unwilling tattoo?

[doctoroxygen]

Is mandatory castration, lobotomization and a tattoo on their hand worse than having to register as a sex offender and having your name and face plastered all over the internet, flyers and community?

Yes, it is. There's a matter of degree here. Sex offender registration is orders of magnitude from mandatory castration/lobotomization/tattooing. Castration and lobotomization are INEFFECTIVE "cures" for paedophilia. They're brutal and, since they don't have any curative effects (as you said, paedophilia "can't be cured"), they would be gratuitous revenge, and that's not something I would support or even tolerate from my government.

Also, I didn't mean to offend you, so if I did, could you point out what it was that I said that was insulting to you?

 

[wayword]

The only qualm I have with stigmatizing ALL sex offenders is that there is no legal distinction made between a 50-yo raping a 9-yo vs a 19-yo having consensual sex with 16-yo jailbait. In the eyes of the law, they are simply both "sex offenders." To me though, the former is faaaarrrr worse than the latter, and what we all typically think of as a "pedophile." The latter is actually totally socially-acceptable and commonplace now, just not by current laws yet.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Prisons are full. Half of the people in them in the US are non-violent offenders, almost all of them arrested on drug charges.

 

[Wyldfire]

The only qualm I have with stigmatizing ALL sex offenders is that there is no legal distinction made between a 50-yo raping a 9-yo vs a 19-yo having consensual sex with 16-yo jailbait. In the eyes of the law, they are simply both "sex offenders." To me though, the former is faaaarrrr worse than the latter, and what we all typically think of as a "pedophile." The latter is actually totally socially-acceptable and commonplace now, just not by current laws yet.

There most definitely is a very distinct difference between a little kid and a teenager. A teenager LOOKS like an adult. A little kid doesn't. A pedophile is sexually attracted to a child that has not hit puberty yet and are not attracted to adults.

I don't think most cases of teenager/adult statutory rape warrants jail/prison or having to register as a sex offender as long as it was consensual. I'm not talking about that kind of case at all. Teenagers often lie about their age and the situation is just very different. I'm grossed out by much older adults who purposely go looking for teenagers, because I feel that IS predatory...but if someone just happens to meet a teenager and they didn't know the age, that's different.

 

[Wyldfire]

Yes, it is. There's a matter of degree here. Sex offender registration is orders of magnitude from mandatory castration/lobotomization/tattooing. Castration and lobotomization are INEFFECTIVE "cures" for paedophilia. They're brutal and, since they don't have any curative effects (as you said, paedophilia "can't be cured"), they would be gratuitous revenge, and that's not something I would support or even tolerate from my government.

Also, I didn't mean to offend you, so if I did, could you point out what it was that I said that was insulting to you?

No, you didn't offend me...I'm just sick of someone else giving me hell for supposedly offending you when what you said would be considered more offensive to anyone easily offended.

Actually, lobotomizing a pedophile has a chance of improving their cravings, urges and thinking. It can also make them less likely to act out in a socially unacceptable way. When we hear lobotomy we imagine the old ice pick cutting out a chunk of the frontal lobe. Modern Science has improved things over the years. You don't have to remove part of the brain. A brain surgeon only has to "disconnect" very specific "nerve wiring" in the frontal lobe. A lobotomy might actually provide pedophiles some relief from their illness...and no, not the ice pick surgery...

 

[Wyldfire]

Prisons are full. Half of the people in them in the US are non-violent offenders, almost all of them arrested on drug charges.

Bingo...the Government needs to start opening federally funded public drug rehab facilities instead of building new prisons. Get the prisoners addicted to substances whose crimes are drug/alcohol related out of the prisons and put them in rehab and lock up the freaking sex offenders.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Or we could just legalize it all. In 2004, Russia legalized small quantities of street drugs, even hard ones. Society does not come to a crashing halt like some people fear.

(btw, welcome back, Wyldfire)

 

[Wyldfire]

Or we could just legalize it all. In 2004, Russia legalized small quantities of street drugs, even hard ones. Society does not come to a crashing halt like some people fear.

(btw, welcome back, Wyldfire)

You can't legalize all drugs. That would be sanctioning their use and there are some drugs that are just too devastating and dangerous to even consider legalizing. Crystal Meth and Heroin for example. Yes, the people who really want to use them will find them regardless...but for everyone who does find them there are 100 more people who won't see the stuff on a shelf in some store and say "Oooh, I wonder what this does?".

Drugs are a very sore subject for me. My best friend just died last month from an overdose of opiates. When I met him over 6 years ago he was in law school...a brilliant man. A couple of years ago he got addicted to Oxycontin and that led to heroin addiction. He started using needles. He despised needles but he got so damn sick from withdrawl that he used them. He got into a methadone program and recently detoxed off that and went into rehab. He had gotten off about everything before going into rehab. He called me every day...I was his emotional support and he needed to be able to talk to me. The idiots at the rehab took away his cell phone and wouldn't allow him to call me. He lasted a week and walked out and went on a pissed off bender. Because his body wasn't used to the amounts he had been doing before detoxing he overdosed and didn't make it.

You can't legalize something that destroys a person's life like that.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

I definitely think they should be tattood as well. Not only to remind them of what they did everyday, but for the protection of society. Wouldn't you want to know if you're being followed by a rapist/murderer?

