What do you make of this text that I got after the 1st date?

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I went out with a "talker" I met on the internet tonight. She never let me get a word in edgewise. She says she is almost new to dating because of being in a LTR that ended last August.

It was hard to tell if she had a good time or not because she was all over the place from the get go and was awkward the whole time. It is in her nature, however.

Here is the IM she sent before I arrived home.

Hey, hope you got home alright! I had fun, I got a little awkward saying goodbye, I'm new to this...kinda' weird for me! Anyway, I had fun, hope you enjoyed yourself a little bit! lol Well, gotta' go to blockbuster! Have a good night!

I am under the impression that I should look somewhere else and next her. She was too much a firecracker but very f*ckable. 8HB. A rarity around here.

My only reply was...
talk to you later

Fellas, there is a scarcity problem here in mid-Michigan. I'd like to see where this goes but don't expect much.

Any suggestions on my next move? Should I be completely silent for a few days?

She did say she was enjoying herself without my asking.
 

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Wondering: Why did she say that saying goodbye was awkward?
She sent you that text immediately after the date and you replied right back?

Silence for a few days after every date for a while is always good. Keeps them guessing. Keeps them on their toes. Makes them miss you.

And it's also always a good idea to keep looking anyway, up until you're exclusive with someone.
 

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LoneRanger said:
I went out with a "talker" I met on the internet tonight. She never let me get a word in edgewise. She says she is almost new to dating because of being in a LTR that ended last August.

It was hard to tell if she had a good time or not because she was all over the place from the get go and was awkward the whole time. It is in her nature, however.

Here is the IM she sent before I arrived home.

Hey, hope you got home alright! I had fun, I got a little awkward saying goodbye, I'm new to this...kinda' weird for me! Anyway, I had fun, hope you enjoyed yourself a little bit! lol Well, gotta' go to blockbuster! Have a good night!

I am under the impression that I should look somewhere else and next her. She was too much a firecracker but very f*ckable. 8HB. A rarity around here.

My only reply was...
talk to you later

Fellas, there is a scarcity problem here in mid-Michigan. I'd like to see where this goes but don't expect much.

Any suggestions on my next move? Should I be completely silent for a few days?

She did say she was enjoying herself without my asking.

?

Its a perfectly normal text message.

I would have replied.

'Yeh was fun, lets do it again on wednesday, come over to my place and i'll make us a meal'.

This silent for a few days is a rule created to stop AFC guys with too much interest fuc*ing up the chances, by being too keen with the texting and the phoning. AFC's will call a girl 4-7 times if the date went well in the first 'day'.

Guys who dont need to play to some script, i.e natural, just have fun and dont think too deeply about this crap.

Nothing wrong with that response.

If she wasn't into you, she wouldn't have texted you back.


'Talk to you later' - Was a little weak also, whats the point in sending that>? At least back the fu**er up with a phone call.

Some of you guys think way too much about this stuff.

You know you can be opposite of AFC and be 'creepy' and tbh, there is a point where you can go too far and start to look for hidden meanings in every interaction with the opposite sex - What your doing is playing two sides of the same coin and niether will get the girl -

I mean what sort of response and attitude is that? Its almost a self-defeating outlook, how the hell do you know what this chick is thinking from such a text message? Its a normal everyday, innocent text message - friendly and no malice at all -

And i've called girls, hours after our date and it still went ok - that two day rule is a load of crap! Created to stop AFC guys messing up there chances, thats all, because If a girl is into you, no mind games of missing you will mean jack ****, all it will mean is, you could have been doing the two-backed-monster a day earlier.

Your next move? - Stop acting like a machine! Relax, have fun and enjoy yourself.
 

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Dude, what's the big deal???

Look and sounded pretty normal. Call her up and as jonwon said, invite her to get together. Tell her SHE needs to cook for YOU, and bust on her for being too chatty.
 

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First date and thoughts of scarcity is a bad combination, regardless of the text. You may want to reflect on that perception and how it will affect your behavior in your future interactions with this woman or others.

