Was there a specific incident which made you decide you wanted to stop being an AFC?

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I was just thinking about the incident that made me decide to become a DJ, or more accurately, made me decide to stop being an AFC.

Six years ago, I was your sterotypical AFC. Nice to everybody. Lots of female friends whose problems I listened to and whose spare time I occupied between boyfriends, but whose bodies were never available to me.

Then I met a girl. Young, about seventeen (turned eighteen two weeks after I met her). Beautiful. New in the city where I live. About to attend the same university where I was studying. Appeared to enjoy my company.Love at first sight. I did all the things that AFC's do when in love. Bought her meals. Took time off work to show her around. Waited hours in places I knew she would be, just for the chance to talk to her.

Strangely enough, this worked for awhile. She reciprocated my interest. Nothing physical happened between us but we spent a lot of time time hanging out. Once or twice she would attempt to initiate something, but being the good little AFC that I was, I would ignore these signals, waiting for the perfect time to ask her out properly.

A week later, she got drunk and lost her virginity to an Irish backpacker eleven years her senior that she had met at a bar.

It was the same bar that I had introduced her to a few weeks earlier. She and I had met the same backpacker once before. At the time, she had laughed at what a sleaze he was. She spent weeks after that crying on my shoulder. Telling me how much she missed home. How inconsiderate and rough her first time had been. Telling me she was so drunk, she had to beg him to stop several times so she could throw up in the bathroom. She told me how much she appreciated my friendship, how I was the first person to treat her like an adult. Like a good little AFC, I listened to all this and gave her all the time in the world to feel better about herself. I would comfort her after she would go out to try to find this irishman at our local bar, even though she didn't know why.

Then I asked her out. She rejected me outright, telling me it would never work out. Like a good little AFC, I told her it was alright. I was happy to still be her friend.

We stayed in contact for awhile after that. She moved out of the apartment block that I lived in. I still had strong feelings for her, but told myself that at least I hd her friendship. One day, I met the irish backpacker again at my local pub. He bragged about having "f**ked my girl". He called her "a little s**t" and spoke of having "broken her in, good and proper the way that you wished you could". Like a good little AFC, I literally picked him up and smacked him against a wall to shut him up. I had never been in a fight before, not even in high school. He ran off while I enjoyed my lovely delusions of being the honourable knight who defended the honour of the woman he loved.

I didn't mention the incident to her until six months later. One night, after too many drinks and too many stories of as*hole guys that she had slept with in college, I told her what happened. She went quiet for awhile, and then told me she felt a lot better about her first time now and that she was grateful for what I did. When she left, she gave me a hug and told me that she would always be grateful for my friendship. Like a good little AFC, I entertained fantasies about how she would realise that I was the one for her, that she would see that I was the one who truly lover her.

It was after that she withdrew from me. She told me that her mobile phone was stolen, and she had not purchased another. I took it all in stride, and assumed she was just too busy. That we were growing distant due to the different paths in life we were taking.

About a year later, I became friends with a friend of this girl. At first, she seemed distant and uncomfortable around me, but after awhile, she seemed to warm to me. One night while driving her home after a party, she told me that she had warmed to me because I was nothing like how the girl had described me. She tolkd me how this girl had told all her friends that I had spent all the time when we first met trying to convince her to give up my virginity to me.How I had apparently explicitly said to her that if she was tired of being a virgin, that I would be happy to have sex with her. How I had relentless pursued her and constantly made unwelcome propositions towards her. This mutual friend also told me of how she would talk about her first time as being perfect, and just the way that she wanted it. How a suave irishman had swept her off her feet and taught her the ways of the world. How much fun the night had been, and how she would measure all other encounters by how she had enjoyed that evening, and how she was glad that she was able to fend off the advances of the sleazy older guy who hung around her all the time.

That night, I decided I was sick of being an AFC.

I began working out. I stopped being at the back and call of my female friends. Some of them asked if they had done anything wrong, whether I was avoiding them. Some of them ended up sleeping with me to reassure themselves that I still like them. I started asking girls out. I found the less I cared about a girl, the more desperate she became to keep my attention. I stopped wanting that idealised relationship I dreamed of as an AFC, and found myself having more female attention and more sex then I could have ever imagined two years ago.

