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[Clockwerk50]

The typical guy getting out of a relationship that is 7-15 years long (even one where there wasn't children resulting from it) isn't a guy who has heard of Alan Roger Currie or Mode One.

A lot of those guys are going to be lost when trying to seduce new women (foreign exchange students or any type of new woman).

I have promoted Mode One before and cited you as the Mode One specialist on this forum.

A guy who started a relationship in 2013 and ended one in 2024-2025, putting him on the market today is likely to need an adjustment to the current times. Tinder existed in 2013 so it's not like that guy is completely lost on new dating technologies.

Guys who were completely reliant on approaching in real life in the 2000s/early 2010s and plan to approach in real life in the 2020s would be better off than guys who were website/app daters during that era and then got into some sort of long relationship.

By the late 2000s/early 2010s, it was common for mid-tier looks males (often blue pill ideology beta males) to be using dating websites or dating apps.

From what I gathered from @We_ArE_VeNOM, Mode One's main idea is to tell women exactly what is on your mind and what you want from them almost instantaneously. From reading some short synopses and other people's explanations of what Mode One is, it is not about saying explicit stuff publicly — it is more of a mindset.

With that being said, the way the Mode One’s ambassador here presented the advice to a high schooler, who is less emotionally and morally developed, makes it seem like it is okay to approach someone by saying inappropriate things that will obviously make women afraid of him. OP asked how not to be creepy, and offering advice such as "let's be intimate next week" portrays that telling a woman verbally and directly that "she has a nice ass" and "let's ****" is acceptable - when the most likely outcome is that he will continue to be socially uncalibrated or even go to jail. The problem with the advise is that, just like his approaches, it did not adjust to OP’s situation, setting, or background.

Indirect approaches are more like beginner difficulty, while direct approaches are more intermediate. Direct approaches are good as a "cut to the chase" method where all your other supporting factors are in good standing (looks, money, status, personality, plates). It is not going to work if you do not even know how to talk to people. This is the main reason his advice should be emphasized on the "mindset" that Roger explains. Not sure if he would be the right guy for that…

Lastly, Roger did the approaches in the '80s when people did not record interactions. If you tell all the girls at your school or the gym that you want to "sleep with them on the weekend," you are not just going to be a creep but also end up on TikTok or YouTube. Direct method is good if it is adjusted to the situation. That's why this type of advice is dangerous to be given to a high schooler, which is a person who has not developed fully yet.

 

[SW15]

my style ain't outdated.

Your style wouldn't be outdated but most men re-entering dating after something like 7-15 years (and typically 35+ or even 40+) would feel behind the times.

Are we talking about the methodology (Approach + interaction to lay) used...or are we talking the vessel used (dating apps, nightclub, social event, etc)...that is dated?

Good question. When I was writing what I was writing, I was thinking about both the methodology and vessel used. I was thinking of the totality of a man getting in dating again after the end of a 7-15 year relationship.

Let's say a guy met his girlfriend in 2010 while in college on a college campus. His relationship ends in late 2024/early 2025 (November - March is peak breakup season).

How's that guy going to deal with the new world? He probably didn't use dating websites back in 2009 and 2010. Apps were still 2 years away. He didn't approach strangers as a working age person. He probably met his college girlfriend in 2010 based on something in a social circle, a random approach after class, or in some campus extracurricular club activity. At best, he approached her at an off campus college party.

That guy would be lost with swipe apps. He's never sent a DM on Instagram looking for a date. He's got limited daygame and/or nightgame experience.

He likely had kids with his ex during those 15 years. If he didn't, that would make things easier but still a challenge as a 36-38 year old man who hasn't dated in the adult world.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I appreciate your genuine assessment.

From what I gathered from @We_ArE_VeNOM, Mode One's main idea is to tell women exactly what is on your mind and what you want from them almost instantaneously.

Yes, depending on which variation of MO you use, because not all variations requires things to happen instantly..and it also depends on the environment...are you at the club, bar, supermarket, library?

You must have situational awareness.

From reading some short synopses and other people's explanations of what Mode One is, it is not about saying explicit stuff publicly — it is more of a mindset.

It can be about saying explicit stuff (Mode One Hardcore), but saying explicit stuff is not a requirement..and this is a common misconception about Mode One.

And you are correct, it is indeed a mindset...an entire philosophy based on true premises.

And true premises lead to true conclusions.

With that being said, the way the Mode One’s ambassador here presented the advice to a high schooler, who is less emotionally and morally developed, makes it seem like it is okay to approach someone by saying inappropriate things that will obviously make women afraid of him.

He stated in post #39 that he don't have a problem being bold.

