a facebook group to possible reach ppl offf of this forum if anybody wants my facebook just pm me we can talk more because feminism is a broken machine that needs fixing
 

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Fingers...thanks for coming back every so often.

This post is weird...I was in an old neighborhood today and remembered the people I used to hang out with...it was there that I met the girl who eventually made me realize how WEAK I was with women and drove me to this website, among others, to learn how to play the game.

Just about all the guys in my old "circle" were victims of her beauty, but I saw her several months ago in a bar and, though I was STILL too ego-bound to not make a weak pass at her, I didn't see how much SHE had been victimized as well. She's one of these very feminine women who got driven into a traditionally masculine profession (I'm not sure quite why) and when I see her now, I can tell just how much it's hardened and destroyed her. She was strong-female...she never should have been channeled in that direction. She could've made someone a wonderful, STRONG wife and mother. Now...heh...

It's funny...every time I come on to this site now, it's another outcry against the "propaganda" of the mass-media trying to portray men as losers and women as sluts. The consumer forgets how powerful demand is...the media can SELL us these ideas because we're willing to BUY them.

Let's not forget, we wear BOTH hats, like it or not. We are our own customers and we're selling ourselves this BS.

Rebellion against the system is interesting because it's the coward's way out. It's easy to talk about "the Matrix" in a negative light and speak out against it, because it dodges the real issue, whether "the Matrix" even exists. The truth is that it DOESN'T. But by FIGHTING it in our minds, we reinforce the idea of its existence. It's like a mental Chinese finger-trap...the harder we try to force our way out, the harder it pushes back against us.

This starts in that dreadful yet profound movie when Keanu refuses to accept the Oracle's prophecy as true. It's the beginning of his "awakening", so-to-speak, but he still believes that the Matrix is real, and that the rules of the Matrix still apply.

In the end of that movie, it's obvious that ol' Keanu can't beat Agent Elrond down, because he's playing by the Matrix's rules. By choosing to accept the image fed to him and then subsequently fight against it, he also accepts the terms of the image, which is that it's indestructable and ultimately triumphant. This culminates in his own death.

But at that moment, he reaches a point of enlightenment...that he doesn't HAVE to die or lose the fight. It's his OWN mind that's making the death real. It's all IN HIS HEAD. This is the climax of the movie, where he REFUSES to accept his own death and the other rules of the Matrix and accepts responsibility for building his OWN image.

It's only then that he stops fighting and refuses to acknowledge the image he sees, that the image crumbles away and he sees BEHIND the code. It's not so much that he STOPS the bullets, it's that his mind doesn't acknowledge the reality (and thus the lethality) of the bullets. The danger is rejected as a reality, and Keanu substitutes his own.

I feel like a nerd talking about that movie, but it really IS THAT GOOD.

If "the Spoon" is the so-called "Feminatrix", you can't bend it. That's impossible. Instead, try to realize the truth, that there IS no spoon. Then you'll realize that it's your MIND that's bending around this "Feminatrix" idea, and can adjust your thinking accordingly.

Rebellion done for its own sake
Does not a true free-thinker make.
To go against for its own sake,
You're still controlled by the course that the other man takes.

-311

Fight Club, another movie idolized by this site and one of my personal faves, is the same way. Ed Norton's character is content to just rebel against the system forever with his underground fighitng rings. But Tyler sees THROUGH that. It's not enough to rebel against the system's power over you if the system STILL has power over you. It needs to crumble, to be pulled back like the proverbial curtain, exposing the natural reality underneath.

Remember, the American Revolution wasn't fought for America's independence. America declared independence first, THEN engaged in battle. ;)
 

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Your analysis is interesting, squirrels. But there is a flaw in it: The Matrix was real; it was simply the world within the matrix that was illusory. But the illusion itself certainly existed, and it enslaved mankind.

Same with the Hor Matrix. It creates an unnatural world. This illusory world doesn't have to impact you (much) if you step out of it, although it will still sometimes try to invade the real lives of people who escape.

And Señor Fingers, I really wish you would just bug off. You are totally wrong about this. Quit resurrecting your stupid thread.

Señor Fingers said:
I haven't read Pook's blog in ages, but this particular post encapsulates a lot of what has been discussed here.
Read MORE of Pook's blog, and you will see that he analyzes and preaches about our corrupted society all the time. It is meloncholy that he rails against, not truth!
 

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Obsidian said:
Your analysis is interesting, squirrels. But there is a flaw in it: The Matrix was real; it was simply the world within the matrix that was illusory. But the illusion itself certainly existed, and it enslaved mankind.

