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[Wyldfire]

As I said...we have a forum member who was friends with one of the first victims of this tragedy. Making jokes is not appropriate. One of our members could use our support and thoughtfulness right now. And it would be nice if everyone could learn some lessons from this....a little bit of humanity would be nice.

 

[CCKazi007]

See that's why guns are good for responsible citizens, if someone SANE had a gun that killer would have only killed 2 at most. The point of gun is to protect yourself from criminals, enemies of the nation and corrupt government. Canada has guns legal too but their crime rate involving guns are lower than the U.S. Why? Probably because they don't have so many nutjobs.

The police handleing was pathetic, at 7 a.m. the first shooting took place, two people were killed. After having an ORGANIZED MEETING with the F*CKING SCHOOL, the police and the school board decided to continueing the normal classes and didn't warn anyone who came in. THEY SHOULD HAVE CLOSED THE F*CKING SCHOOL DOWN AND FIND THE MOTHERF*CKER, BUT NO THEY DECIDED TO JUST HOPE THAT THE SHOOTER LEFT AFTER HE KILLED TWO PEOPLE. Those cops should all be fired, they failed to protect 30 innocent lives. WTF were they doin? They were ON campus from the first shooting and there was a 2-3 hour period between the first and second shooting. Once the second shooting started all of them should have ran to the asian mofo and killed him.

 

[Fred Da Head]

CCKazi007, shut the f**k up.

If people had had guns and had been around, they would've been dead too; they would've frozen up. The main reason the military uses human-looking targets at the range instead of regular targets (circles, etc) is because before they started doing that, soldiers would freeze up because they hadn't been trained to shoot at human targets. Hell, even with today's training some soldiers still freeze the first time. Combine that with the bystander syndrome, and you have the recipe for, well, not a whole lot of difference.

Now, armed guards with the training to aim effectively (2 to the body, 1 to the head) and to shoot at human targets might, MIGHT have made a difference; same with police officers.

Do you think schools and buildings should close down every time there's a murder? It was perfectly logical that they continue on and only section off the crime scene; it was, at that point, only a double murder. Generally, murderers leave the crime scene, you f**ktard.

Then again, you're probably one of those idiots who think the government should've known about 9/11 and how it was going to happen, and that prior to allied troops finding concentration camps we should've known about it, right?

 

[Skilla_Staz]

Well sorry for not making it clear. But i thought this was enough :trouble:.

Eh. Emoticons are one of those "easily misunderstood" deals.


As for "if people had guns" thing...I personally don't know what I would do. If I had a gun, and somebody shot at me, I might shoot back. No guarantees. But if you allow every student to walk around with a gun on them, think how out of hand that could be. Every little scuffle would have the possibility of ending in a shootout.

 

[ValleyDJing]

You know what it is? People aren't raising their kids right these days. Seriously. They should find this kids parents and beat the hell outta them for raising such a f.uck up.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

You know what it is? People aren't raising their kids right these days. ....

Booyah!!! :rockon:

 

[comic_relief]

Booyah!!! :rockon:

damn straight!!!

I wish that people would learn from this website. Maybe if all boys would become men, we wouldn't have problems like this.

comic_relief

 

[Wyldfire]

Maybe this tragedy will help the guys who come here learn why letting their anger and bitterness fester and getting into the habit of blaming other people for their unhappiness is a very bad and dangerous thing. If that's the only thing people learn from this horrible event on this site it would be the best thing they could learn.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...I wish that people would learn from this website. Maybe if all boys would become men, we wouldn't have problems like this.
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That's the problem, by the time many people make it to this site they have been bitter for quite a while. It's like the suggestion that junior high school students should be given mandatory anger management classes to prevent incidents like the shooting from happening. It's just like the premise of teaching sex education in school, it's a nice idea but it's too little, too late.

In today's society it's imperative for parents to actively teach and engage their children on a consistent basis. The longer they wait and put it off, the easier it is for their children to succumb to external influences.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

Even if it comes down to the parents, this isn't a utopia. There's an anomaly that will ALWAYS exist. 6,000,000,000 won't be perfect, except in some deranged twlight zone. For all those other incidents, we have personal responsibility. Parents can only do so much. They can't think for these kids, feel for these kids, earn for these kids, learn for these kids, love for these kids, or live for these kids. Kids aren't raised right b/c they're either neglected or coddled so badly they can't function when a woman won't accept them. In either case, some neglected teens turn out quite good and successful, and other's who are coddeld and given EVERY advantage in life turn out more fvcked up than any imagined. So what do you do then?

As for packing weapons...assuming people are trained, they wouldn't freeze up. We're not talking about just Buying a gun, but actually learning to be self-sufficient here. We look out at the expanse of the world, and although LIFE functions on the basic premise of "sharing" (ie plants share their o2 with us, while we give back Co2, sun shares its light, atoms share amongst each other, energy is shared) humans don't see it. They don't see we exist as one unit, on 1 planet, together. But they're neglectful.

