Trump's Travel Ban

[Bible_Belt]

How dare those 7 million Jews want to exist among 250 million Arabs, and on a microscopic part of "their land" no less!?

The Jews can do whatever the fvck they want, but they can also do without the $3.8 Billion a year we give them in aid. We can't pay for our own schools and social programs, but we've always got money to give to Israel. They have a higher standard of living than we do. They should be giving us aid.

 

[Bible_Belt]

After ICE making national news with small-town stupidity, suddenly the restaurant manager's hearing got fast-tracked and they are letting him out of jail for the moment. Other detainees have to wait 6-12 months to get that hearing...all while your tax dollars get funneled to the GEO group, which is the real point of all of this bullsh!t. Hate is for stupid people. The smart people are the ones pushing your buttons to make money off that hate.

http://thesouthern.com/news/local/c...cle_4064034e-107f-5d7c-9296-4df2f13f5dcb.html
West Frankfort man detained by ICE granted bond, expected to be released today

 

[BlueAlpha1]

The Jews can do whatever the fvck they want, but they can also do without the $3.8 Billion a year we give them in aid. We can't pay for our own schools and social programs, but we've always got money to give to Israel. They have a higher standard of living than we do. They should be giving us aid.

But fiscal conservatism in America and self-determination for the Jews wasn't your original point.

We were talking about why Islamic countries hate us, and you basically said propping up Israel was a big part of it, but I've given several examples of how they target non-interventionist, almost pacifist countries just as much.

And to whoever said "well Belgium and Holland are part of NATO!!!", stop the splitting hairs silliness. Look at some of the countries in NATO. They're allies on paper only. Muslims have zero legitimate grievances against countries like Luxembourg or Slovenia. Give me a break.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Ending US support for Israel was a specific demand of Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, which they started making long before 9/11

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Ending US support for Israel was a specific demand of Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, which they started making long before 9/11

Do you believe 9/11 wouldn't have happened if the USA had cut off all support to Israel?

I don't that argument holds up when you consider the examples I've given of them targeting countries whose foreign policy cannot be blamed in the slightest. I think 9/11 still happens anyway.

Yes, they really hate America for taking the fight to them. But they hate other infidel countries for being so weak, and the suicide bombs happen either way. You can't win with savages.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Al Qaeda was actually a lot more reasonable than ISIS. The latter got kicked out of the former for being too radical.

My criticism of the US support of Israel is meant as a critique of the military-industrial complex, who receive a lot of that money, and not as anything against Jewish people. There's been a wave of Trump-inspired violence lately against Jewish cemeteries and community centers. The last thing I want to do is encourage such stupidity

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Al Qaeda was actually a lot more reasonable than ISIS. The latter got kicked out of the former for being too radical.

My criticism of the US support of Israel is meant as a critique of the military-industrial complex, who receive a lot of that money, and not as anything against Jewish people. There's been a wave of Trump-inspired violence lately against Jewish cemeteries and community centers. The last thing I want to do is encourage such stupidity

I agree 100%. First in that Al-Qaeda was actually Diet-ISIS, and what rose out of the disastrous War On Terror was a head far bigger than the one we cut off.

The fact that we can come to common ground in this thread is a good thing.

We latch onto these identity politics too much. There is no group I detest right now more than the regressive left. For that, I've been called a "white supremacist" and "Islamophobe".

But the funny thing is I can't stand these new alt-right radicals either. They're a bunch of societal rejects preaching Nazism, anti-Semitism, and conspiracy theories. I am a defender of Israel because they get a bad rap for defending themselves against savages. And for this, I've been called a "Zionist".

You can't be a "white supremacist" and a "Zionist" at the same time. The only thing white supremacists and radical Islamic terrorists converge on are the Jews. You can actually go to Holocaust Denial conferences in Iran where alt-right white nationalists and Muslim terrorist sympathizers drink tea and blame the Jews for everything.

I also hated the Neo-Cons long before there was a regressive left and alt-right. I don't really fit in with any of these people.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Obviously we'll disagree about the judge's actions in the article below. But whether she was right or wrong, it is still remarkable to have a judge helping anyone run from the cops. Judges absolutely detest ICE raids on their courtrooms.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/us/undocumented-immigrant-escapes-courtroom-trnd/
Judge scrutinized after undocumented immigrant escapes courtroom

 

[Bible_Belt]

Here's another article about the restaurant manager near me. The local police wrote letters to the judge supporting him, then the town bailed him out and gave him a ride home.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/...-reprieve.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Backed by Law Enforcement, Undocumented Immigrant Gets Reprieve
An immigration judge granted his release only hours before, during a hearing in Kansas City, Mo., noting that he had received a surprising array of supportive letters about Mr. Hernandez from leaders in West Frankfort, Ill., including the county prosecutor, deputy chief of police and a retired member of the Illinois State Police.

