Who Dares Win said:
Some leftist women are non significant to mainstream culture, nor your cousin or my uncle.
And if is considered in courts that men are unable to properly deal with kids there shouldnt be no proposal or pressure to push men into feminine duties regarding children, it doesnt make any sense.
Agree on here of course.
Feminine duties? Meh....look...child raising is child raising. Thats how I see it.
There is not a "white society", I can tell you with total certainity that the average white man count on government choice as much as you do, nothing.
You and I have the same non significant way on the choice done from riches,media or politicians.
The white men is considered accountable for things he probably could even know how they were working, no different than the slavery topic, its not that the white men owned slave...its that the rich people owned slaves,those same whose grand nephews are on tv talking about that new law to make society "fair".
Yes there is such a thing as white society. Just like there is latino society and black society. The dominant figures in a society dictate the norms and views. Hence why I said those stereotypes were created by whites, because its true.
And it wasnt about rich people owning slaves...slavery was very much racial in America...so lets not even get into that discussion because your ignorance will shine through on that topic.
Economic and cultural lines were drawn in the sand based on race in this country back in the day. To pretend race had nothing to do with it, and that it was simply a money issue, is to ignore factual American history. African Americans werent even seen as citizens way back in the day...so it wasnt a rich vs everyone else thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford
Look at this Supreme Court case from back in the day. That right there shows you the lines in the sand were about race, not class
Yeah discrimination exist, try to be a guy in a club queue and see how many girls pass right in front of you, are we gonna make some special law?
Wow...ignorance at its finest.
You really want to compare racial, gender, religious, and other forms of discrimination that affects quality life to the fact that some dudes get passed over for sex? Really. Thats just idiotic.
Some people in power discriminate also against ugly people,short people,fat people and also simply uncool people or straight people if they are gay(many movie director or stilists example),there are also companies who brag about being totally feminine or totally black and nobody complain.
Gay owner hiring other gays only or feminists hiring only women etc, all of that percetly legal(not that I mind since I believe in freedom of association).
I love your logic..."well they do it too" Sounds childish. Where are your facts to back up your assertions? Where is the historical evidence of this discrimination if its on par with the forms of discrimination Ive talked about? And last I checked those groups you mentioned dont wield the vast majority of power in this country...so in what way are you proving anything Ive said wrong?
I bet any money you want that a good looking black woman face much less discrimination of an average middle aged guy.
I think,no wait Im sure that the discrimination card is used and abused from those who have no ability or right to get a job that gets it anyway through those political games.
Then please provide a study to back this assertion up. Because studies do exist that show whites get callbacks more often than minorities when it comes to the professional world. And these are equally qualified applicants. If you want to have a true debate as well, I can provide sociological studies in my next post.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-575685.html
Explain that article. Then explain to me why when my Asian American friends anglicized their names on their resume, that their callbacks increased. Im sure discrimination cant explain why they received less callbacks using their given names
Im sure the middle aged white guy with more experience will get a job over a good looking young black woman. His experience would put him head and shoulders above her anyways.
And its funny how people like you will simply assume anytime a minority feels discriminated against, that it must be unfounded. As I said before, denial that discrimination exist has become the new discrimination. And it only perpetuates the problems that exist.
Youre the kind of person that simply assumes anytime a black, asian, woman, or latino get somewhere, that it must be because of the race card and god forbid its actually based on their merits. Youre accusations say just that.
This stuff doesnt damage the work field only but it damage even more those who are good enough among minorities to deserve a job with no crappy unfair law.
Those people walk everyday realizing that nobody will recognize their worth cause someone similar to them actually stole that position in past.
Crappy unfair law? Do you know why these laws are in place? Rights laws are in place for various groups of people, so these people can actually get the same opportunities as everyone else. If discrimination wasnt a present reality, they wouldnt be needed.
You wanna tell me discrimination would go down if rights legislation wasnt in place? Really? Discrimination exists even with those laws in place...so how would getting rid of them make things better for marginalized groups? Tell me what solution you have to ensure blacks, muslims, latinos, women, gay and lesbians, etc, arent discriminated against if we get rid of certain laws. Please tell me youre grand plan.
People get discriminate thats true and Im sure much people got because of race and sex but nowhere the amount the pc crew say, I find very hard to believe that a job owner would not hire someone capable of making him even more rich simply because of his race or sex.
Nowhere near the amount people say? Why because you dont perceive it as true? Because you want to arrogantly discount the personal experiences of others? Unless youve lived life as a minority you have no idea what their lives are like.
Im a straight male, and I wouldnt dare minimize or dismiss the experiences a woman or gay man faces. Im smart enough to know I do get some privileges afforded to me based on my orientation and gender. You wanna think those privileges dont exist? Let me tell you about a homophobic guy I used to know. Hes a manager at a mid sized company.
He doesnt show it when he goes to work, but he did when he was around his friends. You think a gay professional would be able to professionally network with him the way Id be able to if he knew the guy was gay? No he wouldnt be able to network with my buddy...and that right there is an example of one of my privileges. Not having to worry about over masculine douche bags in the professional world. And considering most people in power are straight men, I have an advantage of gay men and women because I can easily join the tough boys club.
So despite what you want to tell yourself, people will discriminate based on race or sex, especially if they feel theres enough folks in the swimming pool to choose from. Theyll feel they can find who they want and that forgoing an applicant in favor of another one wont hurt their bottom line. It exists out there.
And most of all if there are laws to protect a certain group,why there are not to protect the other ones? is that some "positive" discrimination?
Dont expect people to believe this bvll**** if there is a legal discrimination against them.
All said with no hard feelings since the responsbile of this sh1t are rich white politicians ready to sell their mothers to get votes or people who is scum as them as those named before representing the "collectivity" of certain groups.
The laws are in place to protect minorities and women because they dont hold the power. White men hold the vast majority of power in this nation..so what protections do they need from discrimination really? Are you really trying to say white men face the same exact battles as everyone else....because I assure you that is false. There as laws to protect everyone, but there are extra laws to make sure the majority wont screw over minorities or women. There are extra laws to ensure those with less power overall in the nation, wont have their progress impeded by discrimination.
And keep blaming rich white people all you want....but there are tons of middle class professionals who discriminate as well.
I repeat the important concept, there is no such things as "white society", there is some thing as "elitè" that has no color apart GREEN, so busting ball to the average white man make no sense at all,its like throwing a boot to a mute dog because a lion roaring somewhere else awaked you.
If there is no such thing as white society...explain why out of the thousands of tv channels that exist, about 90% of them cater to the 65% white population. Explain how most home ownership, wealth, political power, etc is consolidated disproportionately into the white majority. Western societies are largely white societies dude. No matter how much you try to deny it.
Btw, Ive had average white men act prejudiced to me and my friends before....so its not like its simply rich people doing it. Or are you going to tell me im imagining my experiences? Because itd be easy for you to say that when you dont live the same life some other people have to based on how they look.
