Ukraine - what's really happenin

[rascal99v]

a perfect example of why liberals are idiots. They feel guilty for being successful and want to handcuff themselves until others catch up.

:crackup:

Danger is way off the mark again with this comment. He is just repeating the same false talking points of what he hears from his right wing conservative media. This comment is hilarious when you think about it.

Do you think that George Clooney and other rich left wing Liberals are handcuffing themselves waiting for the bum on the streets to get a starring role in an oscar award winning film? No. They are too busy spending their money and fvcking hot women all the time.

Do you think George and his other rich Liberal buddies feel guilty for spending the millions of dollars they make and pounding hot chicks all the time? LOL :crackup:


This is the same garbage rhetoric that FOX News and other conservative outlets spew all the time to get the gullible sheep on the right to follow suit and to promote their hate.

Liberals just want to give the hardworking people at the bottom a chance to have some opportunities as well.

No rich person that I know of (conservative or liberal) is sacrificing their own wealth or life waiting for someone on the bottom rung to catch up.

If anybody believes that, then I have some beach front property in the middle of Arizona that I would like to sell you.

Quit listening to these talking heads on the TV and radio. Both conservative and Liberal. All they want you to do is listen for ratings and buy into their rhetoric. Read some good independent news sources and form your own opinions yourself. Don't let others tell you how to think. When you do that, you say dumb stuff like this. :yes:

 

[Bokanovsky]

My history is spot on. I never stated that the Bay of Pigs was after the nuclear arming of Cuba, this was an assumption you made.

My point was that Fidel was a communist who was trying to spread his brand of slavery and mass murder to the rest of the American hemisphere. His willingness to arm himself with nuclear weapons aimed at American cities is more than enough to prove that the Americans were correct in wanting to have him removed.

Again, your recollection of history is a little hazy. Fidel never tried to obtain nuclear weapons. The Soviets were going to put their nukes in Cuba after Americans did the same thing by putting their nukes at Russia's front door in Turkey (though I'm sure you'll come up with a reason why it's okay for Americans to put nukes in Turkey but 'wrong' for the Soviets to do the same in Cuba).

Bottom line, there are invasions that are permissible, such as to protect yourself or allies from invasion - as in Iraq or the invasion of Germany during WWII.

Speaking of the Iraq invasion, which one are you referring to? The first one, when the CIA set up their old pal Saddam (whom they'd been funding and arming for years to fight a proxy war against Iran) by telling him that the U.S. Administration will okay the Kuwait invasion? Or the second one, when the CIA lied to the Congress by claiming that Saddam had WMD's, without a shred of evidence?

So let's take a closer look at this Ukrainian thug that Bokanovsky and the mafia don Putin support so much:

- Yanukovych has been convicted of robbery and assault several times, and he spent time in jail for it.

- According to Yanukovych’s presidential website, he received the honorary title of lecturer at the Faculty of Automobile Transport at the Donetsk State Academy of Administration. However, no such faculty exists.

- In 2000, Yanukovych reported that he received the academic credential of Doctor of Science. In order to receive this credential, Yanukovych had to publish at least 10 academic papers and prepare 5 students for their doctoral defense. No evidence of any of these papers or the students he allegedly supervised exists.

- In 2001, Yanukovych supposedly graduated from the Ukrainian Academy of Foreign Trade as a Master of International Law. However, there is no record of this. No professors or students remember him in class, taking exams, or attending graduation. His name does not appear on any graduation lists.

- Yanukovych is also reputedly a professor of the International Academy of Sciences, Education, Industry, and Arts. The only evidence of this “academy” existing is a post office box in Mountain View, California.

- he participated in a gang rape of a woman when he was young. He claimed that he was acquitted, but his acquittal papers turned out to be a forgery; in 2005 a Ukrainian state prosecutor charged him with fraud in connection with these forged papers but the statute of limitations had run out.