"Oh the police would save me."
"Oh the military will protect me."
"Oh my parents have money and will cover me."
"Oh I'm upset, my gf will make me feel whole and good again."
"Oh I'm down, food, tv, or porn will make me feel high again."
"Oh I didn't save for retirement, social security will protect me."
"Oh I don't carry health insurance, the GOV will pick it up."

We're at the top of maslow's hierarchy of needs, and don't give a hoot for anything else. Food is thrown in supermarkets, but we pay no mind to how toxic it is. Drugs are made daily by fortune 500 companies, with no greater track record than a few years, and people trust them over nature remedies. We squabble over the intricacies of people and their various nuances, only because we can. We have that luxury. Until a tragic moment like this happens and it wakes people up, for a time. Just like 9-11 did.

We've subcontracted every essential element to living...finding food and preparing it, protecting and fending for ourselves, communication, connection, thought, resource management. Boil it down to nothing, make life simple and easy because that's how we believe it should be. But it isn't that way. I'd rather befriend a loner, who's 100% self sufficient, so in the off chance shyt hits the fan, we can take care of it, than befriend a "sharing-caring" friend who subcontracts his/her whole life. A person who's self sufficient is 100%. You can rely on them. A person who isn't self-sufficient, who relies on other people, isn't there. They're 50%. Their answers depend on someone or something else.

So yes, people should pack guns, and be raised to be self-sufficient. EACH person should act as if they are a separate unit of the whole, whereby our nation and society are stronger. We are WEAKER because the pieces are WEAKER, so we compensate by beefing up controls, and mechanisms, security, police, taxes, government, the military, etc. Look at the "CONSCIOUSNESS" of man. Interdependence. In a world where all the previous toils of man are now EASY, we can be MORE self-sufficient, and also MORE effective interdependently.

It would appear that specialization is hurting some, and helping other's. If you believe in "survival of the fittest", those who specialize will die, and still other's will live, because the fittest will be dependent on what's needed, so some will be 100% ok, and other's will be 0% ok. Those who have specialized for 20, 30, and 40 years are now finding they're out of work, downsized, right sized, or shipped overseas. So what's more important...generalization? Balance?

Sure, if you buy a gun off the rack, without any training and without regular trips to the gunrange, you're screwed. However, if you make learning about protection, finance, self defense, basic home medical situations, you'll have a GREAT likelihood of success in ALL situations. That's what I'm talking about her. Not giving every food a gun and treating it like a paintball match. Furthermore, in a class of 30, if everyone was allowed to pack, at LEAST one would have th guts to do something. Moreover, IF this guy knew his school packed, unfortunately he may have only gone for his xgf, and not the whole class.


A-Unit

 

[Vulpine]

As for "if people had guns" thing...I personally don't know what I would do. If I had a gun, and somebody shot at me, I might shoot back. No guarantees. But if you allow every student to walk around with a gun on them, think how out of hand that could be. Every little scuffle would have the possibility of ending in a shootout.

No.

NO!

Back up.

"Every little scuffle"... think about that for a second.


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Right. The scuffle wouldn't have happened in the first place

...because it could possibly end in a shoot out. The world would be a friendlier place.

 

[Juan_Man]

Imagine what the killer would have done if he had found this site first, where people would actually listen to him. I'm not trying to use this senseless tragedy as a way to endorse this site but to reiterate what Wyldfire said: No woman is worth losing your mind over.

 

[squirrels]

No.

NO!

Back up.

"Every little scuffle"... think about that for a second.


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Right. The scuffle wouldn't have happened in the first place

...because it could possibly end in a shoot out. The world would be a friendlier place.

Exactly. There are probably what, about 10 countries in the world now with stockpiles of nuclear weapons...yet the only time they were ever actually used in combat was Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII.

How many Americans have guns right now? Thousands? Millions? And the only one who's actually USED one in a major shooting rampage since Columbine is some Korean kid, not even a US Citizen.

Personally, I think that our safety record is EXCELLENT, given the distribution of firearms in this country.

Deterrence is the only true means of "gun control". The VT shooting is a PERFECT example of gun control laws making people LESS safe. The university prohibits CCW on VT's campus under penalty of expulsion. Law-abiding citizens were disarmed, so the criminally insane could gun them down more easily.

If criminals want guns, they will get guns. Laws will not stop them. By definition, criminals are people who don't obey the law.

Even if you banned guns and destroyed all guns in existence, you would have underground black markets with people manufacturing custom weapons at home which CANNOT BE TRACKED.

That's not even touching on the Constitutional implications. You'd think in a world where things like the PATRIOT act can pass, people would be a little more concerned about how much power the government has over them.
In America, the First Amendment guarantees the right to speak. The Second Amendment guarantees the right to be heard.


But of course, like A-Unit said, most people in this world refuse to think for themselves and instead whine for the government to save them from themselves. God forbid anyone take personal responsibility for their own rights to live in a safe yet free society.