[Scarcity. HB8/rarity. + Thoughts of 'should I next her' = Watch your Inner Game]
 

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I'd just forget about her, and date another. Come back to this one in a couple months or so if you want to re-unite. You've gotta play the field, no matter how ugly some of that field is up in Michigan.
 

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LoneRanger said:
I went out with a "talker" I met on the internet tonight. She never let me get a word in edgewise. She says she is almost new to dating because of being in a LTR that ended last August.
ON the positive side, she is showing strong buying signals,
ON the negative, she is a an irritating talking machine....that COULD be just severe anxiety in action.

I would NOT next her yet. You may be judging too harshly. After all she has not shown any bad character traits or moral defects has she ?

Give her a second date. Her 'hyper' behavior may just dissolve as she becomes more relaxed..
 

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the balls' in your court Bro. She opened the door wide! Are you going to walk in, or not?
 

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>> because If a girl is into you, no mind games of missing you will mean jack **** >>

I'd have to seriously, seriously disagree with that. If a chick is into you, and you dissapear for a couple of days, it ramps up her desire for you. It's a very strong psychological pull. Look at it this way: Think of a food you're really into. If you get served that food today, you'll eat it up because you're into it. If I serve it to you again tomorrow, you may not be that crazy about it, even though you love it. Serve it to you again and again, one after the other, it becomes routine. But if I serve it to you intermittently, have you miss it for a while, a few days, you'll start to crave it. Look at people on diets, they crave junk food they miss having. Even more disciplined body builders on dietary regiments, they need that cheat meal after a while. It has nothing to do with how into that food item you are, it's the deprivation of it that makes you want it, not the having of it, that's just the reward. Same principles apply.
 

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A few hours later I sent her this...

I did have fun tonight. Are you doing anything this weekend?
Lets chat tomorrow night if you have the time.
Good night, Becky.
:)

She is probably reading it now because it was sent after she goes to bed.

I hope things turn out well despite her being an hour drive away. Very good looking and a really hot body.

I am not going to blow up her phone or IM her constantly. ;)
 

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LoneRanger said:
She did say she was enjoying herself without my asking.
I'm not saying this girl is or isn't into you(it's still kind of hard to make an accurate assessment just yet), but do realize that just because a woman says, "she's enjoying herself", doesn't mean a damn thing. I had a hottie in her mid-20's or so, about 6 months ago, after approaching me, about 15 minutes into the conversation, tell me, "I feel like I've always known you", only to become a cold fish about 5 minutes later. Now, if she really felt that way about me, she wouldn't have turned cold. Women always say things they don't mean. Again, I'm not saying this girl didn't mean what she said to you, I'm just talking in general.
 

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Mr. Me said:
Wondering: Why did she say that saying goodbye was awkward?
The dinner/walk date was at the mall. It was getting dark out and I offered to walk her to her car but then she started getting weird about it.:crazy: We said good by at the exit door.

She is a manic type of personality. Kind of hard to read her. She was all over the place and I asked if she was nervious and she said she was. She never did internet dating before and her last man was last August.

At the end of the date I simply asked if she thinks we could do something like this again and she got really weirded out. Very strange. I don't get it.

Mr. Me said:
She sent you that text immediately after the date and you replied right back?
No, I waited a while. She was probably in bed by the time I sent it.

Mr. Me said:
And it's also always a good idea to keep looking anyway, up until you're exclusive with someone.
I will try to get other contacts but that is not easy in this area.
 

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Huh...

I don't get it.

24 hours later and she never replied to my IM.

???

Some class. No "no thanks" or anything. However, this does happen when dating online. It is very easy for the other person to just hit the delete key. :(

What do you think I should do next?

Her interest level seemed high. There is someone else who wants to talk to me online, however. ;)
 

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LoneRanger said:
At the end of the date I simply asked if she thinks we could do something like this again and she got really weirded out. Very strange. I don't get it.


