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United 93.

I watched that movie the other day. Good movie.
But that’s not the point of my thread. The DVD has a lot of interviews with the family of the survivors.

This is what I will write about. It relates to two of the victims wife/husband. It also relates how women view a woman behavior acceptable while finding the same behavior distasteful when coming from a man.

This woman (which husband died in the plane crash) was talking in the interview. She knew her husband since the 9th grade. They show her little girl (interview took place prior to the filming and the daughter was then about 4 years old). The little girl was only 3 months old when her dad died in 2001.

The thing that I found kind of distasteful is NOT that she re-married, but that she remarried her deceased husband’s friend (and the timing). Add that to the fact that they showed the little girl referring to his deceased dad “as Jeremy”. She was talking to the camera looking at a photograph of her dad and her and she was saying, “This is Jeremy with me”. I wonder why she doesn’t refer to him as “dad”. Once again, the perceptions.

So, I said to my girlfriend that this in the eyes of many could be perceived as distasteful. She strongly disagreed (I have noticed she tends to justify what women do).

Well, later on they showed another interview. There is also this man that was interviewed that remarried his deceased wife friend!!! His wife also died in the UNITED 93 crash.

My girlfriend found that very distasteful (I was consistent with my views, she obviously exhibited double standards). She said that the difference is that the “new wife” didn’t say anything in the interview, while the “new husband” said something. Pathetic "woman logic" if you ask me.

Now, once again…it is not the fact that they remarried. I mean, people have to move on with their lives! It is more of WHO they remarried. And WHO were their deceased spouses (celebrities and heroes!). And not teaching the child to refer to her deceased dad as "dad". Lack of judgement, if you ask me.

Billions of men and woman out there and they have to choose their deceased spouses best friends? I cannot help but think what where (or have been) the intentions of those "friends". Were they always interested in those people and sought the opportunity now? Or during the grieving period they simply felt in love? You see what I mean with the perception?

Distasteful. Or at best, the IMPRESSION of being distasteful.

But the most important thing is women double-standards when it comes to view what men do as distasteful, but if the woman does the same it is justified.

This is just a rant and an observation.
 

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My girlfriend found that very distasteful (I was consistent with my views, she obviously exhibited double standards). She said that the difference is that
it was a man remarrying and thus he should not be allowed the same privileges as a woman. :rolleyes: What a crock of shyt. Women really PISS ME OFF, all the time now...with their complete lack of logic.

I mean, seriously, you would NEVER hear a man making this typed of retarded statement.
 

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United 93.
Good that you start your own threads.

A few months ago I had a client unhappy with it's product. Too make the long story short: product was bought, product didn't work, client wanted money back, client's e-mails were full of arrogance & threatenings, the e-mail we sent were not read, there was one way communication...

I decided to call the client pro-activily as I knew that the product couldn't be broke, worst case the guarantee would cover it.

I had a woman on the phone (the stupidity of the case immediately became clear to me). She bought the product for her 9y old son.

Appearently she was divorced. She didn't contact us for the guarentee but decided to fix the product herself (by solding lol! stupid woman). And who would take care of fixing the product? Her (AFC) ex-husband of course.

How do I know that she was divorced? At one point in the conversation she says: "I bought this for my 9y old son, the son's daddy is trying to fix it at this moment."

The son's daddy? You mean your ex-husband.

Disrespectful, and it's no wonder that she is divorced.

Probably just here feeling ashamed.



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Don't need to tell you that your gf justifying women's behaviour is a red flag.

The big picture could be that the deceased man/women "friend" (you call this a friend?) probably already had a relationship with those persons before.

Deceased partner = easy way out.

Ah, today's society...
 

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Alright, I rarely post this story on the forum for personal reasons, but as some of you know my brother-in-law committed suicide by hanging himself back in 2003. His wife of 20 years (my wife's sister) was in the process of separating and divorcing him at the time which we thought was odd because she had previously been so accommodating of the guy for all the time I knew him at least. His life was really a recipe for suicide; they married at 19 due to a pregnancy, but they held it together and had 2 kids, this guy was nno angel, but he busted his ass for his family everyday inspite of never being able to attend college. He provided fairly well for his family and was finishing building (by himself) a home and puting his son through college when he killed himself. All of the women on my wife's side of the family are gorgeous and her sister even at 40 was exceptional.

