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I've only been on one date this entire year, which later resulted in ghosting. I've had women ask me out just to flake on me and ghost completely out of nowhere. I'll have women go out of their way to try to lead me on purely for attention, leaving me with nothing at the end of the day. Tried tinder and online dating a few times and literally got nothing from it.

I have friends and a normal guy, so it isn't like I'm some basement dweller playing wow all day. I'm 6'4", naturally broad shouldered and very fit, so that can't be an issue. Women make everything super difficult for me or in cases where we will run into each other they friend zone me. The one feeling I get from them is that they are looking for something to have an excuse to reject me, I can't explain it but it is a feeling I have. I'm not sure if it's something I'm doing but I'll see these same women having their defenses totally down with other guys that aren't like me physically. I'm actually a nice guy but I'm not sure what to do at this point, because it is obvious I need to be doing something different.
 

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Your looks are sufficient, meaning your problems are all internal. I suggest DJ boot camp to get started. You will only learn what works and what does not by approaching hundreds of women, and talking to hundreds of people. At some point, you will gain the ability to read people much better and essentially learn to "play them like a fiddle."

But it takes practice, loads of it. Another good way is to work a couple months in a fast paced customer service business, where you regularly interact with a wide demographic of people.

If I had to sum it up. You have to learn to give people what they want (or at least the illusion of it) while getting what you want.

Read some books too...
1. Dale Carnegie - how to win friends and influence people
2. Men are from Mars, women are from venus
3. The way of the superior man
4. Client-centered therapy. this is dense, but riddled with good psychology.
 

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What is your confidence like?

I'm not talking about no fake "yeah I'm confident" I mean honestly, when interacting with women and your overall mentality with women how is your confidence?

Lots of guys say confidence is a lie, but let me tell you it's not.

When you think very highly of yourself, you carry yourself in a attractive way.
This is where "swag" comes from,

Swag= "the way one carries themself in a way that others see them as sexy or cool"

Without that swagger or sex appeal women won't be into you, they won't think your sexy and they won't think your cool(they will think your lame)

All the Guys I know including myself who do the best with women, either are very good looking or have that swagger/sex appeal.

Think about how you would feel after fvcking three 10s in the same week, think about how you would carry yourself after that, how you talk to women and how you will walk and talk after that, exactly, you will be so full of confidence that you will walk different, talk different, hold longer eye contact ECT.

Don't get down bro, we all been there at some point, keep pushing and stay positive, once you finally have a successful experience your confidence will go up.
 

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I've only been on one date this entire year, which later resulted in ghosting. I've had women ask me out just to flake on me and ghost completely out of nowhere. I'll have women go out of their way to try to lead me on purely for attention, leaving me with nothing at the end of the day. Tried tinder and online dating a few times and literally got nothing from it.

I have friends and a normal guy, so it isn't like I'm some basement dweller playing wow all day. I'm 6'4", naturally broad shouldered and very fit, so that can't be an issue. Women make everything super difficult for me or in cases where we will run into each other they friend zone me. The one feeling I get from them is that they are looking for something to have an excuse to reject me, I can't explain it but it is a feeling I have. I'm not sure if it's something I'm doing but I'll see these same women having their defenses totally down with other guys that aren't like me physically. I'm actually a nice guy but I'm not sure what to do at this point, because it is obvious I need to be doing something different.
You're not ugly for sure.

Then the problem lays with how you carry yourself in real life.

@Roober as usual is on point though I've not read any of the books he mentioned.

I would however do as he suggests such as working in a fast paced environment and then aim towards being a manager in a small outfit.

At the same time enrol yourself in some leadership short courses that places emphasis on body language, public speaking and basic management skills.

I find many men knowledgeable but their lack of leadership skills has put a damper on their social acceptance.
 

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being bald is nonsense unless you have good face bones

the worse your face structure is, the more things like hair/stubble/earrings you need to take away their attention from your face while still looking good
 

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I've only been on one date this entire year, which later resulted in ghosting. I've had women ask me out just to flake on me and ghost completely out of nowhere. I'll have women go out of their way to try to lead me on purely for attention, leaving me with nothing at the end of the day. Tried tinder and online dating a few times and literally got nothing from it.

