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[STR8UP]

I don't understand the logic in claiming to "know" what the people around you do or will "ever" do.

Believing is one thing, but claiming to know absolutely what another person will do is impossible (unless you're physically joined at the hip).

It's a form of self delusion. It's not a very pleasant thing to look at things for what they are. Much easier to hold the belief that "people are inherently good", then use the "low quality" label to explain behavior they believe to be unacceptable.

And it eventually becomes a self reinforcing belief. People will peg you as being judgmental, so they won't share the intimate details with you. Only the pretty facade. Then they say "There! See! I told you so! She TOLD me that she's never cheated on anyone before and never would. She's a Q.U.A.L.I.T.Y. woman!"

If you think that you know even 1/10th of the details of any given woman's past you are living with your head in the sand.

NO, it means that I mostly chose quality woman because I instinctively knew what 'style' is, and what qualities to look for in a prospect..

"Instincts" huh? That sounds kind of strange coming from a guy who doesn't believe nature plays much of a role in things.

From reading your unsuccessful war stories with women, it seems that you lack that particular skill.
Perhaps you need to reset your standards and expectations upwards.

What is "successful"? A wife, a dog, and a white picket fence? Don't assume that my definition of success is the same as yours.

Actually, with the exposure I've had to people from all walks of life I'm pretty damn good at sizing someone up quickly.

I have "high expectations". That's why I quickly file about 98% of the women I meet into the category of "completely undateable". The other 2% are usually in stable relationships. Usually.

More confused words. Lets call it by it correct name.
The phrase " manufactured reality " is a nonsense. Reality exists outside of ourselves and will remain after our death. Reality is NOT perception. or 'personal reality' or 'parrallel truths' or any other such drivel from post moderism.

What that guy created was self delusion or, as you correctly said, "illusion" .

Semantics are inconsequential. My point was that if you believe you REALLY know people, you are deluding yourself.

 

[jophil28]

I have "high expectations". That's why I quickly file about 98% of the women I meet into the category of "completely undateable". The other 2% are usually in stable relationships. Usually.

Then the simple math is that 100% of women that you meet therefore do not get to date Str8^ ?

You wrote that 98% are undateable ? Why ? Surely you are not alluding to the possibility that they may be "low quality" . Ooops, there I go with another of those naughty value judgements again.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

More confused words. Lets call it by it correct name.
The phrase " manufactured reality " is a nonsense. Reality exists outside of ourselves and will remain after our death. Reality is NOT perception. or 'personal reality' or 'parrallel truths' or any other such drivel from post moderism.

What that guy created was self delusion or, as you correctly said, "illusion" .

Potato. Po-ta-toe.

To an AFC, a quality girl is whoever will suck him off twice a month.

 

[STR8UP]

Then the simple math is that 100% of women that you meet therefore do not get to date Str8^ ?

Key word- "usually".

You wrote that 98% are undateable ? Why ? Surely you are not alluding to the possibility that they may be "low quality" . Ooops, there I go with another of those naughty value judgements again.

Most women are undateable for the same reason that a Bengal Tiger is unsuitable to keep as a pet. Most of them aren't trained well enough, and the few who are trained don't come with any guarantees that they won't go Sigfried and Roy on your ass.

Would you call a tiger a "low quality" animal? No, you fully understand the point I am trying to make, you just refuse to acknowledge that we no longer live in a Beeaver Cleaver society where women tend to follow the rules of a "proper" society.

I have a suspicion that your age and the fact that you saw what women COULD be like is affecting your judgment today.

 

[jophil28]

Most women are undateable for the same reason that a Bengal Tiger is unsuitable to keep as a pet. Most of them aren't trained well enough, and the few who are trained don't come with any guarantees that they won't go Sigfried and Roy on your ass.

Would you call a tiger a "low quality" animal? No, you fully understand the point I am trying to make, you just refuse to acknowledge that we no longer live in a Beeaver Cleaver society where women tend to follow the rules of a "proper" society.

Your cynicism maquerades as wisdom and insight, when it is really one of RT's beloved "buffers". You wear it like a suit of protective armor.
Men who radiate such intense self protection are probably also radiating "women repellant".

But then again what would I know .

If I were a woman who encountered a guy with your deeply held bitterness and who equates women with untrained anuimals, I would probably avoid you too.
Your fear of a woman taking advantage of you is contributing to the absence of a good one in your life.

But then again, you know best and I know nothing of any consequence .

Hopefully you will post here one day with a decent story of a successful encounter with one of those 'mythical' creatures "a quality woman".