Long story short, it turns out that she had been seeing (not cheating with) a very wealthy man (like millionaire) who had been a long time family friend for a few months during their separation. This is as she tells the story, but the real fact is that the opportunity to get together with this guy is what motivated her separation. My brother-in-law hangs himself (because he was a termnal AFC and couldn't live without her) and the night after the suicide she's meets up with the millionaire. They married 8 months after they buried him.

Needless to say this is a point of contention on my wife's side of the family, but my point relating to this thread is that if you reversed the genders and it was the man who married a swimsuit model 8 months after his wife's suicide - a woman who'd worked like hell her whole life to provide for her family - he'd be suspected of murder. Put a woman in that role and "she's just moving on with her life." This is exactly why I rail against the soulmate myth and ONEitis, because this is what she calls her millionaire husband now.
 

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Don't need to tell you that your gf justifying women's behaviour is a red flag.

The big picture could be that the deceased man/women "friend" (you call this a friend?) probably already had a relationship with those persons before.

Deceased partner = easy way out.

Ah, today's society...
It is a red flag.

In the past, when I have said something relatively negative toward a particular woman's behavior (although, I have said the same toward men as it relates to that behavior) and that woman happens to be somebody she knows; her response is, "You said that because she is a woman. If she was a man, you would have not said that". [Note: I try not to talk about other people's in a negative way, but if somebody ask me for an opinion about certain person's behavior, I will give that opinion].

One thing I have learned long time ago is that "feminism" sometimes become a chip on the shoulder issue and unbearable to deal with.

And the other point you made...yes, I agree with you. I stongly believe some kind of attraction was going on. Or that's my perception. No friend material...that's for sure.
 

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Needless to say this is a point of contention on my wife's side of the family, but my point relating to this thread is that if you reversed the genders and it was the man who married a swimsuit model 8 months after his wife's suicide - a woman who'd worked like hell her whole life to provide for her family - he'd be suspected of murder. Put a woman in that role and "she's just moving on with her life." This is exactly why I rail against the soulmate myth and ONEitis, because this is what she calls her millionaire husband now.
EXCELLENT POINT!

Irregardless of the morality of this situation...You are 100% right when you say that in today's society we are measure by different standards.

"women cheat because men are not taking care of them" while "men cheat because they are insecure or pigs" philosophy.

By the way, I'm sorry about the situation you described as it related to your family.
 

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"women cheat because men are not taking care of them" while "men cheat because they are insecure or pigs" philosophy.
HAHA! SOOO TRUE! Women can do no wrong anymore! And men can do no right!

If a woman cheats - the man wasn't satisfying her and making her happy. The WOMAN is thus the victim here. BOO-F'N-HOO! :cry:
If a man cheats - HE'S the a-hole who just couldn't keep it in his pants. And since him cheating "obviously" had nothing to do with her not keeping him happy - the woman is still the victim here.
 

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... so, dont make real-life friends with good lookin' DJ dudes then bring them around your wife all the time. Got it! Thanks.

Azanon
 

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... so, dont make real-life friends with good lookin' DJ dudes then bring them around your wife all the time. Got it! Thanks.

Azanon
Actually...you should make friends with DJs.

You see? What makes a DJ a unique and special breed is that a DJ would never even consider doing something like that. You see? A DJ has options...and that option is NOT the woman of his deceased friend (how desperate can that be???).

And trust me...marrying you deceased friend wife and raising HIS child is NOT a DJ move either.

Looks has nothing to do with been a DJ. A woman will be with a DJ and find him "beatiful" even if he is as overweight as Tony Soprano or as ugly as Sammuel L Jackson or as old as Clint Eastwood or Sean Connery.
 

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More evidence of the double-standard and -- I know, overused term -- the matrix.

Soooooooo tired of U.S. feminized society.

Great post Latinoman, spot on.
 

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WestCoaster said:
More evidence of the double-standard and -- I know, overused term -- the matrix.

Soooooooo tired of U.S. feminized society.

Great post Latinoman, spot on.
Thanks!
 

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Here's what we probably won't see in any related documentary a few years from now:

The follow up story where she divorces the new husband because he was probably AFC, stuck in the soulmate/rescuer/saviour schema and she grows sick of his potential beta-ness.