In some ways, I am glad that I met this girl. If it wasn't for her, I would probably still be desperately trying to appease women and wondering why they would run off with other guys who treated them badly. I learnt to stop expending so much energy on helping others at the expense of developing myself. I have learnt to draw boundaries, and look after my own interests. Remembering the time I was able to physically confront someone to defend the honour of someone I cared about, no matter how misguided, has given me a confidence that has spilled over into other aspects of my life, and allowed me to be more assertive then I was two years ago.

At the same time, I still find myself feeling anger at the way women behave. I sometimes look at the way that women will respond to my indifference and the way they talk about their platonic male friends, and wonder why they choose to be with me. I was once getting intimate with a gorgeous redhead I met at a bar, when her obviously concerned male friend came by to try to take her home. She told him to "p*ss off" and then after he left, laughed about what a "p*ssy" he was. I saw how hurt he looked as he left, and remembered all the times that I had been in the same position and found myself feeling enraged at this girl. although not enough to dissuade me from going back to her place not half an hour later ...

Anyway, that turned out to be a lot more detailed then I anticipated. Have other DJ's had similar experiences? Have there been specific incidents which made you decide that enough was enough? Do you find yourself sometimes questioning why women repond better to indifference then genuine concern? Just would like to know if my experiences are unique, or just something that every guy has to go through.
 

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yes. The no sex.
 

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It was because of a girl for me as well, if you read some of my other posts you will see me mention my current attempts to pull out of the friend zone and get into her pants.
 

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Nothing like this ever happened to me before. I naturally ignore girls that I liked w/o feeling antsy, hell I ignorened the most beautiful girl I ever saw the whole time we had a class until she decided to initiate. But one day I realized that I ignored girls way too much which was pretty AFC in itself, so I try to approach more now instead of letting the girl do the approaching.

But hey I know how you feel bro, I have a friend whos going through soemthing like that right now. Hopefully he will break out of it like you did.
 

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Long story short:

Hot paris hilton esque blonde was all over me. I didn't get the hint so two years later she gave up. I wondered what I did wrong.

Her advances gave me confidence in my attractiveness. It also made me angry at my completely backwards method of thinking when it came to women. I was AFC.

So I found Doc Love and started to apply his advice to my life. It worked. I'm happy. I regularly have lots of sex with hot babes. I have a good career lined up. I realized what's truly important in life, and that it isn't girls.
 

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My wife gained 70 pounds, then insisted that I was less attracted to her. Then, while we lived apart waiting for her to finish school, she put up several Internet personal ads and was meeting men off the net to screw, while I was paying her grad school tuition and writing her papers. It was my fault, she said, because I was less attracted to her because she was fat. She strung it out long enough to get through the INS interview so that she could get her green card. After I found out everything, I forgave her completely (can you believe this?) and begged her to come back to me. She told me that grovelling wasn't attractive, and that she was just not attracted to me anymore. Keep in mind, I am a 6' lean and fit lawyer-to-be while she is 5'4 190. I begged, but she divorced me. Legally, there is no fighting it.

Now, we are still "friends" but I very much enjoy telling her about all of my conquests - I am only dating beautiful women. It is rather validating. She has had no luck with men. I still have a genuine lack of respect for women that will keep me single for a long time. I could probably get my ex-wife back, but why would I want her?
 

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my incident

It was my junior year of high school and I met this girl through my friend named Jessica. I automatically had a thing for her and started developing a thing for her. All through the time Iwas getting to know her, she would let the *******s treat her bad and cry to me about it. Guess what, I was not getting any ass from her. There was this one guy in particular named Travis who use to use her all the time. I told her not to get near him but she never listened and always hooked up with her. Travis did not need her so he would dump her after they had sex every time this happened. She would cry to me and I did not feel like a man, but a girl. I love her, she is my best friend but I come first. I comforted her and let her walk all over me, she got use to it and started doing it all the time. I did this all in hopes of something happening, magically....boy was I stupid. College came by, I went locally the first two years and saw myself differently, there were more girls out there why was I limiting myself to one? I hooked up with three girls over the course of the summer of '04. It was amazing, one was a slut who I treated like ****, she got off on it and got on me. The other one I liked and was together with for a while and the last one was innocent and I took advantage of. Jessica of course got jealous and liked me even more now, she would get pissed when I would go out with other girls. It was hard to break out of the cycle I put myself in but I had to, for my own good, these are my young days. Then something happened that I never expected, shee and I had sex. The sex was okay, I stupidly left one of the girls I was with. My wussy side broke free, soon after I would let the thought of us having sex together command all my decisions. I fell back to where I started, I snapped out of it when she had sex one night with a guy who did not care for her and she cried on my shoulder again....this brought back too many memories. I am still friends with her, do not get me wrong, she helped me become a better person. It was a convo one night from 3 of my guy friends that finally shook me compltetly into reality, that we are all young and there are thousands of girls waiting for us out there, we just have to have balls and make something happen. If a girl is not interested in you, move on....do not try to make it work cause it will make things even worse. I am currently trying to sharpen my skills, but just wanted to let everyone know they are not alone in this journey. Guys do not become an *******, become wise with women and do not let them control you. Not all girls are evil, there is one who will restore your positive feelings on girls cause women are trully a gift to us men...the right one anway,.