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Not so strange..she either has high levels of anxiety and needed to retreat for a day or so to consider whether she wanted to date you again OR, she is thinking that you are not the man of her dreams.

There is another possible explanation to explain her behavior...and this third explanation is much more common that many guys would believe.
After some women break up with their LTR , they frequently withdraw into their g/friends, sisters or they sometimes cling to their children as a source of warm and intimacy. These woman say things like, " MY children are my world.."
After a decent time of being around kids and other women, they then re-enter the dating landscape very cautiously. IF you date one of these, you will experience adolescent and skittish behavior, contradictory statements, flaking, and lots of uncertainty in her. ..You may hear, " Let's take this slowly.."
She is really just re-building her ego and confidence and she will do it on your time and on your dollar. In effect you are 'rebound guy'.

Just a wild guess but my money says that she is doing exactly that.
Avoid!
 

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jophil28 said:
Just a wild guess but my money says that she is doing exactly that.

Avoid!
She told me upfront in an IM chat that she backed out of her wedding 10 days before it was suppose to happen back in August.

She found out that her soon to be husband was doing drugs and broke it off with him immediately.
 

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Next her. She isn't that into you.

You offered to do the right gentlemanly thing by walking her to her car. Any chick would go along with that, so why would she object? My guess is she wanted to avoid what would happen next, meaning, kissing you, which is what she saw happening if you walked her to her car. Just like a chick who says, "You don't have to walk me to the door" when you drop her off at home and gets out of the car herself.

Add that to how she was fidgety during the date. I'd say it's not that she hasn't had a man since August or that she's new to internet dating or any excuse other then she wasn't that comfortable being with you. Women can get nervous either if you're gorgeous and exceeded what they expected you to look like or if they really don't want to be there but feel stuck.

Then she texts you, I think, out of guilt. Just to make herself seem like a nice person.

This is the only way her behavior totally makes sense to me.

Some suggestions for you when it comes to online dating because stuff like this has happened to you before:

Don't make the first date a dinner date. Meet them over a drink or a cup of coffee or tea. Keep it short, about an hour long and then decide if you'd like to see them again. You want to avoid the mamas that come out for a free meal.

Don't make dates via texting. Pick up the phone and call and get them on the phone (don't request a date over VM), chit chat for five to ten minutes, make 'em laugh, then invite them out to some fun activity. texting permits them to dodge just like what she's doing. Then she can claim she never got the text. If you call and get them on the phone, they can't tell you they never got the call. We're disarming their technology by not using it accordingly.

This:

A few hours later I sent her this...

I did have fun tonight. Are you doing anything this weekend?
Lets chat tomorrow night if you have the time.
Don't be in touch with her right after the date. Let her dwell on the date and wonder if there'll be another..

You asking her if she's free this weekend signals that you're free this weekend, and that signals that you have no other options going on. It'd be more helpful to you if you let their imagination wonder what you're doing with your weekends. Not only does that help ramp up their interest in you, you will then in time see how genuine their interest is when and if they ask you to take them out on the weekend.

I was a dating a girl recently and only took her out Sundays or weekday nights. Well, eventually she said to me, "What do I have to do to be in your top three?" Now, I never said anything to her about dating other girls or how many I was dating, all I ever said to her up front was that "we're free agents". See how it got in her mind? because she was interested and wanted to displace the competition she assumed was there.

Anyway, I threw the question back at her, instead of answering it directly. "You want to be in my top three?" I asked. Her reply was great! "Actually", she says, "I want to be Number One." That was on our third date (not counting the "coffee date").

I give you this story to illustrate how dangling yourself as a carrot really does elevate the interest that's there. I don't pursue, I don't chase. They chase me. But you have to give them the opportunity to chase otherwise they don't have to, see.

