Truth is, Attraction is 9/10 of the law

[guru1000]

It's true, but I certainly wouldn't bang a 10 who demonstrated a sh!tty attitude from the outset, for example, regardless of how hot she was.

It's particularly true of female list, their arousal is more complex than that of men. Men are visual creatures, women are aural. But I don't need to explain that to you.

These days I theorize that steadfast (as opposed to fleeting at-the-moment) attraction for women boils down to two elements: Looks and/or status, with status encompassing confidence, personality, and how one relates and communicates to the world, which is indicative of one's status within a social hierarchy.

 

[claudolfgeorgini]

We all know how it works but not any different than old women sometime we find ways to bullsh1t ourself into thinking we can "run the show" by learning game.

A man who thinks he is gonna get the same results of a chad just by learning game is not any different than an old fat woman who thinks a further degree and a promotion at work is gonna get her guys.

No amount of game is gonna push us above anyone with a look score more tha 1 point higher than us, game gets you above someone close in terms of look...just forget fairy tales and 90s movies where the nerds get the girls in the end.

Given the choice between improving my game seriously or get back the hairline I had in my early 20s, I would pick the hairline being totally sure it would be a game changer and Im not even seriously bald.

Confidence allows you to pull the trigger but you need to have a loeaded gun first.

Not trying to be a d1ck but anyone should really ask himself if its worth the hassle given what his current status allows him to get.

To add to what you said
Even "game" itself is really just knowing how not to talk yourself out of getting laid.
I've gotten girls based on my slightly above average looks and sometimes would **** it up by being needy or just saying stupid ****

 

[claudolfgeorgini]

These days I theorize that steadfast (as opposed to fleeting at-the-moment) attraction for women boils down to two elements: Looks and/or status, with status encompassing confidence, personality, and how one relates and communicates to the world, which is indicative of one's status within a social hierarchy.

Status is less about how you feel about yourself and more about how other people feel about you.
Status is about how much pull and leverage you have within whatever subculture of social circle you share with a woman.

And at a high enough point status beats looks. Even money can beat looks.
I have friends with 10k+ followers on instagram who get laid just off of that.
And every average/ugly guy that I know has a hot girlfriend, got them through their circle of friends. But the guy usually has some sort of value such as a good job.

 

[IKO69]

It all matters gentleman...don't know why so much bickering about looks vs. money vs. status. All of them and are good and worth having. Now that that's been established, what is going to be done about it? If you have all three, god bless you, if you have just one or neither, then do your best to cultivate them to the best of your ability.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

We all know how it works but not any different than old women sometime we find ways to bullsh1t ourself into thinking we can "run the show" by learning game.

A man who thinks he is gonna get the same results of a chad just by learning game is not any different than an old fat woman who thinks a further degree and a promotion at work is gonna get her guys.

No amount of game is gonna push us above anyone with a look score more tha 1 point higher than us, game gets you above someone close in terms of look...just forget fairy tales and 90s movies where the nerds get the girls in the end.

Given the choice between improving my game seriously or get back the hairline I had in my early 20s, I would pick the hairline being totally sure it would be a game changer and Im not even seriously bald.

Confidence allows you to pull the trigger but you need to have a loeaded gun first.

Not trying to be a d1ck but anyone should really ask himself if its worth the hassle given what his current status allows him to get.

More than just 1 point. I’m probably a 5 or 6 based off just looks alone (I mean I have acne so that’s the main reason why, otherwise I’d probably be an 8 or 9). But because I worked on my social skills, learned how to dress, gained confidence and manliness, I can actually pull tail if I really wanted to. I’m probably at least a 7 normally because of that. And the highest tier women like men with certain personality traits over their physical features. It’s why you’ll see stunners with average or even below average looking men sometimes.

 

[corrector]

He is a naturally bigger guy, (his dad is like a big fat beerbelly guy who looks like a mob enforcer) but he works out a lot and stays fairly lean.

I have seen him blow up from time to time and go up to 16-18% bodyfat with like a double chin and a belly, but he retains his broad shoulders and big arms.

I have (or had a month ago) 36.6% body fat and now I'm freaking out since I have a fatty liver as well to boot. I'm trying to eat mainly veggies now.

It has negligable difference on his game, tbh if i was him I'd just train 3x a week because all he needs to do is stay in somewhat decent shape and he's golden.

By comparrison I need to be in very good shape to get near his results. If i lose my shape and go up to >16% plus bodyfat i lose my facial definition and become pear shaped and get zero female interest

If im 10-12% with abs and good definition I'll get like 70% of the attention he gets in average shape. And i actually know game

Well, I guess I can't complain if I'm not getting traction. If I get 20% body-fat that would be a major improvement. You are saying over 16% of body fat is too much. That sounds like the problem with me right there. If I don't lose my weight I have potential medical issues (already have/had a fatty liver), and I'm not getting any attention either. Now I have to lose my weight now just to have the right to cry incel on here because I can't say anything if I'm repulsively fat. Not sure if anyone else on here has over 35% body fat.

