UNDERemployed Male Millennials UnDate-able?

[Tenacity]

And, other news...water is wet. It's called paying a premium. Comes out of your paycheck.

I was just using Cancer as an example. Okay, you get in a serious accident and you have to be airlifted in, surgery is costly.

I was just saying, if you get in a serious accident or somewhere where you need surgery, expect your bank account to take a major it when it comes to your hospital stay/bill..

But sir I'm not sure the applicability of this example? If you have FULL health insurance (and pay your premiums) you pay your deductible and the health insurance kicks in to cover the costs of said accident.

Those without health insurance are the ones who are stuck with these high a.ss bills, which usually leads to them having to file bankruptcy.

Women do like to date up, based on their definition of what 'dating up' is. What a woman classes as 'dating up' isn't always financial..

I 100% agree, which is why we as men need to stop trying to please every woman. Sometimes "getting rejected" is good. Some of these women are bat shyt crazy and reject you for things that you are actually doing RIGHT.

- I know women who "date up" by literally picking bums and losers over established men, because she wants to control the relationship. So if you get "rejected" by said woman, that's actually a GOOD thing.

- I know women who are looking for some Russell Wilson dude, to come in and provide for her as well as her 3 kids from 3 thugs, who are locked up in 3 prisons. So if you aren't said guy, she will "reject you", which is actually a GOOD thing.

- I know women who are deliberately looking to date criminals, which of course, would have your a.ss in and out of jail without any real employment prospects due to your record. So getting "rejected" by this jack a.ss of a woman is actually a GOOD thing.

There has always been this assumption by men today and the Manosphere, that if a woman rejects you it means you did something WRONG. Or as Guru would say, it means you weren't the quote, unquote "cool dude" (whatever the hell that means) or as Legend (who has been mysteriously banned) would say, it means you didn't wear Armani Suits.

What they don't take into account is that SOME women are fvcking crazy, with STUPID criteria, that trying to fit into said criteria would literally make you bat shyt crazy like they are. At least 70% of the time, if you are a decently attractive guy and a girl "rejects you", the problem is HER not YOU. So always focus on the numbers game, approach 20 women, get 12 numbers, date 6 of them, fvck 3 of them. Why did only 12 out of 20 give you a number? Why did only 6 out of 12 go on a date? Why did only 3 out of 6 fvck you? WHO CARES! It's more likely the bytch was crazy!

 

[bigneil]

Dude, WTF are you talking about?! You may want to stock up on your tinfoil hats. Have a big supply of mattresses to stuff you cash into? LOL

Anyway, this conversation has steered towards the absurd "prepare of the apocalypse" topic. I'm out of here.

Wait, fearing cancer is so important it's worth sacrificing a $30,000 a month contract because medical insurance is so important? But fearing a power out or bank run or hyperinflation are "tin foil hat"??

Have you looked at the odds of each one happening?

So it's better to have insurance and not need it, than need insurance and not have it, but that doesn't apply to cash or food?? You know food is real and insurance is fiat, correct? If everyone needed insurance at once, the insurance company would go bankrupt. Same as if everyone took their money out of the bank.

We don't need to store that much cash, but I am prepared to defend what I have with guns, understand? But go back to your electronic based life and hope the Fed keeps printing money, the police keep visiting when you dial 911, China keeps buying dollars and UPS keeps delivering groceries (it takes 3 days for shelves to clear - see Venuzuela).

 

[bigneil]

Health insurance is a racket. They mark up the cost of "medicines" by 1 MILLION percent and outlaw generics! Surgery they used to do free at the church hospital in the 1960's costs $200,000 now, and different hospitals charge secretly different prices. Doctors are forced to pay huge amounts for malpractice insurance. And surgeries and medicines and unnecessary half the time are toxic on top of that! And Obamacare forces us to pay those obscene profits - it's called gunpoint medicine. Also, health insurance HAS A COST - it's around $1000 a month. NOT $30,000 a month. ThisNThat tried to say you're better off making $3,000 a month and having health insurance than making $30,000 a month with no insurance. No, you just make $29,000 a month and pay $1,000 a month for your own insurance.

 

[Urbanyst]

There has always been this assumption by men today and the Manosphere, that if a woman rejects you it means you did something WRONG. Or as Guru would say, it means you weren't the quote, unquote "cool dude" (whatever the hell that means) or as Legend (who has been mysteriously banned) would say, it means you didn't wear Armani Suits.

What they don't take into account is that SOME women are fvcking crazy, with STUPID criteria, that trying to fit into said criteria would literally make you bat shyt crazy like they are. At least 70% of the time, if you are a decently attractive guy and a girl "rejects you", the problem is HER not YOU. So always focus on the numbers game, approach 20 women, get 12 numbers, date 6 of them, fvck 3 of them. Why did only 12 out of 20 give you a number? Why did only 6 out of 12 go on a date? Why did only 3 out of 6 fvck you? WHO CARES! It's more likely the bytch was crazy!

I don't know why this post doesn't have 100 likes. This is very solid stuff.

Desperate men are always structuring their lives around what women want and believing women's standards are the Bible. That's why we have so many white knights and other kiss asses today.