 

[squirrels]

Imagine what the killer would have done if he had found this site first, where people would actually listen to him. I'm not trying to use this senseless tragedy as a way to endorse this site but to reiterate what Wyldfire said: No woman is worth losing your mind over.

LOL at the idea that this site could've prevented this from happening.

 

[Wyldfire]

Imagine what the killer would have done if he had found this site first, where people would actually listen to him. I'm not trying to use this senseless tragedy as a way to endorse this site but to reiterate what Wyldfire said: No woman is worth losing your mind over.

For a long time I have posted concerns about how the more bitter, angry and blaming posts on this site could influence young and impressionable boys who read here. I'm not saying that happened in this case...but a tragedy like this should, at the very least, give the members here pause...and hopefully will cause people to post more responsibly and encourage each other not to blame, to work through anger and bitterness and take responsibility for their own happiness, feelings and choices.

The latest rumor is that the shooter got into an argument with his girlfriend and the RA came to try to deal with the situation and the girlfriend and RA were killed...and that he later went to his dorm room, got another gun, wrote a disturbing letter and then went to the other location and chained the doors closed so people couldn't escape and then set out to execute as many people as he could.

Don't know how true the rumor is...but it's the latest one going around.

 

[CCKazi007]

CCKazi007, shut the f**k up.

If people had had guns and had been around, they would've been dead too; they would've frozen up. The main reason the military uses human-looking targets at the range instead of regular targets (circles, etc) is because before they started doing that, soldiers would freeze up because they hadn't been trained to shoot at human targets. Hell, even with today's training some soldiers still freeze the first time. Combine that with the bystander syndrome, and you have the recipe for, well, not a whole lot of difference.

Now, armed guards with the training to aim effectively (2 to the body, 1 to the head) and to shoot at human targets might, MIGHT have made a difference; same with police officers.

Do you think schools and buildings should close down every time there's a murder? It was perfectly logical that they continue on and only section off the crime scene; it was, at that point, only a double murder. Generally, murderers leave the crime scene, you f**ktard.

Then again, you're probably one of those idiots who think the government should've known about 9/11 and how it was going to happen, and that prior to allied troops finding concentration camps we should've known about it, right?

WTF how the hell would you know that everyone with guns other than police and military would freeze up? I know plenty of people who have guns because they like to hunt, if they were in the same situation they would actually shoot the asian mofo. Ya that's true with the military they brainwash people to think that instead of killing people they're defending themselves and their country, still there's about half who're already used to shooting targets and will another person if the situation calls for it.

I thought the whole point of COPS are to PROTECT THE PEOPLE FROM CRIMINALS, I guess not in your case that cops are just there they get paid to stand around give parking tickets to people. Hey I should be a cop get paid 50 k a year doing jack sh*t, if there's a rape going in front of me I should just leave it, since it's the b*tches fault right? They get paid to protect and warn people for potential hazards. The school board and cops are morons for not warning ANYONE after the first shooting, they didn't know where the f*ck the shooter from the first crime scene was, they should have AT LEAST warned people. But, no just like you they're morons and GUESSED that they KILLER left campus cuz he killed TWO PEOPLE well guess what F*CK? He KILLED ANOTHER 30 PEOPLE, which could have been PREVENTED if people were off campus NOT IN CLASS. It would have been much easier for the cops to find the douche. See that's where you lack common sense JUST BECAUSE THE USUAL CRIMINAL DOES LEAVE THE F*CKING SCENE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S SAFE. The school is suppose to provide a safe enviroment for the students to study but they didn't cuz their idiots, now they'll get sued and their admission rate will drop next year! :rockon:

It's also funny to me that just because I criticized how they treated the situation that you assumed "I'm one of those kids." Well your totally right I think 9/11 should have been prevented by CIA or FBI since THAT'S THEIR F*CKING JOB... NATIONAL SECURITY, BUT I GUESS THEY COULDN'T CUZ THAT'S NOT WHAT USUAL TERRORSITS DO... WELL I GUESS WE'RE F*CKED IF TERRORISTS ATTACKS US WITH UNCONVENTIONAL WAYS SINCE EVERYONE CAN'T DO THEIR JOBS AND HAVE NO COMMON SENSE.

 

[Wyldfire]

LOL at the idea that this site could've prevented this from happening.

I agree...this site would never have prevented a jealous, angry and bitter guy from doing this. If anything, it would have just made him even more angry.

 

[squirrels]

I agree...this site would never have prevented a jealous, angry and bitter guy from doing this. If anything, it would have just made him even more angry.

LOL...it would have had them going Keanu on the "Feminatrix".

 

[Juan_Man]

I think that the killer needed someone who would listen to him. No one listens to anyone these days.

 

[CCKazi007]

I think that the killer needed someone who would listen to him. No one listens to anyone these days.

You sound like a chick, you have to vent verbally/socially to have all your emotional problems go away. Guys can actually DO STUFF like SPORTS to get their aggrestion out. It could've been true like in fight club "When someone is really dieing they really listen to ya, instead of waiting for their turn to speak."