What is Happening with Men?

[RangerMIke]

What I found to be incredibly disappointing was the overwhelming number of decent looking dudes with their fatty women. Is this the new norm now? Do men have to date down in order to land a chick? 4-5 of my guy friends have also dated down, 3 settled with them. I'm 34, no kids, never married because I refuse to follow this stupid trend.

Yes... this is normal for men that put 'loyalty' higher than physical attraction. Her physical attractiveness is inversely proportional to her loyalty.

 

[Bingo-Player]

The big shift I see is the middle class dispersing. You see people who are either high-class who get the top choice to all that life has to offer. Then you have low class that gets all the undesirable things in life.

Great take but for me the "middle class" has been nothing more than a societal illusion of success

a 4 bed house in suburbia , 2.0 kids , an annual 2 week holiday to some resort in Spain and an Audi on the drive is not success but it's been marketed like it is for many years

Social media put an end to that by showing everyone what real luxury / success looks like

 

[Lookatu]

Is this the new norm now?

Yes. It's a sad reality.

The beach used to be an exciting place for me. Now I only go there for watersports and getting a tan. All the hot IG thots are whoring themselves out to millionaires on the nice boats on the water.

 

[RickTheToad]

5-7's are crazy too. It's worth an attempt at the extra hotness.

All females are a bit crazy; however, 5 - 7 are usually able to be tamed. 8 - 10, in my experience, are way too full of themselves; so it's not worth my time. I've posted pics of them in the past; whole lotta headaches and head games. No question on the hotness scale, but it's not worth the ups and downs of their emotional roller coaster. After the last one I documented in 2019; I do not think it's worth it. The jeolously factor that you have to deal with too (her to you, not you to her), is off the wall; so I just walked at each one. Maybe I am different, that's cool. But a hole is a hole, and when it's just hotness; that's all it is... A hole; or two or three (if your lucky).

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I was at the Texas Rangers game yesterday and for those who don't know there's a huge venue outside the ballpark called Texas Live. Big hotspot for grabbing a beer and mingling with people. What I found to be incredibly disappointing was the overwhelming number of decent looking dudes with their fatty women. Is this the new norm now? Do men have to date down in order to land a chick? 4-5 of my guy friends have also dated down, 3 settled with them. I'm 34, no kids, never married because I refuse to follow this stupid trend.

At a Texas rangers game? Normally the women would be a bunch of fine tight body hotties instead, and "large" would just be to the "thick" level NO MORE.

 

[Lookatu]

I've created a new post on something that is somewhat related.

Looksmaxxed women can only go downhill...

Sometimes a lot of guys don't see the big picture and only go after shiny objects dangled in front of them. The shinier the object, the weaker they'll be in making dumb decisions or exerting foolish efforts. It's easy to fall into a one track mind, especially the more desperate or scarcity...

www.sosuave.net

 

[Smok1nAce]

Great take but for me the "middle class" has been nothing more than a societal illusion of success

a 4 bed house in suburbia , 2.0 kids , an annual 2 week holiday to some resort in Spain and an Audi on the drive is not success but it's been marketed like it is for many years

Social media put an end to that by showing everyone what real luxury / success looks like

Your right class is a social construct, but its also a way to keep score in society and see who is producing the most for other humans. Social media puts fourth the best glamours aspects of "success" and 4 bed house in suburbia is barley middle class nowadays. I'm talking about the family with a paid of huge house on 2+ acres of land, 4 car garage, summer vacations, private school and babysitters. With parents making combined over 300k. This is what middle class is considered where I'm from. Not getting by pay check to pay check but not making 500k+ a year.

Success and luxury has been the same picture since 80's wall street. People knew about it but it wasn't faked, now most people fake it. The only thing Social media has done is given the idiots/poor/disfranchised a way to interact with successful people. People have become so fascinated with the luxury life style they forget there own lives are ****.

The number one problem with dating is that normal men and women(mostly) can't and refuse to acknowledge they will never be like there favorite celebrity. You can fake it but then you become a slave to society.

 

[RickTheToad]

Your right class is a social construct, but its also a way to keep score in society and see who is producing the most for other humans. Social media puts fourth the best glamours aspects of "success" and 4 bed house in suburbia is barley middle class nowadays. I'm talking about the family with a paid of huge house on 2+ acres of land, 4 car garage, summer vacations, private school and babysitters. With parents making combined over 300k. This is what middle class is considered where I'm from. Not getting by pay check to pay check but not making 500k+ a year.

