Trump's Travel Ban

[Bible_Belt]

We have already covered this, but you dodge it and then repeat the same trash.

1. Where is the supporting evidence for your claims that these people pay in more than they recieve?
2. We don't have to keep her children, we can deport them as well. There is no reason to separate the family like that.

#2 represents your infantile understanding of the Constitution. I'm tired of stooping to your level

And regarding #1, do you know any brown people? Somehow I doubt it. I worked in financial services for several years in Florida and dealt with a lot of poor people, everything from insurance to retirement to mortgages. A lot of people trusted me with reviewing their finances, and all I ever saw was bad choices, especially from minorities. Typically they worked hard and got raped out of their paycheck immediately. A lot of that did go to voluntary tax items like booze/cigs/lotto and what was left usually went to interest on debt. They are good slaves to the banking industry just like the rest of us. They support car title loans and pay check advance places that charge loan shark interest. The money they make gets pumped right back into our economy. Some of them work for a lifetime paying 7% tax into social security, which they are ineligible to draw.

Anyone working is good for an economy, legal or illegal. It's the same dollar that gets spent after being earned.

 

[Bible_Belt]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-and-nearly-deports-french-jewish-historian/
U.S. detains and nearly deports French Holocaust historian

“It is now necessary to deal with the utmost arbitrariness and incompetence on the other side of the Atlantic,” Rousso wrote Sunday in the French edition of the Huffington Post. “What I know, in loving this country forever, is that the United States is no longer quite the United States.”

 

[Bible_Belt]

1. Washington Post fake news.

They say the North Koreans are not mentally capable of dissent against the government, because their minds have been so well manipulated for so long. Trumpers are not much different. That's why Trump can lie constantly. The moronic masses don't care about truth. They care about making America hate again.

Google news cites 46,000 sources for this story: https://news.google.com/news/story?...ved=0ahUKEwi4m7vI4rDSAhVn44MKHau6C-0QqgIIKDAA

I guess they're all fake, right? Any news that makes our Great Orange Leader look bad is obviously fake. All hail Great Leader!!!

 

[Bible_Belt]

My small town story that I posted a few days ago is now in the NY Times. Is West Frankfort a fake town? Is La Fiesta a fake restaurant? The conspiracy deepens!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/27/us/immigration-trump-illinois-juan-pacheco.html?_r=0

WEST FRANKFORT, Ill. — Ask residents of this coal-mining crossroads about President Trump’s decision to crack down on undocumented immigrants and most offer no protest. Mr. Trump, who easily won this mostly white southern Illinois county, is doing what he promised, they say. As Terry Chambers, a barber on Main Street, put it, the president simply wants “to get rid of the bad eggs.”

But then they took Carlos.

Juan Carlos Hernandez Pacheco — just Carlos to the people of West Frankfort — has been the manager of La Fiesta, a Mexican restaurant in this city of 8,000, for a decade. Yes, he always greeted people warmly at the cheerfully decorated restaurant, known for its beef and chicken fajitas. And, yes, he knew their children by name. But people here tick off more things they know Carlos for.

How one night last fall, when the Fire Department was battling a two-alarm blaze, Mr. Hernandez suddenly appeared with meals for the firefighters. How he hosted a Law Enforcement Appreciation Day at the restaurant last summer as police officers were facing criticism around the country. How he took part in just about every community committee or charity effort — the Rotary Club, cancer fund-raisers, cleanup days, even scholarships for the Redbirds, the high school sports teams, which are the pride of this city.

“I think people need to do things the right way, follow the rules and obey the laws, and I firmly believe in that,” said Lori Barron, the owner of Lori’s Hair A’Fairs, a beauty salon. “But in the case of Carlos, I think he may have done more for the people here than this place has ever given him. I think it’s absolutely terrible that he could be taken away.”


On Feb. 9, Mr. Hernandez, 38, was arrested by federal immigration agents near his home, not far from La Fiesta, and taken to a detention facility in Missouri. The federal authorities confirmed that he remained in custody, but would not comment on the precise reason for or timing of his arrest.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Didn't Bible say a joke about deporting robots for being brown?

The definition of race baiting. Trumps clearly never said anything remotely close.

If Trump only has one deportation left in him, who do you think he's deporting between a white Muslim immigrant from Australia or a brown Hindu from India?

Religious profiling is reasonable if the religion in question is a deathcult. Virtue signaling your non racism towards brown people doesn't change that.

 

[Bible_Belt]

EXACTLY, biblebelt. how can you trust the media? It's fvcking bullsh!t.

Great Orange Leader's power so great! He beam thoughts straight into your head! Tell you what to think! Great Leader so powerful!!!

 

[Bible_Belt]

The definition of race baiting. Trumps clearly never said anything remotely close.

Of course! Billionaires are never racist! How could anyone ever suggest such a thing? Ridiculous!

 

[BlueAlpha1]

You seem to be having a breakdown, Bible. This is a scandalous series of diversions, strawmanning, and pettifogging. Very unlike you too. Your humor is not helping you recover in this debate.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Danger, we probably agree that we should pay very little attention to Hindu and Buddhist immigration and their activity at the airports. You're actually more likely to see a rogue Christian like Anders Brevik go crazy than to find a Buddhist terrorist, which is almost an oxymoron. So I believe we actually should profile white Christian males more than brown men from Burma in Buddhist robes.

...But you should profile Muslims of any color far more than both of them.