I have friends and a normal guy, so it isn't like I'm some basement dweller playing wow all day. I'm 6'4", naturally broad shouldered and very fit, so that can't be an issue. Women make everything super difficult for me or in cases where we will run into each other they friend zone me. The one feeling I get from them is that they are looking for something to have an excuse to reject me, I can't explain it but it is a feeling I have. I'm not sure if it's something I'm doing but I'll see these same women having their defenses totally down with other guys that aren't like me physically. I'm actually a nice guy but I'm not sure what to do at this point, because it is obvious I need to be doing something different.
Hate to say it, but you're starting to sound like BigDave17. That guy went on and on about how good looking he is yet he said women made it impossible for him to get a date. Just totally unrealistic scenarios like 'how can I approach when 17 women stand in a circle?' He approached never, yet wondered why he couldn't ever get a date.

To put it simply, you have the same negative mindset and don't approach women.
 

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The problem is your not ugly but you probably care too much. Meaning you counting on how many dates you've been on this year. This used to bother me as well to the point on lying about it in my 20's. Maybe it's your friends are talking smack and in that case they could be making stuff up about the women they are supposely banging. My advice is this stop caring. Stay off Tinder ang the dating sites for a while don't even think about doing anything related to dating. Instead do something you like doing and focus on that. Trust me on this when women see you are focused on something that is not about them, they'll be orbiting you. Also, for women flaking here is how I deal with it. Women see men as utlitites on every level. So even when you are the friends with benefits you are a utility to her. Women in relationships and marriage same deal. So what you have to do is really stop putting effort what so ever in these women. They are going to be the ones that flake but you have to get to the point of not caring and be like Jerry Seinfeld and say eh and move on to the next. Also another bit of advice. Don't get hung up on looks and the girl flakes same deal with them. What you are doing using a sports medaphor is you are building a championship team which is you. Ok I'm not sure if you watch hockey or not but I used to play and love hockey so my favourite team is the Toronto Maple Leafs. They sucked a few years ago but they've built around John Tavares, Auston Matthews, Mitch Marnier, William Nylander, Jake Gardiner, Nazim Kadri, Freddy Andersen and so on. Think of yourself as a professional sports team. Even in the early 2000's Pittsburgh sucked and now with Sidney Crosby, Evengi Malkin and Phil Kessel they won 3 Stanley Cups in the past how many years. Ok weird analogy but it is almost 630 in the morning and I'm at work and I finishing at 7. LOL........
 

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You can not judge a man's SMV from just a picture. My guess is you believe chicks think like dudes. With men it's 85% looks, if a chick is hot that is all we need. Women not so much. Nothing wrong with your looks, so it must be something else.

One date in a year? IMO you are not even trying. It could be that you are just asking out chicks you REALLY like. Honestly, as a dude.... you should be asking out any chick that you would fvck without worry about the emotional connection.

Develop an attitude that your job as a man is to fvck the world... Every chick you can get it up for is a chick you want to fvck. Then let them decide is they want to keep you. Love is for pvssies... you just want fun and sex. This will put you in the right mindset.
 

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What is your confidence like?

I'm not talking about no fake "yeah I'm confident" I mean honestly, when interacting with women and your overall mentality with women how is your confidence?

Lots of guys say confidence is a lie, but let me tell you it's not.

When you think very highly of yourself, you carry yourself in a attractive way.
This is where "swag" comes from,

Swag= "the way one carries themself in a way that others see them as sexy or cool"

Without that swagger or sex appeal women won't be into you, they won't think your sexy and they won't think your cool(they will think your lame)

All the Guys I know including myself who do the best with women, either are very good looking or have that swagger/sex appeal.

Think about how you would feel after fvcking three 10s in the same week, think about how you would carry yourself after that, how you talk to women and how you will walk and talk after that, exactly, you will be so full of confidence that you will walk different, talk different, hold longer eye contact ECT.

Don't get down bro, we all been there at some point, keep pushing and stay positive, once you finally have a successful experience your confidence will go up.
I'm a confident guy in general but when it comes to my interactions with women I feel like I'm on stage in front of an audience. I can approach, I've made several threads about those on here about them, but it just doesn't feel that natural for me. I have very little in common with most women so it is difficult for me to make any sort of connection with them. I'm more introverted by nature and of above average intelligence so I got a lot out of a video I watched from Jordan Peterson about people like me trying to make friends, etc. I try to show a general interest but I have a difficult time going beyond that because there just isn't much to work with. I used to have a very difficult time making male friends but I find that very easy at this point, my issue now is with the opposite sex.
 