Success and luxury has been the same picture since 80's wall street. People knew about it but it wasn't faked, now most people fake it. The only thing Social media has done is given the idiots/poor/disfranchised a way to interact with successful people. People have become so fascinated with the luxury life style they forget there own lives are ****.

The number one problem with dating is that normal men and women(mostly) can't and refuse to acknowledge they will never be like there favorite celebrity. You can fake it but then you become a slave to society.

Dude, you'd need to make more than 300k a year for your idea of success. That house alone in Greenwich, CT, Darien, CT, or Westport, CT would cost north of 5m alone; not factoring in four cars and private school. With 300k a year, you would qualify for around 1.5m mortgage with 250k down. Sorry dude, you're living in dream land.

 

[Georgepithyou]

Transplants typically don't get into the best social circles in an area.

I've noticed this in Sydney where most people are the children of migrants, there is no sense of community at all.

Fatherless households, low T, and the fact most guys spend hrs watching geeks on YouTube squeak about hypergamy instead of actually approaching. Female entitlement is off the charts but your competition is low T and girlie men. Fellas that sit when they pee. The sound of their piss is even feminine. Stunt on these losers.

Those low T men have also inflated women's egos hgher then mt Everest. You got women thinking they are entitled to Giga Chad despite looking like Jabba the Hutt

 

[SW15]

Like many U.S. metros, Dallas-Fort Worth has weak social circles due to the large number of transplants in the area. Transplanted adults tend to have weaker social circles, making them more reliant upon swipe apps. If a transplanted adult does not want to rely on swipe apps, they make the big effort to break the cycle and become solid cold approachers. Transplants typically don't get into the best social circles in an area.

Good point here. I forget many people are moving to DFW. It's not what it once was, that's for sure.

I've noticed this in Sydney where most people are the children of migrants, there is no sense of community at all.

Prior to his religious conversion, Roosh wrote this article, which would apply to what @Georgepithyou observes in Sydney.

3 Signs You Won’t Get Married Before 35 – Roosh Valizadeh

As I inch closer to forty, I look across the dating landscape and notice that many other men are in the same boat as me. Either they did not have a lifestyle that was conducive to marriage or they rejected the institution outright. While these bachelors may have personality traits which prevent them

www.rooshv.com

3 signs are...

1. Atomized (Limited social network of other males)
2. Rootless (Frequent relocations, far from birthplace)
3. Immigrant parents

The people with immigrant parents have all 3 signs and @Georgepithyou has seen these men in Sydney.

@jaymbrs made the original post about Dallas-Fort Worth. In the United States, there have been many metropolitan areas in the Southern part of the country (the Sun Belt) that have experience a lot of growth in the past 3-4 decades. Dallas-Fort Worth is a great example of that. Other examples would be Miami-Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, Denver, and Phoenix. These transplant heavy Sun Belt areas have a lot of atomized and rootless men in them (if they've moved there from other parts of the U.S.). The women are also atomized and rootless as well, which is meaningful.

What happens when there are atomized and rootless men & women with limited social circles? From the mid-1980s to the mid-2000s, you would have had an active nightlife scene of people trying to meet each other in bars. The cultural phenomenon helped Boomer and Gen X guys like Ross Jeffries, David DeAngelo, Mystery, and Roosh influnce men of their eras. Starting the mid-2000s, once snowflake Millennials were turning 21, technology was increasing, and online dating became fully de-stigmatized (that probably happened around the mid-2000s), tech-assisted introductions started replacing night game and day game as the primary way that people without social circles met. And since more people are atomized and rootless, there were fewer social circle possibilities. The unforeseen consequence is that once women put themselves out on social media and dating websites/apps, they would generate more interest than they could imagine. Right now, a typical 30 year old average looking woman generates more interest from men than a 22 year old supermodel in 1986. Also, add to that a surplus of single men to single women in most major U.S. metros, and you have a recipe for a bad environment.

 

[corrector]

Men who aren't members of SoSuave do.

Dating down is comfortable. We know she'll be loyal. We know she'd make a good wife, when the time comes.

Fact is the majority of men (~95%) don't have the stones to say 'Hey, what's your name' to HB8.

So, they take the easy road and settle for HB5.5

Not when every simp is also dating down, even 5.5hb have over inflated sense of entitlement. You have other posters make threads that say these women have a big "whatever" attitude, and have these pathetic chadlites crying about sh1t like that. Like they know you are settling and people like that are a nickle a dozen.