- Ukraine's Vernadsky national library has an electronic catalog which lists 23 publications, text books, and monographs with Yanukovych listed as the author. However, the library does not have any copies of the above-mentioned works. The Academy where they were prepared and apparently printed also has no record of the publications.

- In addition to his academic “credentials,” Yanukovych has the military rank of major. However, there is no record of him ever serving in the military.

Good job digging up the dirt on Yanukovich. But it seems that in your quest for the "truth", you've chosen to omit one inconvenient fact. Yanukovich did not seize power by force. He was not installed by the Russians. The Ukrainian people voted that assclown into office. No one questioned the legitimacy of the 2010 presidential election, which took place while his political opponents were in power. Despite being a total crook, he won fair and square in that election. "International observers and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe have called the election transparent and honest."

http://www.rferl.org/content/Ukrain...al_No_Comment_On_Election_Result/1954993.html

Want to take a guess why anyone voted for Yanukovich despite his shady past? Because his political opponents were just as bad - or worse. And that is the problem with Ukraine. There are no good guys in that conflict. It's a contest between pro-Western crooks and pro-Russian crooks. Neither side has moral superiority and to pretend otherwise and imagine the Ukrainian conflict as some kind of a "good vs. evil" scenario is either disingenuous or incredibly naive.

 

[Huffman]

This argument sucks. Both sides are overexaggerating as hell. So I can't support anyone's opinion here. Why not stick to the facts - the few ones that are certain?

-Current Kiev government has alot of extremist guys in it: TRUE
-The snipers who shot the protesters fired on government orders: UNCERTAIN?
-The new government does not want to investigate the snipers, even though they gained massive public support through them: TRUE
-Majority of Ukraineans prefer Russia: FALSE
-Majority of Crimeans prefer Russia: TRUE
-Russia sent more soldiers to Crimea, so the new Kiev government can't oust the Crimean politicians: TRUE
-This was needed, because armed uprisings in Crimea were imminent: FALSE
-EU observers are being kept from visiting Crimea: TRUE
-The Crimean "parliament" are holding a public poll on annexation by Russia: TRUE
-This poll is unlawful by the Ukrainean constitution: TRUE
-But the new Kiev government who claim this, are themselves unlawful by the very same constitution: TRUE
-Then again, Crimea politicians are already talking as if the annexation was already a sealed deal - although the poll hasn't been held yet: TRUE

-Ukraine can't afford the new Russian gas prices, and EU will have to pay like 10 billion every year: TRUE
-Russia will be heavily damaged by US economic sanctions: FALSE
-China has declared open support for Russia's position, offering to tighten their economic cooperation even more: TRUE
-Russia would be damaged by EU economic sanctions: TRUE (gas deal & luxury goods)
-EU needs Russian gas real bad and won't do anything big: TRUE

-USA are holding up a double standard regarding, by recognizing Kosovo but not Crimea: probably TRUE
-Putin only cares about the poor people: CERTAINLY NOT
-USA mainly want to beat on Russia by this outcry: TRUE
-Russia is any better: FALSE

I don't want to support USA because I've lost so much trust in them during the last 10 years. That being said, I've been to Russia - and even worse, central asian countries - and we (Germans) sure as hell have it better in the west. So Russia can't be the alternative.