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Hate to say it, but you're starting to sound like BigDave17. That guy went on and on about how good looking he is yet he said women made it impossible for him to get a date. Just totally unrealistic scenarios like 'how can I approach when 17 women stand in a circle?' He approached never, yet wondered why he couldn't ever get a date.

To put it simply, you have the same negative mindset and don't approach women.
I do approach, I've made threads on here about them.
 

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Your looks are sufficient, meaning your problems are all internal. I suggest DJ boot camp to get started. You will only learn what works and what does not by approaching hundreds of women, and talking to hundreds of people. At some point, you will gain the ability to read people much better and essentially learn to "play them like a fiddle."

But it takes practice, loads of it. Another good way is to work a couple months in a fast paced customer service business, where you regularly interact with a wide demographic of people.

If I had to sum it up. You have to learn to give people what they want (or at least the illusion of it) while getting what you want.

Read some books too...
1. Dale Carnegie - how to win friends and influence people
2. Men are from Mars, women are from venus
3. The way of the superior man
4. Client-centered therapy. this is dense, but riddled with good psychology.
That's funny you mention that because a couple weeks ago I picked up a part time evening job delivering pizza to make some extra money for investments.
 

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You’re putting women on a pedestal. Like @RangerMIke said, just go approach; that’s your problem. Sounds like you’re too much in your head and need a simple perspective change.

Your looks are fine. And if you’re 6’4 and in good shape, you really shouldn’t complain or second guess that.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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So hard to tell from just a picture and what you say over text. Would really need a video watching you interact with your guy friends, and with women to give better advice.

But going with my gut based on a picture and text alone, I might guess that you are a fairly introspective person who doesn't smile a lot and prefers to be slightly in the background observing and analyzing others as opposed to being on the front-lines of the social-event/group laughing and joking and being in the moment? Let me know if that's correct and if so, I can tailor some advice for you.
 

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I do approach, I've made threads on here about them.
You're clearly not approaching enough. Either that, or you're going to have to invest a lot more time in online dating. I think Amante Silvestre and others use online dating exclusively.
 

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So hard to tell from just a picture and what you say over text. Would really need a video watching you interact with your guy friends, and with women to give better advice.

But going with my gut based on a picture and text alone, I might guess that you are a fairly introspective person who doesn't smile a lot and prefers to be slightly in the background observing and analyzing others as opposed to being on the front-lines of the social-event/group laughing and joking and being in the moment? Let me know if that's correct and if so, I can tailor some advice for you.
Lol

I've had several of my friends tell me that I don't smile much in general and that it's even more so the case when I talk to women. One of my friends said that I kind of come across as serious and kind of intimidating to other people. As I mentioned on another post on here, I'm by nature a more introverted person and it takes me a while to really open up to people and truly be myself. Also, I used to have a dificult time making friends in general when I was younger, which is no longer the case.
 

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You're clearly not approaching enough. Either that, or you're going to have to invest a lot more time in online dating. I think Amante Silvestre and others use online dating exclusively.
I'm honestly not in that many situations to meet women. Last girl I asked out was about 2 weeks ago when I was at the verizon store, she was one of the sales staff working with me when I was there. After I was done we were talking for a few minutes and I asked her for her number which is when she said she had a bf.

Other girls I approach are usually at the gym, which always resulted in attention whoring. Asked out a female banker in September who was sitting down with me when I was discussing a loan, she gave me her number and we were texting back and forth that afternoon. Next day she gave me an indirect let down saying she wasn't looking to date at that time.The actual date I went on this year was with a woman I met at a club/bar on a Saturday night, we were talking there for over an hour. A couple days later we met up for a mini golfing date which involved me wrapping my arms around her to putt the ball and at the end of the date her kissing me. We had texted over the next few days and she just ghosted.
 
