Ukraine - what's really happenin

[Married Buried]

Yes

I'll be happy to post pics as soon as we are out of the Red. Dissidents disappear into black vans here on a regular basis. I've seen some pretty crazy stuff.

I already met a guy who met another peruvian chic and had a kid with her. The kid looked pretty white. I am whiter than a damned ghost. No kids yet even though I have been pumping her raw. Maybe we can't have kids. I wouldn't care.

 

[JoeMarron]

I dont understand how some people feel Russia is so in the right to "defend ethnic Russians in Crimea". They are only there because a generation or two ago, the USSR displaced the Tartars and others who were already there.

I guess thats the cool thing now. Displace natives, move your own people in, and years after the area becomes independent as a part of a separate nation, go back in and conquer it. Worked in Georgia...so I guess itll work here. I wonder what former soviet republic is next on the list.

All in all, invasion isnt foreign to the USA. We basically illegally took North American land we wanted from former European Empires. And lets not forget about the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy.

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Not to derail the thread....but this is exactly what is happening to white America at this point in time, not to mention nearly all of the western civilizations.

Lol I'm actually going to have to side with Jaylan on this one. The USSR displacing Tartar natives is not at all the same as what's happening in western civilization. If the natives of these nations don't like being displaced then they need to do something about it. It's not like another nation is forcing the USA and other western nations to accept legal and illegal immigrants. There is no reverse imperialism going on.

 

[Jaylan]

Lol I'm actually going to have to side with Jaylan on this one. The USSR displacing Tartar natives is not at all the same as what's happening in western civilization. If the natives of these nations don't like being displaced then they need to do something about it. It's not like another nation is forcing the USA and other western nations to accept legal and illegal immigrants. There is no reverse imperialism going on.

Someone who gets it. State sponsored immigration is very different from one nation going into another sovereign nation and displacing its citizens. Thats called illegal invasion and is usually seen as an act of war. And Im sure youve noticed I wasnt the one trying to talk about race or color here when this thread began...Im actually talking about international state rights.

No matter how much some people try to relate the two (State sponsored immigration vs forced displacement by an invading nation), they are very different. But we all know who will come back to try and argue this because he always has to get the last word . I guess some people feel like they've won something when they are the last to speak.

 

[Jaylan]

I am not trying to argue this at all. This is just your pathetic attempt to save face from your racism.

My only point was that displacement of whites is what is happening today, which of course fueled your racist rage to the point of making eight posts about it.

Nowhere did you make any statement about the method of displacement, nor did I disagree with it. Nice try though.

Case and point guys. What did I say yall? lolz. He cannot highlight where I was racist, and he just twists and misrepresents. Where is the racism? Quote it directly. All the troll tried to do was derail this into a race thread when it was about the Ukraine. All he can do is project his own "racist rage" onto someone else xD

PS - He desperately needs the last word though guys. Dunno why I wasted a post coming back to this thread =P

 

[Bible_Belt]

The Russian power grab continues. First the land, now the shipping lanes.


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-46338671
Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

 

[Skyline]

You'd have to be really naive to think that the US and Russia hate each other. It's like saying that the US hates Saudia Arabia.

Europe on the other hand, France and Britain, don't really like Russia.

 

[Spaz]

You'd have to be really naive to think that the US and Russia hate each other. It's like saying that the US hates Saudia Arabia.

Europe on the other hand, France and Britain, don't really like Russia.

They don't actively hate each other.

But they compete with each other to influence regions that ultimately will benefit themselves.

It's abt power.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Given the rise of the eastern dragon the american and russian interests are far from being similar.

The europeans themselves should stop b1tching at russia too given that its the only obstacle between china and them in the worst case scenario of a military conflict.

Talking about leftists wheter american or europeans, its amazing how they succeed in joining the wrong side in any possible situation.

Also while russia does not engage in attacks outside his proximity and only when necessary, we have china basically buying africa and lands full or resources and space, there is even a military base planned on western africa.

HERE

 

[Spaz]

The same reason for the Leftists in the US and the fake Russiagate.

It is all about the liberals trying to keep power, destroy the US, and stop us from being friends with Russia.

If I were to answer this then it would be a fvcking long post abt how countries via for power in a similar fashion how multinational companies act.

It will encompass relationship within a country towards others and within the public and the employees.

Everything you think that's happening is all not as you think.

One fine day I'll tell you how it's all done in detail.

All those smoke and mirrors you see daily is just that, merely chess pieces moving into play to gain a foothold.

