Was it worth shutting down the economy?

[corrector]

Wealth and prosperity is built by providing a service or product that society needs. It's not owed to anyone and noone is entitled to it for just simply existing.....

A famous quote that explains how wealth is built at its most basic core: "The true value of something is how much someone is willing to pay for it."

Broken record.

 

[FairShake]

If COVID-19 was allowed to run rampant over the United States imagine the destruction on healthcare, supply lines, commerce, etc. The answer is nobody really knows what the alternative is, I can easily imagine an economic destruction model happening without the lockdowns as well.

At best I hope our lockdown, be it until April 30th or longer, is utilized as a pause in order to get our public health sh!t together. Have a real plan for our (hopefully rolling) end of lockdowns with testing capability scaled, a real plan for quarantining the sick, mask distribution, and some real evidence of a "flattening of the curve" of hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and deaths.

 

[forcerecon01]

I know lockdown sucks but so is losing a ton of people to the virus. The virus needs to be isolated and eliminated and have a vaccine.

 

[FairShake]

The virus needs to be isolated and eliminated and have a vaccine.

The vaccine is a long way off. A lockdown like we have now is needed to stabilize the situation but it's untenable for the year or likely more that it will take to have a vaccine.

 

[FairShake]

Although I'm impressed with the sheer amount and speed of data we have gotten for COVID-19 and the ability and willingness of scientists to share info. If any disease is ever the outlier for scientific discovery it might be this one

 

[Billtx49]

I know lockdown sucks but so is losing a ton of people to the virus. The virus needs to be isolated and eliminated and have a vaccine.

Saw a few headlines today with prominent medical professionals predicting a vaccine arrival time by about September …
If so, it will change previous medical disease prevention history…

 

[forcerecon01]

Saw a few headlines today with prominent medical professionals predicting a vaccine arrival time by about September …

That would be a real success then after the predictions of a year or longer for a vaccine

 

[Xenom0rph]

Mass homelessness and all the diseases and social problems associated with homelessness on the horizon........

 

[Billtx49]

Keep in mind that the companies that had to lay off, furlough, or work from home employees, will want them and their experience level back full time when this temporary disruption is over…

 

[Black Widow Void]

I usually scoff those that speak conspiracy theories.
However, our Govt. isn't stupid.
Let's see... when this became a public issue

financially speaking...
option 1: provide testing for all citizens and those in danger stay home and get compensated for work loss
or
option 2: cause chaos, throw the economy in downward spiral, create havoc and send everyone "virus checks."

Option 1 would have been less expensive and avoided all drama that has occurred with option 2.

Why did 'they' choose option 2?

Time will tell.

As I stated in an earlier posting re: with 9/11 we lost some freedoms ... for the sake of 'our best interest.'

I suspect that option 1 wouldn't not achieve a certain end result. However, option 2 will provide the Govt. a convenient way to further restrict; all for the sake of ... 'our best interest.'

 

[Xenom0rph]

Keep in mind that the companies that had to lay off, furlough, or work from home employees, will want them and their experience level back full time when this temporary disruption is over…

But that would require the level of sales/revenue return to their pre-COVID19 levels which is uncertain.....

....for example, it may take a while for restaurants to recover to the same level of business, so all those employees would have to wait longer....

 

[Billtx49]

But that would require the level of sales/revenue return to their pre-COVID19 levels which is uncertain.....

....for example, it may take a while for restaurants to recover to the same level of business, so all those employees would have to wait longer....

Quite possibly some hurdles will exist, but the federal government as well as businesses will both be focused on regainig the previous economic levels…
We’ve recovered after major wars when major industries were taken off their peace time manufacturing procedures to produce war time materials and finally added in with many unemployed servicemen, this one is Not undoable…
Review the facts of history

 

[Bible_Belt]

The vaccine is a long way off. A lockdown like we have now is needed to stabilize the situation but it's untenable for the year or likely more that it will take to have a vaccine.

The way this thing mutates, I think a drug or other treatment therapy is a lot more realistic than a vaccine. There are, I think, up to ten known strains already.

There is evidence that the virus may be as much a blood disease as a respiratory ailment. The most pointed indicator is the way that ventilators don't seem to help. 80% of intubated people die. We may be rushing to manufacture equipment that doesn't help at all.

 

[FairShake]

There is evidence that the virus may be as much a blood disease as a respiratory ailment. The most pointed indicator is the way that ventilators don't seem to help. 80% of intubated people die. We may be rushing to manufacture equipment that doesn't help at all.

I've been monitoring some of the Dr chatter about coag factors when treating COVID. One of the (few) great things about social media is the wide dissmemination of information quickly and doctors on the frontlines are sharing what they've learned without the bureaucratic hurdles usually that usually constrain new treatment opportunities. Some doctors are recommending placing patients prone rather than supine to treat ARDS rather than a ventilator!