What guys should do is try to be as successful in LIFE as possible. Not only for the increased sexual options, but also because its just plain good for you. Why grind when you can thrive? THRIVE. Otherwise what are you living for?

Sorry to keep saying this, but the modern economy of today runs on MONEY and only money. Religion, family values, and culture is all out the window today. That sh*t is done. Its only used now by politicians to manipulate idiots who don't know better and get votes. Its all about money now. This is a global economy now. That won't change either. For those who don't believe me.. you will learn in the next 10-20 years that I'm right and you will remember me for it.

Guys.. go out and try to be as successful as you can. Don't waste valuable time trying to impress every vapid woman you meet. Instead, position yourself high and pick from the women who already see value in you. That's my 2 cents.

 

[ThisNThat]

I don't know why this post doesn't have 100 likes. This is very solid stuff.

Desperate men are always structuring their lives around what women want and believing women's standards are the Bible. That's why we have so many white knights and other kiss asses today.

What guys should do is try to be as successful in LIFE as possible. Not only for the increased sexual options, but also because its just plain good for you. Why grind when you can thrive? THRIVE. Otherwise what are you living for?

Sorry to keep saying this, but the modern economy of today runs on MONEY and only money. Religion, family values, and culture is all out the window today. That sh*t is done. Its only used now by politicians to manipulate idiots who don't know better and get votes. Its all about money now. This is a global economy now. That won't change either. For those who don't believe me.. you will learn in the next 10-20 years that I'm right and you will remember me for it.

Guys.. go out and try to be as successful as you can. Don't waste valuable time trying to impress every vapid woman you meet. Instead, position yourself high and pick from the women who already see value in you. That's my 2 cents.

I was just kind of curious when you speak of religion. There have been some local singles ministries that does gatherings...so you could say as long as you're like-minded in your compatibility in religious beliefs, could it work?

 

[Urbanyst]

I was just kind of curious when you speak of religion. There have been some local singles ministries that does gatherings...so you could say as long as you're like-minded in your compatibility in religious beliefs, could it work?

Being like-minded is very important for compatibility. But not so important that it trumps high value.

I like to say in order to know how important a factor really is to a woman.. ask yourself if that factor would matter if you were homeless living on the street with rats. If the answer is NO.. then it means that factor is not as important as you think it is. This is also how I came to the conclusion that money is in the top two when it comes to important factors in life and in dating.

 

[ThisNThat]

Being like-minded is very important for compatibility. But not so important that it trumps high value.

I like to say in order to know how important a factor really is to a woman.. ask yourself if that factor would matter if you were homeless living on the street with rats. If the answer is NO.. then it means that factor is not as important as you think it is. This is also how I came to the conclusion that money is in the top two when it comes to important factors in life and in dating.

Does it matter the income or...if you manage your money well enough, live frugally the first 20 to 30 years of your life (Don't spend like people often do these days, don't gotta have the next iPhone 8 right NOW, etc.) That they are not an impulse buyer, but some people have managed to do well by not being a big spender. Not buying things with all the bells and whistles. You'd be suprise how people are unaware that their spending habits, even with a sizable salary, is doing them in.

I hear stories of how old school rock stars pissed all their money away...and I was like "Man, what a cryin' shame, if I were THAT guy, I'd not spend it on booze and crap."

 

[JohnChops]

Forget women, if you are in your occupation to obtain women, and nothing else, might as well just chop that sack off and give every girl you see your ballsvon a silver platter. Work and do what YOU want, what makes YOU happy. This is about you, not her. You don't need to please anyone but yourself.

 

[JohnChops]

Being like-minded is very important for compatibility. But not so important that it trumps high value.

Yes! I used to think that you had to be similar to the girl you wanted , and yet in practice this is far from the truth. Being like minded doesn't equal liking the same things (hobbies, food, interests etc).

You can be polar opposites but if you are a high value man, in her eyes, that will trump everythin, 100% agree with @Urbanyst . This also goes along with desdinovas high school theory.

 

[Urbanyst]

Forget women, if you are in your occupation to obtain women, and nothing else, might as well just chop that sack off and give every girl you see your ballsvon a silver platter. Work and do what YOU want, what makes YOU happy. This is about you, not her. You don't need to please anyone but yourself.

So true.

But this needs to be approached with a big picture perspective. Don't go for the instant gratification.

Ask yourself what you need to thrive long term. Then focus on that. A thriving man will always get laid. But he cares much more about thriving. That's the high value perspective. Ambition is sexy. Very sexy.

The low value perspective is to go for instant gratification and to grind it out every day for crumbs. Low standards is not very sexy. Being happy with little and easily satisfied is not sexy either.

Sh*t testing is really standards testing. Does this guy have standards or will he accept anything? Low standards indicates low value. Not sexy.

 

[guru1000]

There has always been this assumption by men today and the Manosphere, that if a woman rejects you it means you did something WRONG. Or as Guru would say, it means you weren't the quote, unquote "cool dude" (whatever the hell that means) or as Legend (who has been mysteriously banned) would say, it means you didn't wear Armani Suits.