I guess what I initially wondered about in this story (and probably not divulged in the documentary) was how long did she take to grieve and handle her husband's death (for her and her kids). And, was the new husband available or did another relationship get trashed in forming this one.

I know, I know probably not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Then again, sometimes these "happy ending" stories have a lot of sh!t right behind the curtains that nobody dares to pull back and see.
 

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And trust me...marrying you deceased friend wife and raising HIS child is NOT a DJ move either.
I briefly dated a MILF who got widowed early with 2 kids...

Man, she said as soon as his body was cold, all his friends and guys she knew tried to get in her pants! Even she was shocked. Absolutely pathetic...but reality is, THIS IS GENERATION AFC! Every guy out there is an AFC by default, unless he had strong male guidance or just woke himself up.
 

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Here's what we probably won't see in any related documentary a few years from now:

The follow up story where she divorces the new husband because he was probably AFC, stuck in the soulmate/rescuer/saviour schema and she grows sick of his potential beta-ness.

I guess what I initially wondered about in this story (and probably not divulged in the documentary) was how long did she take to grieve and handle her husband's death (for her and her kids). And, was the new husband available or did another relationship get trashed in forming this one.

I know, I know probably not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Then again, sometimes these "happy ending" stories have a lot of sh!t right behind the curtains that nobody dares to pull back and see.
EXACTLY!

The same goes with the other couple too.
 

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One thing I have learned long time ago is that "feminism" sometimes become a chip on the shoulder issue and unbearable to deal with.
It is possible to deal with, and I'm sure you can. It's even possible to "reprogram" hardcore feminists. I know because I did with my ex-gf.

The only problem is: if you have options, why losing your time "reprogramming" a woman...

Good post Latinoman.
 

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I briefly dated a MILF who got widowed early with 2 kids...

Man, she said as soon as his body was cold, all his friends and guys she knew tried to get in her pants! Even she was shocked. Absolutely pathetic...but reality is, THIS IS GENERATION AFC! Every guy out there is an AFC by default, unless he had strong male guidance or just woke himself up.
Exactly, AFC generation.

This is typical AFC behaviour: no cold approach is needed, as they already know the woman. After having been LJBF, they wait until they get a second chance.
The guy leaves, the guys dies, whatever: AFC "friend" takes his chance with this woman & charge on.

In their mind it's easier to get the woman, because they already know her through his friend. Lack of options...


Take any guy, check the women he has dated, check how he handles his women now & in the past: and you can make a perfect profile of who he really is.


There are lots of guys who will do whatever they can to get a woman. I had guys who called themselves "My friend" jumping on my women in front of me, long time friends who stopped their hobbies for a woman, one very close friend I knew for more than 5 years who believed anything that woman, he knew only 4 weeks, said above what I was telling him,...

All of those I got rid of them. Any guy that chooses a women over you is not a trustable friend. Life is full of tests: you pass or you fail.

My current best friend, know him for 10years, we talk about anything, we think the same. Never would I date his ex-gfs, I know him very well enough to know that he wouldn't date my ex-gfs.

As Latinoman says: a true DJ won't pick up your ex, he has options.
 

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Picking up women on their double-standards should be fun. Most of the time the motivation is less about equality and fairness and more about sticking up for their 'team.'

And everyone knows United Flight 93 was in fact a hologram and the real passengers are now living under assumed names in Bora Bora.
 

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It is possible to deal with, and I'm sure you can. It's even possible to "reprogram" hardcore feminists. I know because I did with my ex-gf.

The only problem is: if you have options, why losing your time "reprogramming" a woman...

Good post Latinoman.

I would only try and reprogram a woman that is in her early to mid 20s.

If she is in her 30s and 40s...that would be a waste of time and the best we can do is show them our boundaries and deal breakers. And of course, apply the DJ stuff.
 

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Heh,..I'm beginning to sound like a broken record, but,..

The term Double-Standard is also a feminine social contrivance, only in this case they own the term. How often do you hear a man complain of a double-standard? Rarely if ever, because we've (both men & women) been condition to associate this term with the feminine, so that a man complaining of a double-standard that applies to him calls into question his masculinity. See how effective controling the terminology is?

The truth is that for every double-standard a woman complains of there is an equal double-standard for a man - the difference being he is ostracized for his complaint while she is sympathized with for hers. Generally all that's required to identify a double-standard is to reverse the gender in a given situation, as I did with my story.
 

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