Well, then he shouldn't have a problem with Mode One, which is bold and doesn't get any more bolder than that.

He may be a high schooler, but hey, it starts now.

He can start by using the conventional (default) Mode One variation, and then progress towards Mode One Hardcore later, should he see fit.

OP asked how not to be creepy
, and offering advice such as "let's be intimate next week" portrays that telling a woman verbally and directly that "she has a nice ass" and "let's ****" is acceptable

First of all, your perceived assessment of a woman's reaction towards his directness, I vehemently disagree with.

Sure, you'll have some women who will give adverse reactions, but so what?

As a man, you are to stand 10 toes down on your position...not giving a damn what the woman thinks.

If a woman is creeped out by my sexual advances, then this woman just ain't for me..just as much as I'm not for her.

Why would you want to be with a woman who is creeped out by your sexual advances?

The idea behind Mode One is to weed out those women in a quick fashion, without being 2-3 dates in...and with your money gone in the process.

- when the most likely outcome is that he will continue to be socially uncalibrated or even go to jail.

So, the crime of telling a woman you want to smash..

Is that a misdemeanor, or a felony?

Tell me.

The problem with the advise is that, just like his approaches, it did not adjust to OP’s situation, setting, or background.

He can cater the method to whatever the situation is, just as long as he doesn't waste/gamble his money on an undeserving woman...which is what Mode One prevents.

Indirect approaches are more like beginner difficulty, while direct approaches are more intermediate. Direct approaches are good as a "cut to the chase" method where all your other supporting factors are in good standing (looks, money, status, personality, plates). It is not going to work if you do not even know how to talk to people.

Nonsense.

The man said..

"I'm pretty shameless, so I have no issue with being bold."

Doesn't sound like a person who doesn't know how to talk to people.

Stop babying him, and making excuses for him.

This is the main reason his advice should be emphasized on the "mindset" that Roger explains. Not sure if he would be the right guy for that…

Again,

"I'm pretty shameless, so I have no issue with being bold."

That statement alone is the epitome of being Mode One.

Shameless, and bold.

So dont feed me that bullshiit.

Lastly, Roger did the approaches in the '80s when people did not record interactions. If you tell all the girls at your school or the gym that you want to "sleep with them on the weekend," you are not just going to be a creep but also end up on TikTok or YouTube. Direct method is good if it is adjusted to the situation. That's why this type of advice is dangerous to be given to a high schooler, which is a person who has not developed fully yet.

*Plays violin*.

I am a man.

Ain't trying to hear that soft shiit.

 

[SW15]

Roger did the approaches in the '80s when people did not record interactions. If you tell all the girls at your school or the gym that you want to "sleep with them on the weekend," you are not just going to be a creep but also end up on TikTok or YouTube. Direct method is good if it is adjusted to the situation. That's why this type of advice is dangerous to be given to a high schooler, which is a person who has not developed fully yet.

Recorded approaches are a thing. Some PUAs do it but some women will capture being approached. We probably don't talk about that topic enough on this forum. That said, I don't think any women have recorded any of my approaches.

From reading some short synopses and other people's explanations of what Mode One is, it is not about saying explicit stuff publicly — it is more of a mindset.

I would agree that Mode One is more of a mindset. I am also not as well versed in Mode One.

Indirect approaches are more like beginner difficulty, while direct approaches are more intermediate.

That's fair to say. Roosh in "Day Bang" was more of a proponent of indirect approaching.

Roosh's standard nightlife opener in "Bang" was more indirect than direct as well.

I've leaned over time more towards indirect than direct. I think direct has a good place. Street approaching and nightlife venue approaching in a higher energy venue are good for direct.

situational awareness.

Situational awareness is important in all social interactions, especially initial approaches and early stage dates.

People with subpar situational awareness likely have subpar social skills. Having subpar social skills as a male will affect ability to get vagina.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Your style wouldn't be outdated but most men re-entering dating after something like 7-15 years (and typically 35+ or even 40+) would feel behind the times.



Good question. When I was writing what I was writing, I was thinking about both the methodology and vessel used. I was thinking of the totality of a man getting in dating again after the end of a 7-15 year relationship.

Let's say a guy met his girlfriend in 2010 while in college on a college campus. His relationship ends in late 2024/early 2025 (November - March is peak breakup season).

How's that guy going to deal with the new world? He probably didn't use dating websites back in 2009 and 2010. Apps were still 2 years away. He didn't approach strangers as a working age person. He probably met his college girlfriend in 2010 based on something in a social circle, a random approach after class, or in some campus extracurricular club activity. At best, he approached her at an off campus college party.