How that makes you an anti-brown racist is anybody's guess.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Well when you get elected emperor, you can do things however you like. But as long as we still follow the court's interpretation of the Constitution...you know, like in that oath we make the president take...then it does not matter what race or religion you think it is a good idea to pick on, because doing so is unconstitutional. You might as well be having some arcane argument about Star Wars spaceships, or something else completely disconnected from reality.

 

[Trunks]

Personally I think a lot of problems could be solved if we stopped fukking around in these Middle Eastern countries. It's not a justification for terrorism, but these stupid politicians (Trump and Obama included) don't seem to understand the concept of blowback.

This.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

This.

No, not that. You've been listening to a little too much Ron Paul, "Dr" Jill Stein, and the borderline conspiracy theorist "independents"

Talk to the citizens of Amsterdam, Brussels, or Mumbai about "blowback".

Are Holland, Belgium, and India interventionist, neocon aggressor nations? When ISIS in Algeria points the knife at Rome and says we will not stop until we overthrow the Vatican, is that just those dang "Islamophobes" in Italy getting themselves targeted again?

This virtue signaling and "blame America first" is psychotic and is going to get us all killed.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Well when you get elected emperor, you can do things however you like. But as long as we still follow the court's interpretation of the Constitution...you know, like in that oath we make the president take...then it does not matter what race or religion you think it is a good idea to pick on, because doing so is unconstitutional. You might as well be having some arcane argument about Star Wars spaceships, or something else completely disconnected from reality.

Very bizarre interpretation of the Constitution. The first amendment says the government can't establish a religion, or prohibit citizens from practicing their own. It says nothing about immigration or enhanced screening at the airport when one religion happens to commit over 90% of the terrorism being done. And making Muslims a little uncomfortable at customs or the airport doesn't prohibit them from practicing their religion.

The onus is on moderate Muslims to get their religion together, not on us to be virtue signaling pacifists. No matter how hard you try with this tolerance gimmick, they're never going to love you. They're gonna laugh at this weakness. And no, "not all". Just the tens of millions who want to kill you.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Scary thought of the day:

Even if only 2% of the Muslim world are either terrorists or are sympathetic to the cause, that's still 32 million people.

Of course, 2% is wishful thinking at best. In some Muslim countries support for Sharia and suicide bombing is close to 100%. In some countries they won't even allow the polling to be done.

Even scarier thought of the day:

If 80% of the Muslim world are "moderate", and 20% are terrorists or are sympathetic, that's 320 million people.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Those countries aren't the US so I don't care what their policies are. I don't know why you quoted the words "Islamophobes" and "blame America first" when I did not say them. But if you're saying that terrorism is a fact of life regardless of a country's foreign policy, then I agree with you. In that sense, we are wasting our time with nation-building and other neocon nonsense.

The point is that the "blowback" argument is typically meant to imply that America always "has it coming" because of our misadventures in the Middle East. But I just proved to you that 3 non-interventionist countries have been targets of radical Islamic terrorism in recent memory, and there are more examples.

These people want to kill you whether you are really nice (Germany) or really mean (USA) to them. Thus, the "blowback" principle really doesn't hold a lot of water. If we pulled every troop out of the middle east and gave them a trillion dollars to rebuild their nations, they'd still attack us ceaselessly. Violence and conquest is inherent in their religion.

Are you living your life every day scared of strangers? You should be more scared of heart disease.

You've almost got it, bro. You've got one foot in the door of reality and one foot in the door of virtue signaling, regressive leftism.

I've debated a lot of people on this topic and the talking points are always the same on your side, and this is one of them.

"Are you living your life every day scared of strangers? You should be more scared of heart disease."

Translation: "Don't worry about Problem A, because Problem B also exists."

Another flimsy argument similar to "Not all brown people are bad, wacist!"
Translation: "Look how tolerant I am!!!!!!"

So until terrorism is the #1 cause of death in the country we should turn a blind eye to it? No thanks chief. I can worry about heart disease and terrorism at the same time.

 

[Trunks]

No, not that. You've been listening to a little too much Ron Paul, "Dr" Jill Stein, and the borderline conspiracy theorist "independents"

Talk to the citizens of Amsterdam, Brussels, or Mumbai about "blowback".

Are Holland, Belgium, and India interventionist, neocon aggressor nations? When ISIS in Algeria points the knife at Rome and says we will not stop until we overthrow the Vatican, is that just those dang "Islamophobes" in Italy getting themselves targeted again?

This virtue signaling and "blame America first" is psychotic and is going to get us all killed.

Holland and Belgium are US allies and NATO members, so some of that could be spilled-over blowback... but if your point is that Muslim terrorism can occur unprovoked, I do not disagree. That doesn't mean blowback isn't real, it simply amplifies the frequency/intensity of terrorist attacks.

 

[Trunks]

If we pulled every troop out of the middle east and gave them a trillion dollars to rebuild their nations, they'd still attack us ceaselessly. Violence and conquest is inherent in their religion.

Leaving them alone includes not giving them any aid or money.

 

[Bible_Belt]

They're not exactly thrilled about the way we militarily prop up Israel, either.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Another damn illegal immigrant stealing an American job:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/...u-to-jury-ate-fake-passport-on-way-to-us.html
Chicago White Sox's Jose Abreu to jury: I ate fake passport on way to US

 

[BlueAlpha1]

They're not exactly thrilled about the way we militarily prop up Israel, either.

Right on cue, bring up the Jews. Mhm, "Zionism" is the reason the threat of radical Islamic terrorism is growing here...and in Belgium, and Amsterdam, and Paris, and Sydney, and Kashmir...

How dare those 7 million Jews want to exist among 250 million Arabs, and on a microscopic part of "their land" no less!?