Think of countries as giant multinationals companies each trying to be greater. And their populations as employees. Then think how does a giant company keep their employees motivated, disciplined, etc...

 

[Ranger]

Google search "Ukraine mercenaries" in Russian

There was a coup de tat / orange revolution in Ukraine. Mercenaries from USA, Britain, Russia, and other countries were given money to gather at this square, called Maidan, and demand change of government, plus rob and lute city and cause chaos.

Why?

Because Russia is absolute moral enemy of United States, and anything to destabilize Russia is a plus to United States. Obviously Russia's response to threat of Russian people living in Ukraine is a military one. This just means economic sanctions to Russia. This is the main reason.

You might also heard that Russia invaded Ukraine, that's just bull ****, it's like saying United States invaded Cuba by visiting it's base in Guantanamo. There is a Russian naval base in Sevastopol.

Where is it going?

Majority of Ukrainians does not want euro integration, thus it is going towards Russia.

Why don't they want euro integration?

I have family in Tallinn, and from their words euro integration is national castration, because you are given credit which you must take, and it comes with strings attached. Meaning government does what it is told. That's one. Second one, everyone expects France with euro integration, but in reality they get Haiti, because prices go up, and paycheck stays that same. Price of gas in Europe what now? Couple of Euros. In Russia it is less than a dollar, half a Euro.

So next time you hear something about Ukraine, know that United States has its hand in stability of that country. They want order by causing chaos, order out of chaos. It is hard to be in love with United States if you know its methods. (This is my main reason for leaving United States and moving to Russia, I wave my middle finger towards that country and call its bull ****.)

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Now let's deal with myths about Russia's involvement.

Myth #1: Russia is interested in fate of Ukraine because of gas pipeline which goes to Europe through Ukraine. That is not true. Russia has north and south pipelines, which do not go through Ukraine.

Myth #2: Russia is interested in Ukraine's land. That is not true. Maximum Russia is interested in is Crimea, because Russian army fought for it with Turks during Tzar. That said, population of Crimea wants to be with Russia. That said, majority of Ukraine wants to be with Russia. US has it hard there.

post some myths, I'll bust them

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Could this cause world war 3? I doubt it.

Would we see war? Probably, because there are mercenaries there, which are supported by local Fascists. It would be hard to call it revolution, but we could see some military activity. Similar to what was in Syria and Chechnya.

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This is the main thing, if you are pro Maidan, if you support revolutionary mercenaries and local Fascists, who are you? During World War 2, there were anti Soviet people, pro Hitler, which gather Polish and Jewish people and kill them. United States is supporting that in Ukraine. If you support them, I see that you have a problem.

We disagree. Not in the points you mentioned. But the whole premise is a missdirect.
Russia is landlocked and doesn’t have a warm water port.
Since Peter the Great, this has been an ongoing issue. There’s no expansion possibilities or economic freedom until they have a warm water port.

Basically Putin has crushed the centralized bank in Russia and paid off all its debt.
Ukraine is up against the Black Sea.
This is about money. Until Russia goes back into debt with world banking, Russia is considered an “enemy”, when in fact they are not.

By denying a warm water port to Russia, their economic possibilities are squashed.

 

[Von]

Russia has always been a ''weirdo'' in the Grand Scheme of European power.

Russia is an Asian country who's political elite turn itself towards European Elitism (and aristocracy)... It's been like that since the dawn of Russia. Nationalism in Russia emerged with Peter the Great who wanted a ''russian european cultured elite''... cause before all ''elites of russia governing bodies were important foreigner''... All the Great Russia Generals were ''austrian, french, british, spanish, italian'' none were born in Russia or Russian educated.

Russia in World War 1 actually had the most powerful navy and technologically advance.

Russia always sought to be a great naval power but its really land locked with few openings for naval capacity.

Russia when they took Crimea, it was to protect its biggest military naval base (cause Crimea becoming a ''independant country'' would cut Russia from its russian base).

Now in Ukraine, Ukraine is half russian culture half ukrainian culture.... The Russian are siding with the Russian Ukranian and seeking water control of the region which like Crimea gives them access to Turkish - MiddleEast and Mediteranean sea.

Basically Russia is just covering its influence sphere... meaning in Poland USA missiles are pointed at the Kremlin.

Russia is easy to understand: Poke the Bear and the Bear will slap you!

Even the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1960 was initiated by the USA... USA put nuclear missiles in Turkey which could it Moscow and St-Peterburgs... The soviet responded with missiles in Cuba

 

[Bible_Belt]

Backdoorjuan is on his way with a full explanation, as soon as Russian state tv tells him what is really going on here.