That guy would be lost with swipe apps. He's never sent a DM on Instagram looking for a date. He's got limited daygame and/or nightgame experience.

He likely had kids with his ex during those 15 years. If he didn't, that would make things easier but still a challenge as a 36-38 year old man who hasn't dated in the adult world.

Well, let me put it to you this way, good friend..

I've been married from 2010-2022 (been separated since 2022).

So my timeframe ain't too different from yours.

And guess what...I'm doing just fine .

If I can do it, anyone can do it.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Mode One Hardcore, mentality, and situational awareness. It would have been nice if you would have explained those concepts to OP earlier. It would have prevented so many petty arguments and so many irrelevant back and forth.

Anyways, I’m just trying to get laid so my man peace.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Mode One Hardcore, mentality, and situational awareness. It would have been nice if you would have explained those concepts to OP earlier.

Bruh, I shared my entire two threads on the topic with OP.

Anything he wanted to know specifically, he could have asked.

But the fact that he gravitated towards the bullshiit others were preaching, goes to show that the"I am bold" shiit was just all talk.

It would have prevented so many petty arguments and so many irrelevant back and forth.

It's cool because these convos only serve as confirmation, that direct game is superior.

Anyways, I’m just trying to get laid so my man peace.

Do you, pimpin.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Recorded approaches are a thing.

I'm thinking about getting a hidden camera and recording my approaches.

 

[SW15]

I've been married from 2010-2022 (been separated since 2022).

That's interesting.

The typical guy who got married in 2010 likely started the relationship with the woman they married between 2006-2008. I'm going to tell a story here and I'm going to say 2007 is when that couple formed.

If this couple formed in 2007, married in 2010, separated in 2022, and likely finalized a divorce in 2022-2023, then we have a realistic timeline for a story.

It's very difficult to have a relationship for 15 years with the same woman and not have children with her. Couples that form prior to their late 30s likely won't go more than 5-7 years without having their first child together.

The typical guy who started an LTR in 2007 and received divorce papers in 2022 (women file for divorce in most cases) would have difficult in today's dating market.

This is likely a late Gen X/early Millennial guy (born 1979-1983) who has 1-3 kids with a woman who is near his age.

Imagine it is 2022 and a 40 year old early Millennial male born in 1982 has received divorce papers.

The 1982 born male with 2 kids who hasn't dated in 15 years is in for a rude awakening. He's like a blue pilled male and he likely wasn't a massive seducer prior to 2007.

Dating as a single father in the 2020s after 15 years away from dating is likely difficult, especially with a more blue pill ideology. However, many men do get more of a red pill ideology after they get screwed over in the divorce.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I didn't tag you because I didn't feel like dealing with your headache...again...I'm here to advise a noobie, not challenge your ego.

Have you ever done sales? Because this is like sales.

Your approach is "hey, wanna f***?" and you next them if it's anything but "yes".

My approach is "hey you're gorgeous, what's your name?" and then I improvise.

Both approaches are direct, but like I've said before, your method is like throwing a Hail Mary every single play. You might score some touchdowns, but you'll probably score way more by taking a little more time and showing these women why they want to sleep with you rather than expecting them to already know.

On a side note, I've posted field reports and a whole journal here, so you should know better than to say I "don't have balls". I don't think I've read any of your reports - everything is just Mode One this, Mode One that.

He talks about how he got with some 70+ year old granny with this method in one of them actually...

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

He talks about how he got with some 70+ year old granny with this method in one of them actually...

Yeah, and I also talked about how I got a 19 year old from the gym with it, too.

From ages 19-70, I make it easy for them to get my d!ck, if they want it.

And I don't care what fake azz dons on here think about it, either.

 

[characternote]

as with any 'method', you get the girls who think you are hot. It's all good
Direct/mode1 saves times
Although I personally usually go more indirect for my own reasons, but im' not really against it. Too each their own. Whatever works

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

as with any 'method', you get the girls who think you are hot. It's all good
Direct/mode1 saves times
Although I personally usually go more indirect for my own reasons, but im' not really against it. Too each their own. Whatever works

Both methods "work", but direct works better.

 

[SW15]

Both methods "work", but direct works better.

I like direct game better outdoors.

Indirect is good in indoor retail venues for not attracting attention of employees or security guards. There have been approachers who have been kicked out of malls and sometimes grocery stores for approaching.

My approach style has never drawn any attention and my favorite venue for approaching is a grocery store. I tend to go indirect in the grocery store.

Some approachers will spend extended periods of time in the grocery store (2-3 hours for an approach session). I have never gone more than 1 hour lingering in a grocery store.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I like direct game better outdoors.