 

[SW15]

Agree. Guys that cant be comfortable with their own selves. Going without is terrifying to them.
Or its epic levels of nice guy syndrome just putting up with lazy fat women.

Since guys are watching porn, wanking, and doing the OnlyFans thing, I don't think that going without is terrifying. It's much more terrifying to be committed to doing no porn and no fap and needing to approach to get your dicck wet. Most men don't have the guts to be in that situation.

It is more likely to be epic levels of nice guy syndrome, women's unlimited choices from tech assisted means, rootlessness from relocations/weaker social circles causing a reliance upon swipe apps, and lower T from porn, fapping, and eating too many processed foods.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

I was at the Texas Rangers game yesterday and for those who don't know there's a huge venue outside the ballpark called Texas Live. Big hotspot for grabbing a beer and mingling with people. What I found to be incredibly disappointing was the overwhelming number of decent looking dudes with their fatty women. Is this the new norm now? Do men have to date down in order to land a chick? 4-5 of my guy friends have also dated down, 3 settled with them. I'm 34, no kids, never married because I refuse to follow this stupid trend.

Two things:

Unaware of their worth/value
Lack of standards

Then there are other factors but most (if not all) stem from the two above.

Modern Man Advice

 

[bat soup]

Brazil too. Its just not the US anymore. The whole globe is becoming westernized in the name of liberalism.

Yes, I think the its sugar. They put that stuff in everything and it's basically poison.

 

[RickTheToad]

Fact is, most dudes are tired of the start and go of new relationships. Yes, is it fun, yea. Is it exciting, yea. However, it's exhausting to continuously take on a new female and do this over and over again. Some dudes will go down a few notches when they are ready for a relationship or build a family. However, there is truth that ALL females have this unruly sense of entitlement that makes little sense. A 5 - 7 female really think they can get with a 8 - 10 and keep them with no self struggle. A dude will go lower thinking it may be smoother seas, but there will still be trials and tribulations with them too. As much as it hurts or can be difficult, a dude needs to separate from their emotions as if/when you need to break because she will not follow you the way you want her to, you need to be able to pull the cord. It will be hard and difficult, but it is what it is. Females get over dudes faster as they can multitask and compartmentalize better than dudes. It's just how their mind is setup.

 

[SW15]

Dude every guy I know with a woman is TERRIFIED of walking away from less then good situations for themselves. Not every guy on the block is on OF and is simping. Its like someone else put it. Too afraid to approach or go without until they get the right girl for the job. And yes we should treat them like an employee.
Metaphorically speaking.

These guys cant suffer loss. They lose their identity.

I see your point. There are a lot of beta guys out there in relationships who are afraid to be single because both cold approaching and app swiping are challenging paths to follow. Male sexlessness rates are at high levels.

 

[corrector]

I see your point. There are a lot of beta guys out there in relationships who are afraid to be single because both cold approaching and app swiping are challenging paths to follow. Male sexlessness rates are at high levels.

They worry they end up like me with a 7 year dry spell.

 

[Sam_J]

I was at the Texas Rangers game yesterday and for those who don't know there's a huge venue outside the ballpark called Texas Live. Big hotspot for grabbing a beer and mingling with people. What I found to be incredibly disappointing was the overwhelming number of decent looking dudes with their fatty women. Is this the new norm now? Do men have to date down in order to land a chick? 4-5 of my guy friends have also dated down, 3 settled with them. I'm 34, no kids, never married because I refuse to follow this stupid trend.

They probably got hooked up with these women through mutual friends in their social circle and are too chicken to cold approach girls they actually find attractive and face a lot of rejection before finding one that likes them.

 

[jaymbrs]

At a Texas rangers game? Normally the women would be a bunch of fine tight body hotties instead, and "large" would just be to the "thick" level NO MORE.

Don't get me wrong, there were some hotties there, no doubt. I just saw an alarming number of couples where the scales were tipped in the women's favor. Like a twilight zone.

 

[Maximus Optimus]

What you are witnessing is guys with thicker women but I bet when most of those guys met that woman that they werent thick. I see it happen on both sides. Most humans whether it is female or male usually tend to get lazy in a relationship and that means getting thick. The guy in his head probably remembers what she used to look like so it doesnt bother him. It is super shallow to just judge a woman on her looks alone. She might be wonderful at things such as cooking great, great provider, loving person, great with kids, cool to be around, etc. Looks is just one piece of the puzzle. There are other factors that you should look at that come into play.