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I've had several of my friends tell me that I don't smile much in general and that it's even more so the case when I talk to women. One of my friends said that I kind of come across as serious and kind of intimidating to other people. As I mentioned on another post on here, I'm by nature a more introverted person and it takes me a while to really open up to people and truly be myself. Also, I used to have a dificult time making friends in general when I was younger, which is no longer the case.
Ok that's some good insight. So you can start by working on that..... the non-smiling intensity. I think your friend verbalized it well with the comment of coming across as serious and intimidating. That is definitely something you can work on. Smile more, joke more, try to get silly. Also, you mentioned that you used to have a difficult time making friends when younger. Those scars run DEEP and take a long time to heal. They really form who you become as an adult and it can take a lot of effort to undo that damage. One of the BEST ways you can break out of it is to practice social freedom exercises. This means just doing silly awkward sh*t in public that will cause strangers around you to judge you and look at you funny. It is really stepping outside of your comfort zone but doing it helps you become much more confident and care/worry much less about what other people think of you because you will realize that most people literally don't care. Most people will ignore you, maybe chuckle a little bit, maybe give you a funny look, but then they go on their way with their lives and that's it. It's not like back in school where you might say or do one stupid thing and 50 kids then tease you about it for 10 years subsequently. Examples of things to do: Walk up to a random girl on the street and ask her if she will marry you. Stand on a park bench flapping your arms like a bird with a crazed look in your eye. Do the moonwalk or dance down a sidewalk. Do jumping jacks in the middle of the sidewalk. Walk up to a random woman and tell her you have STDs. The goal here is to stop taking yourself so seriously, and to help you realize no one else takes you that seriously either. You need to develop an IDGAF attitude. It will be hard at first, and it will take time to undo those scars, but trust me it will be worth it and you will immediately start to feel better as you see how well it works.

Second thing I notice is that you sound like you are texting women a lot, and it sounds like it's not been working well. IE some women who may have been interested are losing their interest after you text them. Without seeing the texts, it's hard to say what the issue could be, but my experience is that you can't build attraction over texts, and you have to be careful with the amount you text. You should be a popular, busy guy with a lot of opportunity with women. If that doesn't describe you right now, then you need to at least pretend that is the case until it is. How do you do that? Think about a guy who is like that, and what would he do? Would he have a lot of time to text back and forth with one chick? Would he be interested in investing a ton of time texting with a girl he hasn't even slept with yet? No to both. So you text her to setup dates and that's it. You build rapport in person, not over text. If she texts you, you should respond, but only send 2-3 messages back and forth max, and then tell her, "Hey I have to run, but I'm looking forward to Friday night!" Convey that you are busy, but interested in her and looking forward to seeing her. Also, your banker woman story, it sounds like you texted her the same day (within hours) of getting her number. Again, that's not what a busy popular guy with a lot of options would do. He'd wait a couple days and then text her. And when he texted her, it would be to setup a date, not shoot the sh*t. Also, based on your banker story, it sounds like you didn't ask her out on a date, but instead just texted back and forth? Women want a guy who gets to the point quickly, and YOU should want to get to the point quickly so you can determine whether or not you are wasting your time on someone. If you don't get to the point quickly, women will think you aren't confident and that you are waiting for them to give you a sign that it's safe to ask them out. That's bad. If I got that banker's number, I'd wait 2-3 days and text her:

Me: "Hey Sarah, it's _____. Was good meeting you the other day."
Her: "Hey ____, yeah, you too"
Me: "I enjoyed talking to you the other day and would love to meet for a drink soon. How about this Friday 8pm at the Brown Cow Pub?"

If she says she is busy at that time and gives no alternate dates/times, I won't even reply to her. If she says she's busy but gives an alternate time, I'll set the date and tell her I look forward to it and then I will not initiate text again.

Another thing - sounds like you are hitting on a lot of women while they work. This is a viable strategy but in my experience, the odds of success are reduced. It can be easy to misinterpret a woman being nice vs being interested, because it's her job. And second, some women feel like it's wrong or risky to accept dates with customers... like there may be policy against it or other bad things could happen. So if you want to do day-game women who are working, you can do it, but understand the odds will be reduced.

The more details you provide, the more we can help. The girl you went on a golf date with..... what did you text about in the days after the date, who initiated the texts, and how often did you text before she ghosted?
 
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