What just SUCKS is that both sides claim moral high ground. And none has it.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Russians are bad muthas, they all pretty much grow up fighting BOYZ, Americans are pvssified texters and gamers. They live in harsh weather and they don't give a fvck. many Americans very underestimate slavs, they also underestimate Chinese, and a other poorer nations, heck Afgans. This "We're Numba 1! We're numba 1" is very annoying to a lot of these quiet unassuming people who believe in actions over words. Show me your strength they say, cause they ain't seeing it, and neither am I. We are a gluttonous, spoiled rotten from the head down (the fish rots from the head down) nation. Sure, we got a lot of entrepreneurs (sp.) and wealth of innovations, but the individual man/spirit is not a fighting one, among each head-count of American. A lot of our military is to pay for college and because there. are. no. other. jobs... Russians, etc are compelled and must go through military to find out what they are supposed to do vocationally the rest of their lives. There isn't much mobility in the Russian life, true. They also get a Lot fo things you say to them wrong, they misinterpret A lot of what you say to them. You're like wtf? I didn't mean it like you said I meant it, and they'll say stuff like "I'm on to you" "I know you're doing this and that" I've had Russian women accuse me of doing things I hadn't done at all or things I wasn't thinking at all! but all women do that, but Russian women even more! they accuse you of seeing other women blah blah. So Russians REALLY jump to conclusions and it's either niet! or Da! no or yes

 

[Jaylan]

The only one who seems driven berserk here is you Danger. Everyone can see that Ive avoided discussing your derailment topic because I know the forum rules on the topic. And I also know how race topics always turn out on this forum. They become nothing but circular debates filled with outright flame attacks with a mixture of thinly veiled character attacks.

Seems youre upset that I casually mock your derailment attempts and that Im ignoring your points. Not once in this thread have I presented my personal opinions on the topic you keep trying to bring up, despite your attempts to slander me and also put words in my mouth.

Now tell me again, whos really bothered here? Because its certainly not me.

 

[Jaylan]

Someone's trying way too hard now lmao

 

[Bokanovsky]

Bokanovsky, you can train for another 20 years, but you'll still never be nearly as sharp about history as I am.

Thanks bradd80, this comment made my day Now if you'll excuse me, I've got some training to attend to!

 

[Jaylan]

You just can't stop the racism, can you? Biggest hypocrite, ever.

Lol thats a stretch.

Now its racism when someone refuses to engage you in your try hard derailment topic? :crackup: I have not shared one personal opinion on the matter, yet Im a racist lolololol. :crazy:

Like I said, create your own thread if it bothers you that much. Oh wait, you know for a fact itll be locked as those topics are not allowed on this forum.

 

[rascal99v]

I highlighted your key statement here. The rich WANT to handcuff the rest because they don't want anybody else to get there.

I'm very glad that you highlighted my key statement for me.

What you did is deflect your original statement, switch it around, and contradict yourself. :yes:

They feel guilty for being successful and want to handcuff themselves until others catch up.

This is what you originally said. Totally different from what you are saying now. This is how you argue with people on here. You deflect, twist words around, and change what you originally stated. It's impossible to have a conversation that way. :yes:

They feel guilty for being successful and want to handcuff themselves until others catch up.

The rich WANT to handcuff the rest because they don't want anybody else to get there.

You said that Liberals are handcuffing themselves until the rest catch up and now they want to handcuff the rest so they can't catch up? :crazy: Which is it? You're contradicting yourself here. :yes:

The rich WANT to handcuff the rest because they don't want anybody else to get there.

Actually, that's the Republican Party who wants to handcuff the rest. The Democrats want the rest to have an opportunity to have some success. But the Republicans constantly bash them for trying to give them that opportunity. Minimum wage comes to mind right now doesn't it? It's the Republicans who are screaming about minimum wage handcuffing the people who need a better wage. Even old Ronnie Reagan thought it was important to raise the minimum wage. The GOP would call him a socialist now with his conservative values he held compared to the far right extreme tea party that controls the party today. Sounds to me like you don't understand the political party platforms. :yes:

When you see George Clooney and such move into downtown Detroit, then you have a point. But they talk out of one side of their mouth, and then surround their wonderful mansions with armed guards and fences.

Rules for thee but not for me.

So, now you bash Liberals and are envious of them for having success? Isn't that the same line you buy when you listen to your right wing media that tell you Liberals are envious of success? :yes:

How hypocritical is that? Why should they move into downtown Detroit when they are successful? That's crazy. All George and his rich Liberal buddies want is for the lower man on the totem pole to have a shot at success too. They aren't handcuffing themselves like the garbage rhetoric that FOX News and the conservative media lies about everyday.

