What is the matrix?

[joekerr31]

I have to admit, I'm amazed at the number of fellow Ron Paul supporters I find throughout here and other sites as well as friends.

Everywhere I look in my hometown I see signs everywhere that say "Google Ron Paul" and "Rloveution, Ron Paul".....He has a lot of support and broken donation records and won a lot of polls, and yet still het gets little media.

I think enough is said here on this subject. Vote Ron Paul if you really believe in Individual rights, which is what this site is all about.

I believe in minority rights, and the individual is the smallest minority of all.

I'm Danger and I approve this message.

im canadian, but if i was an american id vote ron paul.

you know what i find hilarious, is that really, ron paul isn't for anything. the guy really doesn't have a single new idea. what he is for are the things on which the country was founded - the constitution, not nation building over seas, etc.

the democrates and republicans are just going along, happy as can be trapped in the matrix of special interest and campaign contributors etc. that Ron Paul seems crazy and radical. when in fact all he wants is to return to the fundemental vision of the founding fathers.

 

[Bonhomme]

Very good points, John and jonwon.

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Very rare is the person who can think for his or her self ... and even that person is limited as to the degree they can act upon those "independent" thoughts -- if they have any concern for their well-being.

I'm not putting forth any solutions to this. One can be at any point on the continuum from going along with the norm or thinking and acting for his or herself, and it will have some undesirable and desirable consequences at one level of their being or another. The best the aware person can do is consider the situation and live in the way that best suits them (and others), all things considered. It's a matter of balance.

Yeah, laughing at the whole charade is as good a way as any to deal with it.

 

[MacAvoy]

What are you a spastic?

Yes.

Just becuase I know about the DJ game doesn't mean I've got to waste my time worrying about what society thinks. If you know any of my posts, you should know I don't worry about norms. Heck the morality police are constantly on my back. I live my life for me and no one else. I chose to unplug from the matrix 15-20 years ago.

However being unplugged from the matrix has resulted in me not really knowing about the matrix. Hence the question.

 

[Last Man Standing]

great video!!!! thanks for posting this.

I remember that movie from 30 years ago - it was a warning and not for entertainment! Here is another clip from the same movie... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ELleCQvew

 

[joekerr31]

I remember that movie from 30 years ago - it was a warning and not for entertainment! Here is another clip from the same movie... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ELleCQvew

wow, im really surprised ive never heard of this movie.

the writing in it is fantastic.

once again, great clip. the number one effect that consumerism / marketing has done to our society is that no one feels like their voice matters, as a result everyone is apathetic.

look at the slogan that is becoming famous with the ron paul campaign "Dr. Ron Paul cured my apathy" - when was the last time you saw non voters not only voting but campaigning for a candidate.

industrialization, feminism, politic correctness, the cosby show, etc. - all of it has lead to us feeling like we aren't allowed to 'get mad as hell and not take it anymore'. that we are suppose to be quiet well behaved automatons and do follow the herd nice and quietly.

 

[Martin Shabazz Jr.]

About the Matrix:


The world hates those who think and live for themselves. But this is the only way to be truly happy. It's a war you will never stop fighting, but the moment you see it and continue to fight it, you have won.

Well said.

 

[STR8UP]

This is what people spit out because this is what they were told to say!! That the mass media influences and creates reality is obvious by all those who listen to music and watch tv and listen to the radio etc. This forum is a perfect example by the many here embracing the hor and homo as natural and good, when in fact, they are perversions of themselves!!! This is due to the mass media cultural and societal influence of the last 50 years - corrupting minds!!!!

The mass media tells us who and what is beautiful or ugly and who is good and who is bad - they tell us what to wear and what not to wear - what to eat and what drugs to take, what to see, and who to believe and who to not believe - what is true and what is a lie!!! The Matrix is real and the few who own the mass media have an agenda based on a lie - the creators of illusions!!!!!!

So tell us, oh enlightened one....have you ever worked for the media? Have you ever PURCHASED media to promote something? Do you have ANY experience whatsoever with the media that would make you qualified to comment?

Are you really THAT weak minded that you believe that T.V. is reality?

Well I got news for you. There ARE undoubtedly people out there who CANNOT separate fantasy from reality. Are you one of them?

You speak from a position of the victim minded masses. And you say that I am the one who is brainwashed? It is YOU who refuses to take responsibility for filtering out the "garbage". Instead you stand on your soapbox and cry "conspiracy!"

