Danger said:
Your insults might mean something, if perhaps you could point me to what country was selling white slaves that the US refused to purchase?
Again, slavery and racism are two entirely separate concepts. Either can exist without the other and they in fact did.
I was asked for references, I cited them. It is easy to see that both existed separate from one another at that time. There were black slave-owners,and there were very successful black businessmen during the time of slavery. One who even had honors erected in the city in his favor.
So please, again, someone tell me how slavery was completely about racism in the face of the evidence I have provided?
It wasn't. It was about property (with slavery considered a raw material). That is not to say racism didn't exist, because it certainly did. But only a fkn idiot can not see there is a difference between racism and slavery, they do not have to be coincident, and that racism is not a prerequisite for slavery.
Firstly, FairShake was attacking the point, not you. If you werent so emotionally connected to your viewpoint you would not see what he said as an insult. He called the point dumb, not you.
Secondly, you seem to still be having trouble grasping what he and I have said.
Racism and slavery are two different concepts, but racism was used as an excuse and a reason for enslaving mainly blacks in America. Like FairShake said, if it wasnt about color and more about the money, then there would have been far greater numbers of white and native american slaves. But the fact of the matter is that the VAST majority of slaves were African.
Americans chose to enslave blacks...they chose to sail ships across the ocean and bring over blacks even though there were plenty of white people and native americans to enslave. Why is this? Can you explain why almost all chattel slaves were black? It was racism. Whites felt that white people and natives were above chattel...they felt black were subhumans of the lowest form and used that thinking to rationalize the use of blacks as chattel.
You have yet to give any of us here a good reason as to why those in power did not use whites and native americans as chattel in the way they used blacks. Please explain this. Why send people across the seas for black slaves when theres plenty of other people in America already?
The only evidence you provided was that a few non black slaves existed...and that does nothing to disprove my points. So answer my questions finally. Blacks were considered property, as well as their families...aka chattel. Why did this sort of treat not happen the same way to a large number of whites or native americans?
Only a fvking idiot cannot see that the racial makeup of the chattel population was because of racism. Only a fvking idiot cannot see that blacks were enslaved and not native americans, because of racism. Hence, chattel slavery of Africans was based on racism.
If slavery wasnt about racism, then many, many, whites would have been chattel. But they werent.
Danger said:
Even today, we are filled with racism, it is just invisible to people who do not have eyes.
Hell, citing diversity (which is so very common today) is the very epitome of racism. It implies that blacks have "black ideas", that whites have "white ideas", etc,.....Really, what could be more racist than that?
But again, that does not mean slavery was completely a product of racism. Black slaves were the vast majority of slaves on the market, so they were the slaves purchased. They were not enslaved due to racism, they were not bought due to racism. They were property which were captured and enslaved and then sold into a market that was looking for slaves. Blacks bought them even.
Were the vikings racist? They had white slaves.
Were the chinese racist when they enslaved their own people?
Were the african tribes that enslaved their defeated foes racist?
It may be a good idea to do some extensive research on slavery in history before throwing out statements like "slavery was all about racism".
You try and divert the convo onto other regions of the world when we here are talking about America. If one group of people enslave another group of people on the basis of their race, then that is racist. So if Africans enslaved other africans because they were black, then that would be racist...but Africans didnt enslave other blacks because of that. They enslaved them because they conquered those people in war.
If American slavery was not about racism then blacks wouldnt have been the only ones sought after. Blacks werent slaves just because blacks were brought here as slaves...the reason blacks were slaves had to do with what racists back in the day thought about blacks.
They brought them over in ships instead of saving money and capturing whites and natives because they felt blacks were mentally inferior and physically made to do all the labor. They felt blacks were subhuman and thus justified enslaving blacks on that basis. Racists of the old day felt whites were too good to be chattel. And they felt native americans were too good for it also. If slavery wasnt chiefly about racism, why give natives their own land? Why not just enslave them? Why waste monetary and human resources by going on trips across the world for black slaves?
Blacks were sold into the market because of racism. If slavery was simply about free market and making cash, then there would have been plenty of documented white and native chattel.
All of the racist thinking that whites of the past had regarding blacks is well documented. So its not hard for most people to see the relationship between racism and slavery. Just like theres enough evidence about Hitlers hate for the jews, that one cannot say the Holocaust was simply about killing non aryans.