“You don’t typically see this kind of documentation,” the immigration judge, Justin W. Howard, said, adding that he had given “particular weight” to the backing from law enforcement officials.

In a phone call late Wednesday, during a two-hour ride from the detention center to his home in West Frankfort, Mr. Hernandez said he was relieved, tired and grateful.

The ride was in a vehicle lent by a West Frankfort car dealer. Donations had come in to help with the bond.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Real cops to ICE: "please stop impersonating us"

http://laist.com/2017/03/02/ice_detention.php

especially problematic about the situation is that the ICE officials who detained Avelica-Gonzalez were in unmarked cars, and they were wearing jackets that said "police." Last week, city leaders including Mayor Eric Garcetti released a letter urging ICE agents to stop identifying themselves as "police"—a practice that is officially legal.

"We have worked for decades in L.A. to build stronger trust between immigrant communities and law enforcement. Misleading practices like these undermine the good faith and spirit of cooperation that is so integral to our city's safety and security," Mayor Eric Garcetti said in a statement to LAist.

 

[Bible_Belt]

www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/03/06/travel-ban-do-over-our-view/98532130/

Travel Ban II, the sequel, has now been released.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Now that he talked to his lawyers first, Ban 2.0 is going to be a lot harder to challenge in court:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-legal-travelban-20170306-story.html
Trump's new travel ban will be harder to challenge in court, but critics say it still targets Muslims

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Trump's new travel ban will be harder to challenge in court, but critics say it still targets Muslims

Who'd you expect him to target, seventh day adventists?

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Cultural Relativism in spite of the fact that one religion commits 93% of the worldwide deaths caused by terrorism.

It is not a phobia when they really are trying to kill you.

 

[Bible_Belt]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...589242-03a3-11e7-b9fa-ed727b644a0b_story.html
Hawaii plans to sue to block new Trump travel ban

 

[Bible_Belt]

Here's an interview with my local restaurant manager who was on a show on CNN.

Van Jones speaks with an undocumented immigrant who could face deportation and a Trump voter who stood up for him.

 

[YawataNoKami]

Meanwhile in Germany:
Dusseldorf axe attacker: “Fatmir H,” Muslim from Kosovo — cops rule out “Islamic fundamentalist motive”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4298896/Terror-attack-feared-Dusseldorf.html

Hours later:

Second MACHETE attack in Dusseldorf hours after axe rampage at city station.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ete-attack-railway-station-attack-axe-Germany

 

[Bible_Belt]

Homeland Security is now conducting raids of any non-citizen reported to have guns. It just happened to a Chinese foreign exchange student in Indiana this week. He is a WW II re-enactor who collected military rifles. They raided him and stole all of his antique rifles...which they will now auction off and keep the money.

I'm the resident liberal on sosuave, especially on this thread's topic, but I believe in the 2nd Amendment. As soon as the government starts coming for anyone's guns, even if you don't like those people, it should still alarm you, because you might be next.

 

[Bible_Belt]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...y-trying-to-flee-to-wisconsin-judge-says.html

New Trump travel ban can't be enforced on Syrian family trying to flee to Wisconsin, judge says

 

[Bible_Belt]

Travel ban two point ohhhhhh...wait a minute, maybe not

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...d24636-090c-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html
Federal judge in Hawaii freezes President Trump’s new entry ban
A federal judge in Hawaii on Wednesday issued a sweeping freeze of President Trump’s new executive order hours before it would have temporarily barred the issuance of new visas to citizens of six Muslim-majority countries and suspended the admission of new refugees.


In a blistering 43-page opinion, U.S. District Judge Derrick K. Watson pointed to Trump’s own comments and those of his close advisers as evidence that his order was meant to discriminate against Muslims and declared there was a “strong likelihood of success” that those suing would prove the directive violated the Constitution.


Watson declared that “a reasonable, objective observer — enlightened by the specific historical context, contemporaneous public statements, and specific sequence of events leading to its issuance — would conclude that the Executive Order was issued with a purpose to disfavor a particular religion.”


He lambasted the government, in particular, for asserting that because the ban did not apply to all Muslims in the world, it could not be construed as discriminating against Muslims.


“The illogic of the Government’s contentions is palpable,” Watson wrote. “The notion that one can demonstrate animus toward any group of people only by targeting all of them at once is fundamentally flawed.”