Get this through your heads.....anything that is not WANTED or WELCOMED by the public is QUICKLY and EFFICIENTLY dispatched from the media, leaving only the reflection of what consumers already believe!

When you spend thousands of dollars every month on trying to "influence" people like I do, then come back and talk. If I tried to give my audience something they don't already have the desire to consume, I CEASE TO EXIST, just like everyone else in the "evil" media.

Take some responsibility for your own life dude.

 

[joekerr31]

Get this through your heads.....anything that is not WANTED or WELCOMED by the public is QUICKLY and EFFICIENTLY dispatched from the media, leaving only the reflection of what consumers already believe!

actually, a big part of the problem is exactly this, that peopel are being fed what they want.

people are eating macdonalds for breakfast, lunch and dinner. and tv, for the most part, is the equivalent of macdonalds for the mind.

and while it is an individuals responsibility NOT to follow the herd, the reality is that I am surrounded by a world where everyone is digesting this crap and then spitting it back out.

when i talk to someone, i'm talking to a brain that has digested 50,000 hours of the crap that is on television. and if i want to work with this individual, or buy something from them, or date them, or be their neighbour, etc. i have to interact with their brain.

so i dont think its 100% fair to just say 'unplug and ignore television and its influences" because its influences are all around me.

its kind of like living in a world where everyone does crack and then saying ignore the social ramifications associated with everyoen doing crack.

i can't. i have to accept that im living ina world filled with drug addicts and then find a way to cope with that while not becoming one of them.

hence why its so hard to unplug now a days.

 

[Last Man Standing]

wow, im really surprised ive never heard of this movie.

the writing in it is fantastic.

once again, great clip. the number one effect that consumerism / marketing has done to our society is that no one feels like their voice matters, as a result everyone is apathetic.

look at the slogan that is becoming famous with the ron paul campaign "Dr. Ron Paul cured my apathy" - when was the last time you saw non voters not only voting but campaigning for a candidate.

industrialization, feminism, politic correctness, the cosby show, etc. - all of it has lead to us feeling like we aren't allowed to 'get mad as hell and not take it anymore'. that we are suppose to be quiet well behaved automatons and do follow the herd nice and quietly.

BINGO!! JoeKerr, don't look at The Matrix as things or happenings, but see it for what it is - persons with an agenda!!!

Not everyone has an agenda of deception and control! But those who control the forces of mass influence, at the top, are the ones who are in control - others follow for their own self-interest!! THE MATRIX IS ABOUT CONTROL - Control of our minds - mass media has mass influence!!!

The question is , "Who controls the mass media??"

 

[Last Man Standing]

JoeKerr, here is a gift for you.. it comes in six parts.. The Engineering of Consent... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV4Jz3OPTio

 

[STR8UP]

The qyestion is , "Who controls the mass media??"

You will never understand the answer because you are too busy creating boogeymen.

 

[Last Man Standing]

You will never understand the answer because you are too busy creating boogeymen.

The next question is, "What is their message that they are trying to convey, and WHY???? Answer these questions and you will be closer to the truth!!!

 

[Drum&Bass]

actually, a big part of the problem is exactly this, that peopel are being fed what they want.

people are eating macdonalds for breakfast, lunch and dinner. and tv, for the most part, is the equivalent of macdonalds for the mind.

Right..and what people want is NOT always what is best for them..but the media DOESN'T care does it ??

There ARE undoubtedly people out there who CANNOT separate fantasy from reality. Are you one of them?

You speak from a position of the victim minded masses. And you say that I am the one who is brainwashed? It is YOU who refuses to take responsibility for filtering out the "garbage".

Why do I see the children of wealthy upper class people talking with an urban slang, wearing baggy clothes and behaving like they are outcasts of society ?? There are more weak minded brainwashed people than you care to admit.
YOU might not be one of them, but a quick trip to any high school in America will show you otherwise.

Get this through your heads.....anything that is not WANTED or WELCOMED by the public is QUICKLY and EFFICIENTLY dispatched from the media, leaving only the reflection of what consumers already believe!

Thats fine everyone UNDERSTOOD your point from the beginning, but what your really saying is the media is becoming better and more refined at keeping peoples attentions..more so than real life.

When you spend thousands of dollars every month on trying to "influence" people like I do, then come back and talk. If I tried to give my audience something they don't already have the desire to consume, I CEASE TO EXIST, just like everyone else in the "evil" media.