PS....I have heard girls make fun of their platonics and it makes me mad....that is why I do not give me trust away so easily. I live by this qoute about girls...

"It is amazing that we should experience so much fear and doubt over such a small thing"---Lotr: The fellowship of the Ring,
 

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Sounds like cognitive dissonance to me. Most of the girls I knew at uni wanted to see themselves as being sexually sophisticated woman with complete control over their sex lives. Sounds like this girl is the same way. She doesn't want to admit that she slept with someone who got her drunk and used her because then she would have to admit that there was a time when she wasn't in control. She also doesn't want to admit that she rejected a guy who was good to her, because that would make her superficial. So she goes around telling all her friends how great the guy she decided to sleep with was, and what a loser the guy she rejected was, so that she can look like a suave sophisiticated woman of the world, even if it means screwing over the guy who was good to her and talking up the guy who "nailed and bailed" on her.

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped trying to be nice to women!
 

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I didn't really realize I was an afc cause My parents always had me involved in sports, and didn't have much of a social life, except in school, where I was a mystery to most but friendly, known to be atheletic..

I went on vacation to the philippines and since there is so many helpers, me and my cousins went clubbing every night

My cousin then invited her friend to come with us..

her
http://www.friendster.com/user.php?statpos=bc&uid=8188944

THe picture doesn't her justice but She looked like a model type of girl..
I somewhat ignored her a bit, but on the dance floor she tried to grind on me, but I ended up not grinding on her..lol

It was only one night we met and I had to go back to america a few days later..

my cousin got me into friendster, and this girl messages me... do u remember me from the club, blah blah blah..

THen I told her, you were that cute girl with my cousin... blah

She then was real excited and all happy that I thought she was cute... but then I started being needy and spilling all guts to her, and saying theres hardly any good looking girls here :rolleyes:

For the next month Every message i sent her about 2 paragraphs, she responds with like a line of sentence... after 2 months of that, I get the point and delete her off my friend list.

I don't know if your familiar with the philippines, but...THE majority of the population is friken poor... a 3rd world country... and social status such as being an american is highly desireable..

Do u know what the f9ck she does... SHE GETS F8cking married that same year to some nobody... IM like what the F8ck.

Thats when I knew There was something wrong with me.. how the hell does the poor nobody marry this model, instead of me U.S. resident, decent money, nice car, tall (6'0) THis doesn't make any F*cken SENSE!!!! this was september of 04
 

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Was there a specific incident which made you decide you wanted to stop being an AFC?
Yep.

Senior year of highschool one of my friends broke up with his girlfriend and i was actually concerned for her safety because she had a reputation of cutting herself and suicide attempts. Since i was forced to be around her a lot (buddy's gf for like 2 years afterall), i actually considered her a friend because a sexual relationship was out of the question at the time.

Let's just say over the course of a year I became her intellectual *****, thought I was in love with her as she strung me the f-uck along. Now she was f-ucking beautiful but eventually i said enough is enough and told her that I wasn't going to put up her using her sexuality to manipulate me any longer.

So in the end i got my self respect back and decided to end my AFC days and began to research how to actually pull girls and keep them interested. Makes me literally sick to my stomach of how i acted with her.

In retrospect, If i wasn't such a chump at that point in my life we definintely would've ended up as f-uck buddies. Also she probably really did care about me as a friend, but i just broke and said its time to be a f-ucking man. I feel a lot better about myself these days.
 

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One of the primary rules of the DJ bible is to never become friends with any woman you want to bang. You basically have to make a decison. Do you wanna be the guy who listens to the womans drama or do you wanna be the guy who bangs her and creates the drama. No woman is gonna let you have it both ways.
 

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I was never really a bad AFC as some of these horror stories posted in here. In High School I found out that one of the hottest girls in the school had a crush on me, but I did nothing cuz I was a coward and she hooked up with another guy instead.