AS I read your frequent posts I am reminded of that famous scripture which goes something like this, " As a man thinketh so he shall be."
Prov.23 ?

 

[STR8UP]

Your cynicism maquerades as wisdom and insight, when it is really one of RT's beloved "buffers". You wear it like a suit of protective armor.
Men who radiate such intense self protection are probably also radiating "women repellant".

But then again what would I know .

If I were a woman who encountered a guy with your deeply held bitterness and who equates women with untrained anuimals, I would probably avoid you too.
Your fear of a woman taking advantage of you is contributing to the absence of a good one in your life.

Kind of funny that I'm actually "in" pretty good with a number of women, but what's even funnier is that they use the exact same words to try to shame me into conforming (read-marry them and knock them up)

Don't like the analogy? How else would you put it? You're the first one to go off about women's poor behavior. And some of it is natural to an extent (the urge to trade up, cheat, etc) but today it's out of control due to "poor training" (a society that allows them too much leeway).

Hopefully you will post here one day with a decent story of a successful encounter with one of those 'mythical' creatures "a quality woman".

And you know what? It just might happen! That's part of the wonderful nature of life. The difference is, when it happens I won't be going into it with blinders on. I know what women are capable of and I know that the only person that I can rely on to keep things in check (keeping the alpha frame) is ME.

Beyond that, it's out of my control.

 

[LeftyLoosey]

Your fear of a woman taking advantage of you is contributing to the absence of a good one in your life.

As a man thinketh so he shall be."

Is this some sort of second-level matrix? I think this is happening to a lot of men on this site (and possibly myself, I'll admit). We get busted out of the AFC "Matrix" and finally see the world for what it really is, but then we wonder if our eyes can really be trusted in this new reality. How do we know if we're not just in another layer of the Matrix?

How many red pills does it take to finally see the truth about women? How do you know that the woman you're dating is the real deal?

The problem here is that we've become so skeptical about our surroundings that we're unable to trust them. At some point, you've got to make a decision. Either:

a) Take a chance and risk getting hurt again (emotionally/financially); or

b) Never trust anyone and live a safe but potentially less satisfying life.

Right now, I find myself making choice "b" (and I think Str8up is doing the same).

Obviously there ARE women out there who can be trusted. The problem is, if you're wrong, the law protects them and not you.

 

[STR8UP]

Obviously there ARE women out there who can be trusted. The problem is, if you're wrong, the law protects them and not you.

And that pretty much sums it up folks......

 

[Nutz]

Obviously there ARE women out there who can be trusted. The problem is, if you're wrong, the law protects them and not you.

Absolutely agree. /thread

 

[slaog]

Is this some sort of second-level matrix? I think this is happening to a lot of men on this site (and possibly myself, I'll admit). We get busted out of the AFC "Matrix" and finally see the world for what it really is, but then we wonder if our eyes can really be trusted in this new reality. How do we know if we're not just in another layer of the Matrix?

How many red pills does it take to finally see the truth about women? How do you know that the woman you're dating is the real deal?
The problem here is that we've become so skeptical about our surroundings that we're unable to trust them. At some point, you've got to make a decision. Either:

a) Take a chance and risk getting hurt again (emotionally/financially); or

b) Never trust anyone and live a safe but potentially less satisfying life.

Right now, I find myself making choice "b" (and I think Str8up is doing the same).

Obviously there ARE women out there who can be trusted. The problem is, if you're wrong, the law protects them and not you.

There is no real truth. The truth is different for every individual according to their own personal beliefs.


If you think women cannot be trusted you'll find proof of that all around you. If you think women are trustworthy then you'll find proof of that too.


If you think people are sophisticated animals then you'll see them as that and therefore you cannot trust them. Jophil and Str8up have their own beliefs and find women according to their own beliefs. Jophil has more healthier beliefs then Str8up, IMO.


Just like all of us on sosuave have our own beliefs about things so does each individual woman out their. Some have fvcked up beliefs and some have healthy beliefs. Therefore there are quality women out there because they have principles and can easily say no to tempations.

 

[Truebrit]

Here is more about this woman:

http://www.helium.com/users/430307

She seems to have another kid now and also another men.

http://www.freewebs.com/frankimoon/apps/photos/album?albumid=726297

Anyone else read the first link - its very telling. It starts with her showboating her artistic personality "I have a serious passion for writing, photography, travelling, art, poetry, fitness, energy healing and anything related to self-improvement" - energy healing anyway?

...and ends with a small prefixed to her current muse:

"I should spare a word about my loyal and very patient man, Iqbal, who should win a star for making me laugh and growl more than any other man before (...now, said this he should be happy right?)"