This makes no sense, your job IS to influence people to spend money on something that they may not need. So, someone may have a CD Player, but they see an i-Pod. Normally they may think its nice and want to own it but they make a choice not to spend the money on it..However people like you come up with ways of making them FEEL like they need it..so you have persuaded them to do something they don't need to do..or perhaps would not have done, if it had not been for your power of persuasion.

Now, lets translate all of this into Sosuave..People like you have made movies that appeal to people..movies that make men look weak and women look strong..movies where its good to do everything a man can do to selflessly make a woman happy. So many people are STUPID !! like i said before and you don't want to admit..but its true !!!

you take all these messages from movies, commercials and TV shows and you create people who are being influenced by MEDIA in a bad way, it may be unintentional as far as your concerned but MEDIA IS THE MATRIX..MONEY IS WHAT CREATED IT !! AND A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THE MATRIX ARE FOOLS who should be so lucky to wake up and realize just how foolishly they have been behaving..through social conditioning supplied by the media !!

perhaps its ignorance..and then something happens to make them seek out an understanding..and then they wake up.

Its a bad combination when you have a nation of weak willed individuals and strong powers of influence.

 

[Last Man Standing]

So tell us, oh enlightened one....have you ever worked for the media? Have you ever PURCHASED media to promote something? Do you have ANY experience whatsoever with the media that would make you qualified to comment?

Are you really THAT weak minded that you believe that T.V. is reality?

Well I got news for you. There ARE undoubtedly people out there who CANNOT separate fantasy from reality. Are you one of them?

You speak from a position of the victim minded masses. And you say that I am the one who is brainwashed? It is YOU who refuses to take responsibility for filtering out the "garbage". Instead you stand on your soapbox and cry "conspiracy!"

Get this through your heads.....anything that is not WANTED or WELCOMED by the public is QUICKLY and EFFICIENTLY dispatched from the media, leaving only the reflection of what consumers already believe!

When you spend thousands of dollars every month on trying to "influence" people like I do, then come back and talk. If I tried to give my audience something they don't already have the desire to consume, I CEASE TO EXIST, just like everyone else in the "evil" media.

Take some responsibility for your own life dude.

I would never work for the media, even if they paid me a million dollars a year - I have principles and I know their agenda!! I have an excellent marketing mind because I deeply understand human behavior! Those who control the media only allow certain messages - I'm against their message!

Can you give us some of your TV commercial writings?

TV is not reality - they try to warp minds who are gullible to their deceit, and in turn, those weak minded individuals create reality by following that which is popular and seek validation and acceptance from others!! Mass media sets the standard and those who go against this false agenda are called "conspiracy fanatics" or "misfits" - another matrix term!!

Some, I, was never in The Matrix and are seen as outsiders and threats to those who propagate the false message, and thus we are derided and demonized by those suppressing reality and propagating perceptions!!!

Case in point - in the movie "The Matrix", do you see that Morpheus, the man waking people up to the reality of things, the truth, was the most wanted and the most dangerous man to be apprehended? HUH?? Why? This tells us that those who created The Matrix don't want the truth to be known!!!! Who are these people and what are they trying to accomplish, what are they trying to hide??

The movie was a warning for us!!!

 

[joekerr31]

BINGO!! JoeKerr, don't look at The Matrix as things or happenings, but see it for what it is - persons with an agenda!!!

Not everyone has an agenda of deception and control! But those who control the forces of mass influence, at the top, are the ones who are in control - others follow for their own self-interest!! THE MATRIX IS ABOUT CONTROL - Control of our minds - mass media has mass influence!!!

The question is , "Who controls the mass media??"

i dont think of it like this. although i do understand where you are coming from.

i tend to view things in terms of systems. so with regards to the media, initially programming was produced by what people watched versus what they didn't. shows they watched got higher ratings nad hence more advertising (remember, money is behind everything).

so they threw everything out there and saw what stuck. i mean, PBS exists, but no one watches it. people watch oprah.

but here's where it gets really f*cked. the people now in charge are peopel who were raised by the system. these peopel were taught to think BY the system. so in a sense, the system is running the system now.

its kind of like capitalism. watch a movie call "the corporation". i think the whole thing is on youtube in 23 parts. its an amazing movie.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pin8fbdGV9Y


you see, systems evolve and become slaves to themselves. initially a system is useful, but as it grows it becomes harmful, but it can't be stopped. we become dependent on it even though its killing us. its very much like an addiction. at first it makes us feel good, but after a while its killing us but we just can't break free of it without going through extrodinary pain.