Same with the Hor Matrix. It creates an unnatural world. This illusory world doesn't have to impact you (much) if you step out of it, although it will still sometimes try to invade the real lives of people who escape.

And Señor Fingers, I really wish you would just bug off. You are totally wrong about this. Quit resurrecting your stupid thread.



Read MORE of Pook's blog, and you will see that he analyzes and preaches about our corrupted society all the time. It is meloncholy that he rails against, not truth!
Lawl!! Whatever, man. You know better than everyone, I guess.
 

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Well, much of your point is still valid; our faith in the illusory world gives it most of its power over us. But the Hor Matrix (the illusion itself) certainly is real. It has tremendous power over its subjects. Freeing people from the matrix is still a noble goal, and avoiding horish women is still wise. If you are not avoiding horish women, you are still putting your faith in the illusion. And I don't know why certain people on this forum seem so intent on denying on the obvious. :rolleyes:
 

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Obsidian said:
And Señor Fingers, I really wish you would just bug off. You are totally wrong about this. Quit resurrecting your stupid thread.
If there is anything I'm totally wrong about, it's the assumption that this forum is a place where we can discuss thought-provoking subjects without resorting to these childish outbursts.

Apparently you have a real problem with people disagreeing with your rigid point of view...actually that's not quite accurate. It's other people's points of views that you are so hung up on.

You want to parrot Pook and LMS to the letter? I could just as easily call you a brainwashed numbnuts with no original thought of his own worth mentioning, but I don't go there because I actually respect where you stand and am cool with your opposing viewpoint.

Extend me the same courtesy and we can have a dialogue as men. Either that, or just ignore this thread and keep it moving, playboy.
 

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You're the one who brought Pook back into this, trying to keep your thread alive after a number of us already came in here to show you where you were wrong.

You're also the one who holds disdain for the discussion of thought-provoking issues. Instead of letting people discuss the sad state of our society, you make these threads insulting large numbers of men for being "too negative." Instead of talking about the state of affairs so that men can adapt and live their lives prosperously, you say we should remain silent and think happy thoughts.

And you can call me whatever names you want. Go ahead and call me a blind Pookish supporter (as if following Pook is somehow a bad thing). If you're not secure enough to handle my "childish" use of the word "stupid," then I'll try to be more tender with you in the future. I wouldn't want to make anyone on this board uncomfortable.
 

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Instead of letting people discuss the sad state of our society, you make these threads insulting large numbers of men for being "too negative."
There is nothing wrong with discussion, but the obsession is really disturbing.

Even your beloved Pook agrees. Read that post I linked to.. he mentions how people who constantly focus on how screwed up society is, are often lacking real progress or fulfillment in their own lives... precisely because they are too busy focusing on the evil forces that seek their destruction.

As far as happy thoughts, I'd like for you to quote me on that. I said we must face ourselves which is often more painful than joyous.

Also, if you will pull your head out your own ass for 5 seconds, you would see that I am not alone in my sentiments in this thread either. So just accept that we both have valid points and will probably not agree 100% on this one.. that's how MEN do it, kiddo.
 

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Obsidian said:
Well, much of your point is still valid; our faith in the illusory world gives it most of its power over us. But the Hor Matrix (the illusion itself) certainly is real. It has tremendous power over its subjects. Freeing people from the matrix is still a noble goal, and avoiding horish women is still wise. If you are not avoiding horish women, you are still putting your faith in the illusion. And I don't know why certain people on this forum seem so intent on denying on the obvious. :rolleyes:
Is that you again, PRL? Still going on about "hor this" and "hor that"?
 

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You assume that because we mention the Matrix a lot we are obsessed with negativity. That is your mistake. My understanding of the natural order of things guides all my interactions with females, but that is not a character flaw. Telling other males to understand and reject lies is a good thing.

And Pook's blog does essentially the same thing in almost every post. Talking about corruption is not the same as being depressed, or "obsessed" with negativity.
 

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Señor Fingers said:
If there is anything I'm totally wrong about, it's the assumption that this forum is a place where we can discuss thought-provoking subjects without resorting to these childish outbursts...
Fingers, you've been a member of this forum as long as I have. You know how this place operates.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Fingers, you've been a member of this forum as long as I have. You know how this place operates.
True, but it doesn't have to be that way. Dunno what you think, but to me it actually seems to be getting better these days.
 

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Señor Fingers said:
True, but it doesn't have to be that way. Dunno what you think, but to me it actually seems to be getting better these days.
Eh, it is what it is. It comes and goes in cycles. Earlier didn't you mention something about a glut of self professed gurus?
 
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