What they don't take into account is that SOME women are fvcking crazy, with STUPID criteria, that trying to fit into said criteria would literally make you bat shyt crazy like they are. At least 70% of the time, if you are a decently attractive guy and a girl "rejects you", the problem is HER not YOU. So always focus on the numbers game, approach 20 women, get 12 numbers, date 6 of them, fvck 3 of them. Why did only 12 out of 20 give you a number? Why did only 6 out of 12 go on a date? Why did only 3 out of 6 fvck you? WHO CARES! It's more likely the bytch was crazy!

Nope. What Guru did say was out of 200+ women you dated, at least 2, 3,4, 5, or 10 would have been "quality" contenders. When you have ZERO contenders out of 200 or a 0% ratio of qualified contenders, the onus falls squarely on YOU.

What's wrong with you, you ask? You're a social abrogation.

 

[MrOctober]

I guess I'm "underemployed".

Yet... I live on my own, nice lil setup. Have a nice clean car. I dress better. If you make six figures but you wear open toe sandals I've already won.

Anyway the truth is. Do I think id create more opportunities with more money? No question.

I have a friend who is a part time landscaper with a hot little blonde girlfriend who loves him.

I have another friend who still lives with his mother in his 30s and is a real true Don Juan. Like you have no clue the amount of HOT girls this dude pulls in you could make a movie.

Another friend in construction who ONLY dates girls coming out of law school etc. literally the tables turned on this entire thread.

What value do YOU have. Your sense of taste, style, what makes you happy. It's still a numbers game. Woman work themselves these days and they like they're careers. As long as your not a TOTAL BUM you should be ok......

 

[ubercat]

Tenacity don't snap back mate. Those hard working immigrant girls r lonely.

 

[ThisNThat]

I guess I'm "underemployed".

Yet... I live on my own, nice lil setup. Have a nice clean car. I dress better. If you make six figures but you wear open toe sandals I've already won.

Anyway the truth is. Do I think id create more opportunities with more money? No question.

I have a friend who is a part time landscaper with a hot little blonde girlfriend who loves him.

I have another friend who still lives with his mother in his 30s and is a real true Don Juan. Like you have no clue the amount of HOT girls this dude pulls in you could make a movie.

Another friend in construction who ONLY dates girls coming out of law school etc. literally the tables turned on this entire thread.

What value do YOU have. Your sense of taste, style, what makes you happy. It's still a numbers game. Woman work themselves these days and they like they're careers. As long as your not a TOTAL BUM you should be ok......

And there ya have it. I've seen men that work nominal jobs that pull in the hotties. I think it may have to do with geographical location. If you live in a city where most women are into the who "glam" lifestyle that enjoy upscale night venues and prefer to eat at steakhouses where the meat is purposely marked up, those guys you mentioned may not have a shot.

But he'd probably have a shot with a cute waitress that works at the local Chilis.

I have another friend who still lives with his mother in his 30s

I know a few people that are coupled up, living with on set of parents. Happens all the time around here. The girlfriend not only wasn't turned off by the fact he lived with this mother, but fell in love with him and moved in under the same roof.

As they say, there's a pot for every lid.

 

[ThisNThat]

Believe it or not, I knew a woman that dated a mime that got laid off.

 

[bigneil]

And there ya have it. I've seen men that work nominal jobs that pull in the hotties.
As they say, there's a pot for every lid.

Lots of women date guys with low income. They are called fatties. Work harder or get a better job, or settle for fatties.

Otherwise, prepare to live in fear of her finding someone better any minute.

But wait, aren't you the one who argued that $75K salary with benefits is actually better than making $30,000 a month with no benefits? And who said chemotherapy coverage is more essential than food or cash, to the point where Obamacare should be mandated and people who store food are actually insane?

 

[Urbanyst]

Believe it or not, I knew a woman that dated a mime that got laid off.

And I know a dog that never barks.

What's your point? Most attractive women in the 8, 9 and 10 catergories don't want deadbeats.

The rule is what we should all focus on.. not the exception. You don't get abundance by hoping for exceptions.

 

[ThisNThat]

And I know a dog that never barks.

What's your point? Most attractive women in the 8, 9 and 10 catergories don't want deadbeats.

The rule is what we should all focus on.. not the exception. You don't get abundance by hoping for exceptions.

And one time, in band camp.... lol

 

[bigneil]

I would argue that your masculine purpose should be financial freedom. A man's purpose is always freedom from some type of limitation. The purpose should never be about women. Women are the spoils of victory. Women are automatic for the conquerors of the world.

It's so true.

I recently reached the point of becoming affluent, meaning I basically have about one year's pay put away.

If you've never reached this point you are caught up in the daily grind of finding food and shelter and you don't even know it. Granted, most humans in history did just that, but the concept of having enough resources to not have to answer to anyone elevates your being to a different level. One based on being alive, not being subservient.

Men reach this by being healthy, strong and working hard (and having good fortune).

Women generally reach this by 1) marrying such men, 2) sacrificing true motherhood, or 3) via welfare.

 

[bigneil]

I would say that money is one form of dominance among many, and one that is particularly easy to undermine/supersede.

Assuming getting women to cheat on their rich husbands is undermining, are there examples of superseding money?