and there are always folks telling us of the danger we are in, telling us to break our addiction before its too late, but the addicts always refuse to listen because they don't want to go through withdrawal. I mean, Ron Paul is doing that in this election, but people are still going to vote for the same old politicians that they will then spend years complaining about.

i mean, this is the matrix. its a system of thought. and its maturing. originally it was good (ie. religion, nuclear family, etc.) - following the herd use to be good. but now its evolving and getting out of control. its gone from cell growth to cancer. democracy + capitalism = freedom for all is slowly beocming democracy + capitalism = corrupt politicians and lower class living for the many.

i mean we all know how corrupt and f*cked up things are - so why isn't anyone fixing it? becuase they can't.

the system is in control, and like a virus is going to run its course. and at some point we will have no choice but to 'reboot'. unless of course we do what is needed to fix the system - but unfortunately that requires the masses being willing to go through the pain of doing so.

just like until men unplug from the matrix, things with women will never get better on the whole.

it really is all consuming. its everywhere. it IS our reality.

which is why unplugging is so hard for most. because you can't just unplug and not deal with the system. you have to unplug and then still live in the same world.

anwyay, enough mindless rambling on my part tonight

 

[joekerr31]

You will never understand the answer because you are too busy creating boogeymen.

i think both you and last man are both correct. the media does pander to the public, but the public's 'tastes' are effected by the media. its a vicious cycle that feeds off itself - a system.

90% of the public has no desire to listen to a midget f*cking a pornstar and not a single person in the public is calling up the media asking for that. but then howard stern puts it on the air, people are shocked, and then peopel start listening to see what shocking thing he'll do next.

thats a classic case of the media pandering to the stupidity of your average citizen. catering to their base desires.

now, no one at hte top of the chain said 'lets go get a guy who will get a midget to f*ck a porn star". what happened was they hire a guy who is funny, ie. howard stern, who then out of boredom pushes the boundaries. the more he pushes the higher the ratings. then the higher ups dont want to turn him off because they will lose advertisers.

then enters the special interest groups who threaten the advertisers and howard gets kicked.

see, its this push pull system. without the demand there woudl be no howard stern. but without howard stern there would be no demand.

this is why we are sick. because you can't point to one spot and go 'THERE, thats the problem."

the problem is 'the matrix', a collection of human beings believing and contributing to a moronic unrealistic fabric of societal thinking.

life is the matrix. its always been the matrix. it just so happens that it use to make sense. but its without question that we have clearly steered off a path that made sense and have fallen down the rabbit hole.

where we end up nobody knows. but its a totally f*cked up experience at this point.

we got guys shooting up malls and churches, we've got marriages falling apart everywhere, we've got terrorists blowing up buildings, we've got a fast food joint on the corner of every single block across North America, etc.

all thats left to do is enjoy the ride as the human race dive bombs toward the ocean and hope that a couple of guys in the back who are working on getting the engines up and running and again save the day.

 

[Last Man Standing]

JoeKerr, did you read my previous post? It is not sytems or corporations - it is people who have an agenda!! I and Str8up both cannot be correct since we are diametrically opposed!!

 

[Last Man Standing]

There is an agenda that is being propelled by people who care less of what we want - read my previous posts!! It is not about money - it's about control!!!!

 

[joekerr31]

JoeKerr, did you read my previous post? It is not sytems or corporations - it is people who have an agenda!! I and Str8up both cannot be correct since we are diametrically opposed!!

i read your post. i still have to view the video you referenced (going to do that tomorrow).

but you can both be right. no one really has an agenda. the ONLY agenda is to make money.

politicians will do corrupt things to protect businesses that give them the money to get elected etc.

money is at the root of all of this.

if there is an agenda at the top its for a few people to milk as much money out of the pockets of the many.

thats why we are brainwashed to buy crap. a couple of guys are laughing their asses off that they became billionares getting kids to buy cabbage patch dolls or britney spears cds.

but i don't believe there are old men sitting aroudn the table hatching plans to destroy the world by brainwashing the public into being idiots.

i think they are sitting around going 'the public are idiots, now whats the most efficient way for us to get them to give us all their money?"

 

[joekerr31]

There is an agenda that is being propelled by people who care less of what we want - read my previous posts!!

i read your post

i agree, that those in power don't want anyone to be heard that is criticizing the way they are doing things.

but its not that they have an agenda in the ideological sense. what they have is a system of obligations to people who gave / give them money. and they will protect those people - and to protect them they need to keep peopel who are pointing out what they are doing (ie. being bought) quiet.