The female ego-entitlement - "win a star" - there is sickening. She should be worshipping the ground he walks on for taking another guys child.

But lets be realistic on this AFC moppage - theres probably a 100 fools willing to take his place. What is it with guys these days?

She disgusts me.

 

[slaog]

Sorry, slaog, but I think that's a cop out, and I disagree. It's like saying, "If the Hindi believes in his creation story, that's his truth, and if the Christian believes in Genesis, that's his. They're both right." But we know that the search for truth involves more than perception; if we relied on our own eyes, ears, and vivid imaginations, we'd all be flaming AFCs. People come here for independent confirmation of facts, and for debate, and to determine which methods work versus which do not. That includes the "method" of your circle of influence over a female, and your analysis of her behavior.

I answered the question with regards to the Jophil/Str8up debate. How each perceives things differently according to their own beliefs.

The problem is that these behaviors need to be analyzed in large numbers, because yes, deviations exist (read: everyone is unique). Additionally, the root of the debate between Str8UP and jophil is a question of how, or whether, one can quantify "quality," especially as it relates to a female's propensity to flirt, sleep around, or what have you.

Usually you'll know by instinct what sort of a person the woman is. I find that if you're a quality man then you'll attract quality women because A you'll recognise quality women and B the quality women will recognise you.

 

[jophil28]

Sorry, slaog, but I think that's a cop out, and I disagree. It's like saying, "If the Hindi believes in his creation story, that's his truth, and if the Christian believes in Genesis, that's his. They're both right." But we know that the search for truth involves more than perception;

Indeed, those warm and comforting beliefs that we all hold are not necessarily 'truth' .
Perception is personal, truth is not. It is unfortunate that we have eagerly accepted some of those eastern mystical teachings which promote that "all fact is just interpretation" . But new philosophical or psych trends and fads are exciting and readily devoured by the gullible, and are not ever going to be dismantled by boring old-fashioned reason or evidence to the contrary.

W.Churchill said it best, " The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it , ignorance may deride it, but in the end there it is."

 

[STR8UP]

You probably wouldn't hire someone with a criminal record; why would you date someone with a slutty past? And yet hiring a "clean" employee doesn't 100% guarantee he won't reach into the till. You just have to use your good judgment and your experience and, yes, take a calculated chance.

Live and learn.

This is a good analogy.

Hiring an employee is similar to allowing a woman into your life. You have no choice but to instill a certain level of trust in them.

This also ties in with my "Perspective" thread. You really don't know human nature until you have had to hire employees.

 

[SXS]

Truebit:

The female ego-entitlement - "win a star" - there is sickening. She should be worshipping the ground he walks on for taking another guys child.

But lets be realistic on this AFC moppage - theres probably a 100 fools willing to take his place. What is it with guys these days?

She disgusts me.

Women take what is offered to them. If you go to your girlfrined house with a truck full of gold to give her, I guarantee you, she will probably accept and not ask where it come from or why you are doing this. Women can afford to be naive in the sense that they can believe in "good" nature, and things might just "happen" to them. Nobody made this poor fool to go after her, he went on good will.

 

[Nutz]

Women are generally only as faithful as their options. It boils down to risk/reward. Some women who you'd never would imagine would cheat do. I'd water most fall into the cheating category. The question is really comes down to this: how much does it take for the risk/reward to be worth it? Everyone has their price.

 

[SXS]

how much does it take for the risk/reward to be worth it? Everyone has their price.

Depends on where you live. In my country laws of marriage arent anything like in the USA/europe... Here, if you are a man, you are puting much less investment on the line, so there is less incentive for cheating.

 

[SXS]

Comments on this blog about this story:


http://petepatriarch.blogspot.com/2007/07/woman-cheats-has-baby-boasts-about-it.html

Must read.

Also, an upgrade, as she tells the story again:

http://www.pickmeupmagazine.co.uk/real_lives/Pregnant_but_whose_baby_was_it_article_148374.html

here she talks about her romance with a muslim man, "Iqbal", which must be the guy in the pictures on her personal link:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1218060/in_love_with_a_muslim_man_a_personal_pg5.html?cat=9

 

[Nutz]

Feminism gone wild. Women can f uck and suck all they want, and if they get found out it's never their fault. Oh no, not a woman. They can't do anything wrong, after all they're the "fairer sex" and "all things nice". Bull****! If anything women these days are pampered, spoiled, and sluttier than ever. That's the cold hard truth. The younger they are the worse the princess/entitlement attitude.