Get your news from good Independent News Sources so the news you listen to doesn't get clouded with the bogus right wing spin. :yes:

Liberals want to handcuff themselves until the "weak" catch up. This is the line played by the rich liberals who are smart enough to know this won't work. And the "useful idiots" who are not rich and not smart enough to know it won't work.

Now you go back to your original statement again LOL :crackup:

They feel guilty for being successful and want to handcuff themselves until others catch up.

The rich WANT to handcuff the rest because they don't want anybody else to get there.

Liberals want to handcuff themselves until the "weak" catch up.

This is how you argue. You argue the same point wording it differently, trying to sound correct. But you end up contradicting yourself, but somehow you always claim to be right. This is how people argue when they are proven wrong. They make up false claims and argue in circles.

Whatever you say. You know you are wrong. There is no handcuffing. That is the big lie you republicans try to spin. I don't know of anybody standing around waiting for the lower man to catch up. That is a joke.

And now your ad-hominems begin.

There are no ad-hominems. I'm using the contradictory words that you used in two different threads. You can't have it both ways. Everybody can see that you contradicted yourself. You claim "ad-hominems" when you lose your argument to appear to look correct, but actually you are wrong with your statement. That is your go to argument tactic that you use to deflect your contradictions trying to make the other person to appear wrong.

Minimum wage just makes jobs more scarce. Classic supply/demand curve. Want to raise your wage? Get a skill.

Another republican lie used to handcuff the rest. Didn't affect any jobs in the past did it? Nope. Are you going to clean out toilets for a living? The person that is doing that should get paid three bucks more for working just as hard as somebody else does. That doesn't make jobs scarce. Some companies are already raising the wages of people's salaries on ther own. It hasn't affected the business or hiring of new jobs.

How is someone who makes nothing able to get a better skill when they have no way to get that skill?

The Tea Party is extreme Right......because balancing the budget somehow became the very definition of "extreme."

And when has the Tea Party ever balanced a budget? They won't even pass the debt ceiling to pay off the massive debt that Bush incurred for 8 years. That includes 2 unpaid wars, a failed prescription drug program, and big tax cuts. We had 8 years of Bush who gave us massive deficits in which still haven't paid off today.

Funny how you talk about socialism when Clinton had us in the green with 0 debt and the rich made out like bandits and people were better off. Then comes in Bush with his failed "trickle down economics" in which his father called it " Voodoo Economics" and almost brought our country to the brink of a major depression and a major economic collapse.

Republicans praise the great Ronnie Reagan who raised the minimum wage twice, supported gun control, citizenship to illegal aliens, and worked with the Democrats to pass Liberal and conservative legislation. You and the tea party all claim those to be socialists ideas and call it socialism. Very hypocritical. The very same man that republicans have built a golden shrine
for and can't praise enough. But when Democrats propose "his ideas" you call it socialism LOL.

Keep on preaching those failed right wing ideologies

 

[Jaylan]

I made this one point.

And you just can't unwind your panties over it. Your offense at this statement paints you as the racist we all know you to be.

How could anyone be so offended by this statement? Why do you hate whites so much?

Where did I show offense to your statement as you tried to derail this thread into a race topic? Show us all where. Because all I did was refuse to get into that debate. Wheres the racism if I never offered a personal opinion? Please quote me, because like rascal said, you have a bad habit of back tracking once you fail at making a point.

Also, there was no ad hominem in rascals point about you contradicting yourself. He made a judgment of your arguments and backed it up with direct quotes of what you said. I would hope you could do the same with regard to your baseless accusations of me.

Please show everyone my racist posts in this thread, or where I shared a personal opinion on the race matter you desperately tried to derail the thread to.