So if you avoid mentioning "are you doing anything this weekend" they wonder "WTF? Doesn't he want to see me again?" If you don't tell them what you would like to have happen "Lets chat tomorrow night" then they have the opportunity to wonder if you're ever going to call again (and saying, "if you have the time" is weak, brother. That's like excusing yourself to her, do you see that?) and who knows - maybe she'd call YOU instead. Let her chase.

Me, I wouldn't be in contact with a chick after a first date even if she called or texted or whatever. I'd rather have her think I'm out somewhere else. I want her to miss me. Oh, speaking of that, that girl I was telling you about? After a few more dates, she says to me, "Is it okay if I told you that when I don't see you, I miss you?" Ah! See, I listen to these things that come out of their mouths and take note. She MISSES me - and that makes her want to see me MORE. That's what I'm passing along to you. And after a few more dates she asked for a relationship. I told her I had to think about it. I was still evaluating her. A month later, I was cool it with it, I said okay. You may think good women are rare in the U.P., but even here around NYC, a pretty women in decent shape who treats you right and doesn't have any major issues, well, that's pretty rare too.
 

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Thanks for the insight.

The date was originally for a coffee shop located directly between where we live but it closes soon after she gets out of work. I see what you mean about dinner dates. It cost me $23 and in the end probably was not worth it.

At the restaurant I excused myself to the restroom and came back to find her rummaging bills from her purse to pay for her dinner. Should have let her pay for it.

Her nervousness seems to be part of her personality as evidenced in the IMs, phone convo and date. When we first spoke on the phone she said she was nervious because she never dated online but really wanted to meet me.

She talks a lot and was all over the place. Cut me off mid sentence a bunch of times. Kind of rude to do that. Her Yahoo ID is Whitetrashmom. lol She has two rats for pets,too.

This dating is getting fustrating for me. Looked like I had a sure thing here and turns out I didn't. I didn't let my expectations get high but it is still disappointing and a blow to the ego because attractive women who are not brats are scarce around here. :(

Most say I am a fun and very attractive man. I dress well. Damn! This is fustrating!

Any more comments and suggestions are welcome. It will help soften this blow.
 

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>> because If a girl is into you, no mind games of missing you will mean jack **** >>

I'd have to seriously, seriously disagree with that. If a chick is into you, and you dissapear for a couple of days, it ramps up her desire for you. It's a very strong psychological pull. Look at it this way: Think of a food you're really into. If you get served that food today, you'll eat it up because you're into it. If I serve it to you again tomorrow, you may not be that crazy about it, even though you love it. Serve it to you again and again, one after the other, it becomes routine. But if I serve it to you intermittently, have you miss it for a while, a few days, you'll start to crave it. Look at people on diets, they crave junk food they miss having. Even more disciplined body builders on dietary regiments, they need that cheat meal after a while. It has nothing to do with how into that food item you are, it's the deprivation of it that makes you want it, not the having of it, that's just the reward. Same principles apply.
I understand the concept - but it only has power to some guy who does not know how to handle his ****.

Just a few weeks ago, me and my buddie met two chicks in bar - after the night with them - we put them in a taxi and neither chick give any buying signs they wanted to fuc* - Anyway me and my friend headed home - He takes out his phone and rings the chick he just dropped off - now there was no interaction that told this guy he could fu** this chick, nothing - He just did it.

I go home, it was late and I had to be at work - he stays in the taxi and heads to the chicks house, even though she told him not to -

Next morning after he'd fuc*ed her from ten ways till Sunday, he phones me up and tells me about it - They are now going steady and this girl is hot.

Yes I slept with the friend a few days later when I invited her to my place for a meal, a film with a bottle of wine.

Whilst we are debating the two day rule, there are guys out there fuc*ing the girls on the first date, by being brash, ****y, confident and just being natural - Girls want to fuc* too - so these head games are all well and good but in the shape of things have so little meaning, there pointless.

Also remember this:

An attractive girl is going to get offers, I accept that - Girls will get offers, so whilst the guy is waiting to make 'her want him' (like giving her a real good fuc*ing is not going to make her want him more) - this girl could get another offer in that time -

He who waits, masturbates: That is my moto - has long has you don’t come across like a needy wuss-bag you can forget about the two day rule crap.