 

[devilkingx2]

One of my best friends is concensus very attractive guy.

6'2" broad shoulders, good looking face.

He broke up with his GF and went on tinder and was matching at an insane rate. Basically 90% of attractive girls who come into our social circle become interested in him.

He legit has 8/10s who HE friendzones.

The guy has no game, and tbh his personality isn't that great, he can be fun but he's a bit of a ****, not very bright nor very articulate.

it's pretty simple I'd say:

imagine 3 men, low LMS, medium LMS, and high LMS (relative to the perspective of a woman in question, since what she would consider high or low isn't necessarily objective) they correspond to 3 women (by your perspective): a gross unfvckable HB1-4, an alright but not attention grabbing HB5-7 and a blazing bombshell HB8-10.

the equivalent to trying to woo a woman with game for a man would be a woman trying to woo you with sexual things, kinkiness and sex drive and such.

there's nothing an HB1-4 could say to you that would get you to fvck her, you don't care if a 400 pound woman supposedly gives amazing BJs and is down for anal do you? well that's how a woman feels when a man she considers low LMS tries to game her

on the flip side, an HB8-10 could say almost anything and you'd still wanna fvck her, she could tell you that she only likes sex once a week and only in the missionary position with the lights off in a bedroom after being taken out to a dinner that costs at least $100, you'd still be down to smash. this is how a woman feels when a high LMS man talks to her, whether he says "hey b!tch want sum fuk?" or if he speaks eloquently in flowing prose, she's already down

but it's there in the middle where it matters, if an HB5-7 says to you what the HB8-10 said (boring prude basically) in the above example, you'd say "sorry not interested" but if she says what the HB1-4 said to you (offering great BJs and doing anal), you'd be down in an instant. this is where game matters, when a woman considers your LMS/SMV to be adequate or acceptable or normal, but nothing special, you must use your silver tongue to convince her and seal the deal.

obviously though there's the caveat that the more attractive you are, the easier it will be to simply find a woman who'd say yes to "want sum fuk?" than it would be to bother trying to convince a girl who thinks you're a 5-7.

 

[skinnyguy]

it's pretty simple I'd say:

imagine 3 men, low LMS, medium LMS, and high LMS (relative to the perspective of a woman in question, since what she would consider high or low isn't necessarily objective) they correspond to 3 women (by your perspective): a gross unfvckable HB1-4, an alright but not attention grabbing HB5-7 and a blazing bombshell HB8-10.

the equivalent to trying to woo a woman with game for a man would be a woman trying to woo you with sexual things, kinkiness and sex drive and such.

there's nothing an HB1-4 could say to you that would get you to fvck her, you don't care if a 400 pound woman supposedly gives amazing BJs and is down for anal do you? well that's how a woman feels when a man she considers low LMS tries to game her

on the flip side, an HB8-10 could say almost anything and you'd still wanna fvck her, she could tell you that she only likes sex once a week and only in the missionary position with the lights off in a bedroom after being taken out to a dinner that costs at least $100, you'd still be down to smash. this is how a woman feels when a high LMS man talks to her, whether he says "hey b!tch want sum fuk?" or if he speaks eloquently in flowing prose, she's already down

but it's there in the middle where it matters, if an HB5-7 says to you what the HB8-10 said (boring prude basically) in the above example, you'd say "sorry not interested" but if she says what the HB1-4 said to you (offering great BJs and doing anal), you'd be down in an instant. this is where game matters, when a woman considers your LMS/SMV to be adequate or acceptable or normal, but nothing special, you must use your silver tongue to convince her and seal the deal.

obviously though there's the caveat that the more attractive you are, the easier it will be to simply find a woman who'd say yes to "want sum fuk?" than it would be to bother trying to convince a girl who thinks you're a 5-7.

Yup

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

These days I theorize that steadfast (as opposed to fleeting at-the-moment) attraction for women boils down to two elements: Looks and/or status, with status encompassing confidence, personality, and how one relates and communicates to the world, which is indicative of one's status within a social hierarchy.

I thought about this response and have come to the conclusion that the one true cause of attraction is personal power. Looks and status are elements of that cause, but proliferation and maintenance of personal power is the one true consideration. At the weekend, I saw a 3/10 guy with a solid 7 on his arm. And he completely owned it. Looks and status are elements, but like all other elements, the impact is completely variable in the eyes of the beholder.

 

[Red Legg]

Every woman I have ever fvcked on OLD has told me they found me very attractive (later on) so it is 90% looks at first.If they fall in love with your personality which usually occurs later on then her attraction switches to 50 % looks 50% personality then she will hang around for a long time and you might even perma- plate her.