 

[Jaylan]

^By some weird twist of bs logic, you decide to label my disinterest in participating in a racial discussion as racism in of itself. Hilarious. And actually, I care about derailment because the moderators have been cracking down on rule breaking. Anyone whos been paying attention here knows that, and racial discussions have not been allowed for some time now here. So stop being desperate to get into it, and move on.

Thanks for showing everyone that you are full of it. Thanks for proving rascal right when he said you backtrack whenever you contradict yourself or make things up. I asked you to show where I made racist remarks or where I even offered an opinion regarding race in this thread, and you couldnt do that. I told you to quote me, yet you decide to backtrack and quote Rollo . The only one "enraged" here is yourself. Im just smiling at the fact that youre obsessing over my dismissive attitude .

I rest my case. Enjoy the thread.

 

[speed dawg]

• What is it about my observations on the displacement of whites across western civilization that enrages you so much you have to post EIGHT TIMES in response to it?
• What bothers you so much about one person's observations on this subject?
• Why will you not allow a person to recognize a problem in the white community?

I'm waiting on this one too, Gaylan.

I'll do you one better. The main reason I'm concerned about Ukraine is because it's a white nation. I really don't want white nations tearing themselves apart. How does that make you feel? Am I Hitler-incarnate now simply because I'm concerned about the well-being of the white race?

 

[Bokanovsky]

I'm waiting on this one too, Gaylan.

I'll do you one better. The main reason I'm concerned about Ukraine is because it's a white nation. I really don't want white nations tearing themselves apart. How does that make you feel? Am I Hitler-incarnate now simply because I'm concerned about the well-being of the white race?

Those of you trying to reason with Gaylan are just wasting your time. I've given up a long time ago.

 

[speed dawg]

I know you have been overcome by Neo-Con talk radio, Speed Dawg, but it hurts me to see red pill posters degrade themselves down to the level of Kaylan with this Coloring book race nonsense.

I hope you are right.

Most Europeans would laugh at the fantasy of Ukraine as "white". Leave it to Americans to categorize dozens of different ethnic groups that killed more of each other than any other people group in history as "white". News flash, most Europeans aren't the bastardized mixed-breed "white" in the American South. Stick to the Bill of Rights and Constitution, that is your heritage.

Because that's all Europeans have ever known. Same reasons that blacks kill each other at an alarming rate in Africa, Hispanics in Colombia, etc. There will always be conflict. All minorities stick together. When you lose a rallying cry, you fall apart. Those same Euros allow blacks to hack their soldiers to death in the middle of the street. Let's not act like Europe knows what's up.

 

[Married Buried]

I'm waiting on this one too, Gaylan.

I'll do you one better. The main reason I'm concerned about Ukraine is because it's a white nation. I really don't want white nations tearing themselves apart. How does that make you feel? Am I Hitler-incarnate now simply because I'm concerned about the well-being of the white race?

Syrians are whiter than you. Where's your concern for Syria?

 

[Married Buried]

Uhhh, no they are not.

Look at the president, alot of the citizens look like that.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/ideas/files/2013/09/bashar-al-assad-300x200.jpg

 

[Married Buried]

if you do a study on the demographic you will find they are mostly Arabic. They are very much a mixed race in Syria.


Perhaps a better term than "White" would be "Nordic".

Whatever. I think we would all be happy to procreate with miss Syria. Whiter than white, I don't give a **** what you call it.

http://worldshowbiz.info/wp-content...Syria-Nadeen-won-the-Miss-Arab-World-2012.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sxMI65XpH...XtaVpJU/s1600/nadine-fahd-miss-arabe-2013.jpg

Long live Syria.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Chinese are also white skinned.

And Mexicans, Brazilians, Argentinians and Uruguians.

 

[Married Buried]

...

 

[LiveFreeX]

Yes

I'll be happy to post pics as soon as we are out of the Red. Dissidents disappear into black vans here on a regular basis. I've seen some pretty crazy stuff.