Indirect is good in indoor retail venues for not attracting attention of employees or security guards. There have been approachers who have been kicked out of malls and sometimes grocery stores for approaching.

My approach style has never drawn any attention and my favorite venue for approaching is a grocery store. I tend to go indirect in the grocery store.

Are we talking direct when it comes to requests for sex, or direct as it relates to asking for the number (or, for you guys; dates)?

Some approachers will spend extended periods of time in the grocery store (2-3 hours for an approach session). I have never gone more than 1 hour lingering in a grocery store.

There is one Walmart where I can spend 1 hour lingering, on a good day.

But besides that one, after about 10-15 minutes (if that long), Ive usually seen all I needed to see.

Dude, per previous discussion; Fry's.

Fry's may have surpassed Walmart nowadays.

My success at Fry's..Ive been doing NUMBERS in that muhfuka.

 

[Vanderdonck]

Ok so I went for the kiss. She just dodged. And said: "I'm sorry, I think we should leave".
Then while we were leaving she said : " I wont be mad if you dont come tommorow".

OP - good for you. Believe it or not you should count this as a win. Count every win.

You went for the kiss and she declined. No biggie. Now you know. And her comment was rude so just forget her. Take this experience and grow.

In fact the biggest takeaway is you didn't wait for silly "IOIs" but just went for it.

Generally exchange/erasmus students are DTF so it's not a bad idea to meet them. But cast a wide net and just keep trying. You're 18, lots of success to come.

 

[SW15]

Are we talking direct when it comes to requests for sex, or direct as it relates to asking for the number (or, for you guys; dates)?

For me, it's more about the opener. Direct as in the opener is more sexually oriented whereas indirect the opener is more observational about the environment then the conversation transitions into more personal topics followed by an ask out/phone number exchange.

In both direct and indirect approaches, contact info is exchanged at a minimum. It's better to get an agreement on a future interaction, then collect a phone number. A phone number alone without an agreed upon future 1-on-1 get together is worthless. I don't even ask for that anymore.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

For me, it's more about the opener. Direct as in the opener is more sexually oriented

If we are talking daygame, if one decides to use a sexually explicit opener on day game, then I tip my hat off to him.

I believe Mode One Hardcore is best served for nightgame (or certain other circumstances), but ain't mad ain't a dude who has the balls to go all out on the opener.

whereas indirect the opener is more observational about the environment then the conversation transitions into more personal topics followed by an ask out/phone number exchange.

Bro, I've been in situations where those lengthy conversations got me nowhere.

I've interacted with women, and exchanged contact info after a lengthy conversation (which I thought served me well), only for them to not contact me after it was all said and done.

My thoughts?

"All of that, for nothing".

That's why as of now, conversations are cut to a bare minimum.

Bank robbery method.

In & out.

In both direct and indirect approaches, contact info is exchanged at a minimum. It's better to get an agreement on a future interaction, then collect a phone number. A phone number alone without an agreed upon future 1-on-1 get together is worthless. I don't even ask for that anymore.

I get what you're saying, in theory.

I tend to be a little more quicker with the draw.

I'm gonna make a thread explaining my systematic approach...from beginning to end.

I'll see you there.

 

[SW15]

If we are talking daygame, if one decides to use a sexually explicit opener on day game

In daygame, the more standard direct opener is opening with a line about the woman's overall good looks.

I've been in situations where those lengthy conversations got me nowhere.

I've interacted with women, and exchanged contact info after a lengthy conversation (which I thought served me well), only for them to not contact me after it was all said and done.

My thoughts?

"All of that, for nothing".

That's why as of now, conversations are cut to a bare minimum.

The idea behind having an extended conversation in daygame or nightgame is to have a better idea if the vibes will be good enough for a good first date. A good first date is one that will result in a second date.

The idea about whether that works in the real world is debatable.

It's super disappointing to have an extended conversation, get an agreement for a future get together, and then have her flake on it is bad. It's also bad to have a lousy first date off of one of those extended approach conversations as well.

 

[AntoniousIV]

OP - good for you. Believe it or not you should count this as a win. Count every win.

You went for the kiss and she declined. No biggie. Now you know. And her comment was rude so just forget her. Take this experience and grow.

In fact the biggest takeaway is you didn't wait for silly "IOIs" but just went for it.

Generally exchange/erasmus students are DTF so it's not a bad idea to meet them. But cast a wide net and just keep trying. You're 18, lots of success to come.

I like this answer, idk if im biased or whatever but I like it.
After you said it, I really think this is a win. Aspecially because I mustered up the courage to talk to her (before I knew them) and schedule a meet (I wanna show you a good "turkish tea place").

Btw which part do you think was rude? I dont quite get that part.