I also dislike the ‘set of rigid code’ cra*. If a girl wants you, she will make it easy for you – Some of my most AFC days, I still slept with chicks, because chicks make this game easy, not hard – Open the numbers, approach. It really is has simple has ABC – Open, talk – F***!

Has a matter of fact a good % of your interactions with women, she will know if she wants to fuc* you within 3seconds of meeting you – only thing you need to do then, is to not fuc* up your chances by doing something stupid.

Guys who have zero game - who do not have a clue about the two day rule are fuc*ing girls, they are sleeping with girls right now in-fact - What did they do, get lucky and wait two days and got her panties all wet?

The rule is for AFC guys, who are too keen, to pandering, begging little wuss bags - And it was created so these simps will not mess themselves up by 'begging' for company - thats all it is.

And a girl talking alot, is a sign of nerves, its a sign of interest - she does not want to mess her chances up with 'you'!

If you dont persue this, you need your head tested.
Edit - Just read the name she calls herself - mm not sure if I approve. Whitetrashmum, wtf is that!

P.S stop paying for chicks too.
 

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whilst the guy is waiting to make 'her want him' (like giving her a real good fuc*ing is not going to make her want him more) - this girl could get another offer in that time -
Okay, I'm going to give you my Mature Man's thinking: You make it sound like the goal is to score on the first date. Maybe it is for some guys. So when you talk about "it only has power to some guy who does not know how to handle his ****", I think guys who can't handle their d1cks are the ones that need to score on the first date, their d1cks rule them.

If she takes another offer, then she's not all that into you, she'd most likely have spread her legs for whatever other guy she may have been out with that night instead. Any ****'ll do. Fine. But I've had chicks DROP other guys they were seeing right after they went out with me even when I didn't have sex on the first date with them. Now that's what you'd call an interested chick. I must be a helluva guy if I can get that kind of devotion without even "giving them a real good fuc*ing" first.

It's not like I haven't been where you are. Sex as soon as possible, sex on the first night, sure, that used to be my MO. But I found that what it does is get you into situations with women you don't really know. Whackos. Psychos. Yeah, I've had some relationships come out of them too. But who they really are comes out later after some time when their guard comes down and that's when the fun begins and guys post here with their WTF crazy chick stories and want to know what to do - mostly because they hooked up with basically strangers or made poor choices in their selection and hooked up with the wrong women. So your buddy may be going "steady" with a hot chick that he "fuc*ed from ten ways till Sunday" on the first night after some alcohol, but his having obtained a relationship with her so quickly does not qualify as any measure of success.

>> And a girl talking alot, is a sign of nerves, its a sign of interest - she does not want to mess her chances up with 'you'!>>

But if she doesn't return his texts/calls then why would she be messing up those chances, letting them slip away if she's interested? Why would she not have walked to her car with him?

>> Guys who have zero game - who do not have a clue about the two day rule are fuc*ing girls, they are sleeping with girls right now in-fact - What did they do, get lucky and wait two days and got her panties all wet? >>

No, many of them are rushing the chick and overwhelming her with their neediness and turning her off and not getting the date. Others are getting laid because she's horny. Or she's insecure and has low self esteem and is eating up the attention he's giving her, and she wants him. Like Tom Leykis preaches, go after the insecure, low self esteem chick, she's easy.

But let's say you come across a high self esteem woman. If you have game, and if she likes the way you look, you can take her level of interest and ramp it up literally speaking without doing anything. Makes just as much sense to do that as it does to make sure you're looking good. I mean, you already do things specifically to pull chicks, so this is simply yet another very good tool in the arsenal. Why knock it if it works?

Make them way more interested in you and trust me - you'll get plenty of sex for a far longer time from a way interested chick and the fact that you didn't have sex on the first night isn't going to be a problem.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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