I spent the first 22 years of my life as an AFC. In High School and College girls with Low IL would have me jumping through hoops like a trained chimp just to get them on a date. I tolerated unreturned phone calls, getting stood up, and cancelled dates because I didn't know any better. I would even waste months pursuing a girl while she wouldn't even give me the time of day to go out with me. I eventaully got fed up and did a google search for "dating advice" I stumbled onto DYD and Doc Love. Then I found this site and now I've done a complete 180 in my persona. Bottom line, if I'm interested in a chick and she's not NEXT! It is absolutley futile to try to change her mind.
 

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The original post was a great story and good read.
 

Well I'm here to tell you there is such a magic wand. Something that will make you almost completely irresistible to any woman you "point it" at. Something guaranteed to fill your life with love, romance, and excitement.

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You realise of couse that a lot of what happened is your fault. If you had not been such a *****, you could have scored her and it would be you that she would be talking up right now and some other AFC she would be *****ing about. Just telling you for your own good.
 

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Originally posted by Outdoors_Pete
You realise of couse that a lot of what happened is your fault. If you had not been such a *****, you could have scored her and it would be you that she would be talking up right now and some other AFC she would be *****ing about. Just telling you for your own good.
Oh, don't worry. I certainly know now not to let any opportunities pass. The weird thing is even though I now act more like the sort of guy that in my AFC days, women would constantly tell me that they didn't respect and I shouldn't try to emulate. I now get a lot more respect and a lot more interest from women then before. Just wish I knew earlier so I didn't miss out on all those opportunities ...
 

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I had actually forgotten writing this post until I ended up running into the girl I wrote about in the original post yesterday. Not sure if I handled the situation in the proper DJ manner so thoguht I would see what the board thought ...

I was at my local college campus doing research (I am doing a Masters at the moment) when I ran across the girl after two and a half years. She seemed really happy to see me, and invited me to have a coffee with her. I agreed and we talked for about an hour and a half. She told me all about her life and asked about mine. In some ways it was nice to see her as it was a reminder of what I had seen in her in the first place, and she had somehow managed to get even better looking. On the other hand, I found her friendliness a bit fake, given that she had not made any attempt to contact me in the last two and a half years. I was also a bit wary because during the conversation, she constantly recieved texts from a guy. She commented that this guy was someone whom she had met at a bar and given her number. She made constant comments about how desperate he was to pick her up, and made disparaging comments about him, which to me, made her look more like an attention wh*re then anything else ...

During the conversation, with no prompting on my part, she brought up the topic of the irish backpacker (see first post) and made a big point of telling me that she wasn't bothered by his comments about her being a sl*t as she had just wanted a casual encounter for her first time anyway and he just happened to be the guy she picked that night. It almost felt like she was seeking approval for what had happened, which was odd.

Anyway, I ended the conversation because I had some work to do, and she insisted on giving me her number and saying we should catch up sometime. For some reason, I ended up taking her to the security terminal so I could write her number down as well - I know, quite the AFC move.

So do you guys thinkI should do anything about this? My instinct is just to next her as I felt she was acting like an Attention wh*re. At the same time, I still find her pretty attractive, and it would be nice to know what I had missed out on all those years ago. Any thoughts?
 

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Well, I can remember what made me stop wanting to be, as you call it, an AFC. I was at a Summer school a couple of years ago to study classical Greek (yes, such places do exist) when I met one of the hottest girls I'd seen for quite a while. To cut a long story short, I got a form of one-itis. However, I was far too much of a nice guy. To be fair, she became quite comfortable with me and I could hold a good conversation with her (as long as I initiated it; she wasn't very forthcoming unless you prodded her into a chat), but this just wasn't good enough. At first I deluded myself, thinking things like, "I've done my bit, so why doesn't she do something?" Of course, being an intellectual sort, I soon realised the flaw in this thinking. Women of course will never do anything with out a man initiating it in some way, so clearly the fault lay with me. Over the next year I tried to change the way I approached women, so that when I met her again at the Summer school the next year I'd have some more success. Ironically, with a new mindset, I found that I wasn't particularly interested in her anymore. But on the whole it was definitely a good thing, I should say.
 

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Originally posted by Sophomakhos
Ironically, with a new mindset, I found that I wasn't particularly interested in her anymore. But on the whole it was definitely a good thing, I should say.
Yes. Cherish your (ex)one-itis for it is an opportunity to change and learn something new. The pain is there for a reason - to get your AFC ass moving!
 
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