On the other hand there is a very large cheering section for plaquenil to be used for treatment of this disease. Much like a game people tend to cheer for their side in this discussion not necessarily scientific facts. Since plaquenil can be dangerous if used with z-packs this can be troubling, treatment by politics is never a good look.

 

[thinker]

My cousin's husband Freddy died from the China virus, so yes the virus is real and people are dying from it. Having said that no it wasn't worth it. All the models have been way of on deaths and all but the first one included mitigation strategies. What will end this is herd immunity which is what usually ends these things. Researchers At Stanford university believe that is what is happening in California and I believe it is happening here in Florida and through out the U.S.. California, Texas, and Florida are 3 of the most populated states and have a low number of deaths and the hospitals are not being overrun, why I think it's because the virus was already here earlier than what the experts think and people were getting infected and recovering. Once recovered they were immune. One thing this virus has done that no one seems to be talking about is that it is damaging hospitals financially because since they have stopped doing anything that is not virus related they are loosing money. The hospitals are letting go of medical staff because they are basically empty.

 

[thinker]

@corrector time for some tough love. you can jerkk off to your socialist dreams but that will not help you. My family came to the U.S. from Cuba with literally nothing but the clothes we were wearing. Yet somehow my brothers and I have lived lives that most of the people in the world can only dream of. The reason why you are an incel that according to some of your posts can't even get escorts to bang him is because of your loser mentality. I've seen right wing retards as you would call them that have turned simple hobbies like duck call making , painting and drawing into profitable side business' that helped them buy and payoff houses and have super comfortable lives. But go ahead and keep complaining I'm sure that will help you. By the way your statement about the rich taking the money from the poor is retarded, the poor have no money that is why they are poor nvmbnuts

 

[Spaz]

My cousin's husband Freddy died from the China virus, so yes the virus is real and people are dying from it. Having said that no it wasn't worth it. All the models have been way of on deaths and all but the first one included mitigation strategies. What will end this is herd immunity which is what usually ends these things. Researchers At Stanford university believe that is what is happening in California and I believe it is happening here in Florida and through out the U.S.. California, Texas, and Florida are 3 of the most populated states and have a low number of deaths and the hospitals are not being overrun, why I think it's because the virus was already here earlier than what the experts think and people were getting infected and recovering. Once recovered they were immune. One thing this virus has done that no one seems to be talking about is that it is damaging hospitals financially because since they have stopped doing anything that is not virus related they are loosing money. The hospitals are letting go of medical staff because they are basically empty.

Always nice to see spin masters at work.

 

[Mike32ct]

Quite possibly some hurdles will exist, but the federal government as well as businesses will both be focused on regainig the previous economic levels…
We’ve recovered after major wars when major industries were taken off their peace time manufacturing procedures to produce war time materials and finally added in with many unemployed servicemen, this one is Not undoable…
Review the facts of history

I don't disagree. But we had a lot more manufacturing then. I fear our "service economy" is much less resilient.

 

[bcude]

Look at Sweden. They did not shut down their economy. Their death rate per capita is similar to the U.S.

Too many variables to compare Sweden to the US. Almost half the deaths in the US are in NY, which has a very dense population. I'm sure the death rate would be higher without the mitigating, it's just a question of how much.

Well we kind of did shut down our economy and whether that was correct is a huge topic here aswell, but not to the same extent as the rest of the world. Schools, borders, restaurants, gyms are all still open, people are allowed to do whatever they want but most choose to be careful... during the week. Over the weekend bars and restaurants are literally packed lol. Economy wise it's a disaster, but could be worse.
I'm surprised this has worked so well here and now it looks like the curve over new cases in the capital is flattening out BUT the death rate is still HUGE compared to all the countries nearby and considered a massive failure since the worst case scenario actually occured - the virus spread like wildfire into all the retirement homes, despite precautions. The experts here also say that our death rate is so high because we're better at following up on every case compared to france, italy, spain, NYC etc. where lots of people have died in their homes or on the street which will not show up in the statistics over deaths related to the virus, or labeled as "lung desease" like in Russia. Being a smaller country helps.

I agree there are too many variables to compare but looking at the strategy chosen and the actual outcome so far, less restrictions wouldn't have worked given the actual response rate. Earlier action definately could have led to less restrictions. Once it gets to a certain point you've no other option than to shut down everything just to contain a multiplicative spread.

 

[Medina]

We are very lucky to have lived so long and never experienced anything like this before

Your ancestors had their villages destroyed by new viruses all the time

This is child's play compared to what is possible and what is probably coming