Did you follow the Duke univeristy scandal?

In the eyes of the law ALL the dudes are rapists. ESPECIALLY the one who wasn't even there to "rape" the lying attention ***** that night.


We should tatoo EVERYONE that messes around with children. Killing them, raping them, porn... EVERY one of those sick bastards.

Its people like that who ruin the children so they grow up to be disfuntional wackos who in turn do the same crap to others.

 

[doctoroxygen]

Re: lobotomies, there are only something like 12 psychosurgeons in the United States, so the practicality of that treatment avenue is kind of small. Neurosurgeons don't usually do psychosurgery, and the practice is kind of looked down upon by psychologists and psychiatrists alike.

 

[Wyldfire]

Re: lobotomies, there are only something like 12 psychosurgeons in the United States, so the practicality of that treatment avenue is kind of small. Neurosurgeons don't usually do psychosurgery, and the practice is kind of looked down upon by psychologists and psychiatrists alike.

Actually, there is surgery available now that can target specific areas of the brain and remove minute pieces of tissue. It's called Stereotactic Neurosurgery and they use it with Parkinson's patients, Epileptic patients who have severe seizures as well as to remove tumors. They do the exact same procedures on patients every day to ease symptoms of Parkinson's and Epilepsy. If the surgery can be used to remove the sexual urges and deviant behavior of pedophiles and potentially allow them some relief while also protecting the children why shouldn't it be utilized?

 

[doctoroxygen]

That's true. Those brain surgeries are relatively common and are very successful in treating thos conditions. A lobotomy is different though. By definition, it's a removal of all, or at least a major part, of the frontal lobe, and is something not many doctors would be into. Medicine doesn't fully understand what parts of that lobe do what things in a person's personality, which is a major reason why major lobectomies aren't really performed anymore.

 

[seanchai]

I wouldn't have a problem with lobotomies if the person opted for it, but it's not something the government should be allowed to force on them, for all the reasons people have listed above.

 

[cant think of a user name]

Bingo...the Government needs to start opening federally funded public drug rehab facilities instead of building new prisons. Get the prisoners addicted to substances whose crimes are drug/alcohol related out of the prisons and put them in rehab and lock up the freaking sex offenders.

There is the opinion that the government is too concerned about the "war on drugs", costs of setting up rehab facilities, fear of looking like they are "soft on drugs/crime" if they do not lock the druggies/dealers up... etc. etc. but....

The judicial system doesn't even put most pedophiles behind bars...they just trust them to report while more and more children get molested and hurt. I say BS...lock them up and throw away the key.

...why isnt the gov't afraid of looking like they are "soft on pedophiles"?

Is there a reason why the criminal justice system is... like that?

 

[Wyldfire]

That's true. Those brain surgeries are relatively common and are very successful in treating thos conditions. A lobotomy is different though. By definition, it's a removal of all, or at least a major part, of the frontal lobe, and is something not many doctors would be into. Medicine doesn't fully understand what parts of that lobe do what things in a person's personality, which is a major reason why major lobectomies aren't really performed anymore.

No, modern day lobotomies don't have to involve removing actual brain tissue. They use alcohol to "kill" the signals in the target area of the brain.

 

[Wyldfire]

There is the opinion that the government is too concerned about the "war on drugs", costs of setting up rehab facilities, fear of looking like they are "soft on drugs/crime" if they do not lock the druggies/dealers up... etc. etc. but....


...why isnt the gov't afraid of looking like they are "soft on pedophiles"?

Is there a reason why the criminal justice system is... like that?

They should lock up the dealers who aren't dealing to supply their own addictionns...but addicits should be treated. Addicts can be rehabilitated, sex offenders can't be. Well, they possibly could be if they had surgery to shut off the part of their brain that makes them desire children in a sexual way. There have been people who got brain tumors who all of a sudden began to molest children when they never did in the past. When the tumor was removed they went back to being normal. That is a very good indicator that pedophiles could be potentially cured of their sexual deviancy with brain surgery.

 

[penkitten]

everyone has made some very valueable points in this thread concerning pedophiles and whether or not they should be tattoed.
any one else have any more concerns on this issue?

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

By definition, it's a removal of all, or at least a major part, of the frontal lobe,

I heard you don't even need to do that. You just have to snip the lobe's connection with the rest of the brain. It can be done as a very quick and simple procedure.

 

[Wyldfire]

I heard you don't even need to do that. You just have to snip the lobe's connection with the rest of the brain. It can be done as a very quick and simple procedure.

The actual procedure isn't that difficult today...but they still have to open the skull. Eventually they will probably be able to use lasers to do it, but I don't believe they're at that point yet.

 

[wayword]

I don't think most cases of teenager/adult statutory rape warrants jail/prison or having to register as a sex offender as long as it was consensual. I'm not talking about that kind of case at all. Teenagers often lie about their age and the situation is just very different. I'm grossed out by much older adults who purposely go looking for teenagers, because I feel that IS predatory...but if someone just happens to meet a teenager and they didn't know the age, that's different.

My point is LEGALLY, from pedophiles to statuatory "rapists," they are simply all labelled "sex offenders" with no distinction made (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

I believe that's why there are so many registered sex offenders - the majority are simply 20-30-something dudes who had sex with teenage minors - but not "pedophiles."

Again, someone correct me on the wrong, as I don't know the actual stats...