Originally posted by TooColdUlrick
there is a fundamental hypocracy in these 25 points. not in the points themselves, because they are merely "noise" in the larger game.
to wit...
on the one hand, there is an attempt to not appear too eager, to not qualify yourself, to appear confident, to appear "secure". why? to bag as many HB9.37564 chicks as possible.
but on the other hand, you have gone so far as to develop a list of 25 "rules" & "tactics". why? to bag as many HB9.37564 chicks as possible.
There is a difference between appearing not to be doing the things you have mentioned and simply not doing the things you have mentioned.
You can appear to be doing what comes naturally to you while using canned material or a new technique you have learned. You call it hypocracy and I call it manipulation.
If your goal is to bag as many as possible, then manipulation might be your strongest strategy.
i am wondering how "successful" you would be, if the chicks that you were picking up KNEW IN ADVANCE that you are following a 25 Point Checklist, in an attempt to increase your chances of getting into their puzzies?
they would laugh you out of the club. rightfully so. agree?
Yes
the fact that you are making a 25 Point Checklist indicates that you are insecure and AFC at a deep level, despite your "success" with women.
If someone has a lot of success with women and understand why they have that success, then they are not an AFC.
You can be good at picking up women and still be insecure. You can be better than an average frustrated chump and still have room to grow.
While women will laugh at this site and every other one like it, they will moan in agony when their date is a bore or the same sort of loser approaches them at the bar, night after night. They will smile from ear to ear when they have a man who excites them and knows how to please them. Women would like to meet a man who was born with all of these wonderful attributes, knowing exactly what to do to make her happy. For various reasons, we all would like to be that man. The reality is that very few men are naturals. If you are not a natural and you make no effort to learn skills, then you will never be good. Picking up women is not just a matter of confidence and self worth. It is a social endeavor, and as such it requires a great deal of social skill.
A checklist indicates that there are certain skills that helped at least one other poster get better at the game.
It takes time, knowledge, and success to develop skills and build courage. If your friend was a terrible guitarist and he asked you for advice, you probably wouldn't point to the guitar and say "Just be a guitarist! Just play well. It should come naturally." He'd just keep making the same mistakes and horrible sounds, again and again, until he decided that guitar playing just wasn't in his blood, and maybe he would think there was something wrong with him.
Would you let this happen?
Nope, you'd get him a damned instruction manual and perhaps the name of a teacher who could give him some lessons and monitor his progress.
it also indicates that you desperately NEED women,
More like WANT and a desire to figure out how to GET. Need is too strong of a word to use in the context of pickups. We could argue that all of us need a little love in our lives. To become an artist? That's debatable?
especially only 10's
I forget where this came from but I seriously doubt that everyone in the community following Tyler's advice is pulling 10s.
, and many of them, every night, to validate yourself and quell your insecurities, and have resorted to Checklists, handwriting analysis, palm reading, and sock puppets...
that is the contradiction.
No, that is the style. This is the Don Juan discussion forum. While hopefully none of us are murderers, liars, and rapists who have slept with thousands of women - as the name connotates - you can bet that in some way shape or form we're looking to learn more about women and how to attract them.
This isn't a bodybuilding forum. It really wasn't started with the intention of being a self-improvement forum. It's not a circle jerk. Not a pissing contest. Just a place were dudes can go to figure out why they're not getting the kind of relationships they want with women, OR, it's the place where dudes go to learn how to get even better at dating, attraction, and seduction.
personally, i do what i want, when i want, where i want, how i want, in my own charming, engaging, and diplomatic manner. i don't have a problem with the hotties.
Great, and that sets you apart from the vast majority of men who log onto this site and ask how to get a phone number, or a second date, or a lay. You have a huge advantage over almost everyone here, and while much of what you have sort of came naturally for you, for others it is going to be an uphill battle.
Some guys want to call the girl the same day they get the number and try to set up a date for that night. Some guys leave seven or eight voice messages in a row before the woman can return their call. Some guys come on to women so strong that they are almost always seen as obnoxious. If they want to remain AFCs, then they can ignore this advice. If they continue their behavior, then despite their confidence or manliness, or whatever you want to call it, they will continue getting rejected. Of course, they might get laid every once in a while, and that's what separates them, the AFCs, from BAFCs and WBAFCs who have no skills, no confidence, AND no sex lives. If they want to have more control over their love life, then they better do their homework, and maybe they like reading checklists as opposed to field reports or seminars.