 

[backseatjuan]

It's simple really, especially if you don't watch fake ass media like Bible_Belt.

It was a provocation by west controlled Ukraine government. They gave orders to enter Russian territory. Ships went, pointed guns, fired a few rounds, Russian navy responded.

I doubt Ukraine wanted more sanctions for Russia, because sanctions don't do sh1t to our country, only make it stronger. It's an inner political game of Porashenko (the president of Ukraine). Nobody is gonna vote for him, and his election is soon, so he needed a martial law, which he got. During martial law, certain liberties, including election, are suspended. Thus he stays in power. By the way, it's not cool to support Porashenko and Ukraine, because Porashenko is translated literally like Sh1tter, it's the literal translation from Russian to English, and Ukraine is ran by National Socialists who actually love Hitler, hate Jews, and all that. Thus if you are for Ukraine, that means you support Sh1tter Hitler loving Jew hating nazis. Nothing gonna happen out of this.

But! We fvcking love an idea of false flag. Let's say somebody blows up a bridge somewhere in Russia. No people die. Then some b1tches on youtube posing as Ukranian Nazis claim responsibility. Russia mobilizes military, bombs the fvck out of Ukraine, gets rid of government, puts something dissent in its place. Done deal. I fvcking love this idea so much.

To be honest with you, I don't like watching this circus with Ukraine. Action has to be taken.

 

[Bible_Belt]

It's simple really, especially if you don't watch fake ass media like Bible_Belt.

It was a provocation by west controlled Ukraine government. They gave orders to enter Russian territory. Ships went, pointed guns, fired a few rounds, Russian navy responded.

I doubt Ukraine wanted more sanctions for Russia, because sanctions don't do sh1t to our country, only make it stronger. It's an inner political game of Porashenko (the president of Ukraine). Nobody is gonna vote for him, and his election is soon, so he needed a martial law, which he got. During martial law, certain liberties, including election, are suspended. Thus he stays in power. By the way, it's not cool to support Porashenko and Ukraine, because Porashenko is translated literally like Sh1tter, it's the literal translation from Russian to English, and Ukraine is ran by National Socialists who actually love Hitler, hate Jews, and all that. Thus if you are for Ukraine, that means you support Sh1tter Hitler loving Jew hating nazis. Nothing gonna happen out of this.

But! We fvcking love an idea of false flag. Let's say somebody blows up a bridge somewhere in Russia. No people die. Then some b1tches on youtube posing as Ukranian Nazis claim responsibility. Russia mobilizes military, bombs the fvck out of Ukraine, gets rid of government, puts something dissent in its place. Done deal. I fvcking love this idea so much.

To be honest with you, I don't like watching this circus with Ukraine. Action has to be taken.

And why is a big Russian ship blocking the bridge? Don't they have some hilarious excuse? Terrorists and stuff, right?

 

[backseatjuan]

So your blood pressure will rise. Who gives a fvck!

Nobody blocked those ships in the past. There is a lotsman service, you call them on radio, they get you through. Those ships in particular used this service several times in the past, without trouble.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I'm guessing your state media did not share with you the same picture the rest of the world has seen:
https://www.google.com/search?q=rus...9j33i10.qpvGCwPpCL4&ei=Pcz9W9C1HYWujwSZ7oCgDQ

 

[Spaz]

And the drama for power continues..

But it's mostly abt Putin galvanising his supporters and motivating the general public.

Clever move.

And unfortunate for Ukraine.

 

[Bible_Belt]

He said, "in the past". You may want to reread his statement so you can give a response which makes sense.

The Ukranians clain that the Russians have been stopping them for some time...you know, "in the past," under some sort of pretense about terrorists. And all of those pics are photoshop, I"m sure, by the CIA and the fake news.

Putin owned Obama for being a pvssy, and now he is owning Trump for being an egomaniacal moron. I have to hand it to him for being able to exploit the weakness of his opponent.

 

[Spaz]

What makes you think this is about Putin galvanizing his supporters?

Because I hv done the same when there's trouble brewing internally.

There must be trouble at home ground, perhaps support is dwindling or even a populous that's in the process of being slowly demotivated - this is perhaps the most dangerous of situation to be in.

A leader then must use every trick at his disposal to stop it and galvanised his people.

 

[Spaz]

Do you have evidence to support this theory of yours that Putin is doing it because of unrest?

Merely an observation that primarily makes sense for a man who has an indomitable will.

See the results. Therein lies his true intentions.

The noise r just details of misdirection.