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[woods]

What are everyones thoughts about being straightup about this stuff? Like, If she tells you she wants to be taken out, say; "Tell you what. I'll buy BREAKFAST tomorrow, if you're worth it." Obviously, HALF joking. This has worked for me before.

Or, say "I'll prove I'm not a jerk*, before expecting royal treatment for you, but you have to prove you're not a typical hor before I start doing a bunch of nice-guy things for you. And just as a token of faith... I'll buy breakfast tomorrow morning."


You guys think it's too much? It is being honest, fair and equal. But, on the other hand, girls aren't honest, fair or equal.

 

[Luveno]

Wow. This place is full of fools!

Preface:

Cordoncordon and a few others are giving advice that is, unfortunately, not good. I would recommend you disregard their ramblings, Dr.Meathead. Listening to their advice will wreak havoc on your peace-of-mind, and your pocketbook!

Now, where do I begin:

I remember I was in a relationship with a girl who was exactly like this. In the beginning she was all sweet, but after a while the demanding medusa showed her face.

When a girl makes demands of you to spend money on her, that proves to you that her perceived worth of your relationship is dictated by outside influences and trends. Why should you spend a lot of money on her? Is it because her friends have guys who do this and she wants it too? Is it because she's been told all of her life that women deserve this? Those are not good reasons because they are not unique to your relationship. Next thing you know she'll be whining about not getting an engagement ring when all of her friends are engaged. She does not consider what you do for her, but what you don't do.

If a girl is still talking to her ex, then that means she is a being that bases her actions on how they make her feel. She does not base actions on logic, on value, or on honor, but on emotion. This is never a good sign, because she will eventually cheat or branch-swing because doing so makes her feel better than when she's with you.

...women are like children, indeed.

A woman who tells you she is not ready for commitment but does not want you to date other people exposes her intent to branch swing. She wants you to be waiting like a lap-dog for her to make a decision about whether to keep you or not. Nothing makes a woman feel uglier than being second-in-line, hence her demanding of you to remain monogamous.

From what you've said, her interest level in you is very low. Once this happens, it is near-impossible to increase it while within the relationship.

Cut her off and find someone else.

Finally, her demand of you to text her every morning...that to me sounds like she has an abandonment complex. Does this girl have daddy issues? Did her dad abuse her or leave her at an early age?

 

[Mr. Me]

When a girl makes demands of you to spend money on her,

Her request for a nice dinner date and that he pick her up and such is NOT a demand that he spend $$$ on her. It will cost some money to do that, yes, though it need not be a lavish amount, but in any event that's NOT what her request is really about.

From what you've said, her interest level in you is very low.

I get that it's quite the opposite because she's obviously interested in pursuing him, yet also trying to bluff her intent so as not to scare him away.

 

[drmeathead]

wow thanks for all the feedback...ill try to touch on some of the questions asked...

first i treat this girl like a lady everytime out...ive bought the drinks both times when we were out for drinks. i came to meet her at the bars by her house so she didnt have to travel, as per her request. i held the door for her. we had conversation and laughs.

i did call her the morning after i ****ed her on the first date to make sure she was up for work and didnt over sleep. she didnt answer her phone. i invited her to come to a dinner with me at an upper end steak house, she declined as she HAD to stay at work for a job that she, according her, set her own hours for.

as far as the commitment thing goes...i dont want to be tied down to anyone one woman. i told her that. she doest want commitment but doesnt want me with anyone else. my personal thoughts are she wants to be free to flirt/hookup guilt free when on the road for business, she is ****ing the boss, or wants the freedom to **** the ex if it comes up. i agree that she wants to have the out of no commitment so that there are no "justified" objections on my end. she stuff about the working out, the grandmother, and traveling for business was just her way of telling me she leads a busy life and isnt going to be obligated doing anything she doesnt want to do. TRANSLATION i will come second or will need to assist her in the things she wants to do and after she and her interests are taken care of i am free to live my life.

the texting thing is a pain in the ass. girls want to be called up in the middle of the day to look like celebrities. they are important because they are getting calls. if it was a serious girlfriend sure, but after two dates for drinks to expect these calls/texts is a little much. i work too much to be sending texts in between patients (giggle giggle)

i dont know if mentioned this before or not...i called my ex a goddamn ******* because i told this girl that i didnt speak to my ex and that goddamn ******* lives up stairs. she told me not to use those words. she told me that i am not to refer to anyone as a goddamn *******, that i am too classy of a gentleman. RED FLAG game over.

hope i got everyone s questions?

 

[cordoncordon]

wow thanks for all the feedback...ill try to touch on some of the questions asked...

first i treat this girl like a lady everytime out...ive bought the drinks both times when we were out for drinks. i came to meet her at the bars by her house so she didnt have to travel, as per her request. i held the door for her. we had conversation and laughs.

i did call her the morning after i ****ed her on the first date to make sure she was up for work and didnt over sleep. she didnt answer her phone. i invited her to come to a dinner with me at an upper end steak house, she declined as she HAD to stay at work for a job that she, according her, set her own hours for.

as far as the commitment thing goes...i dont want to be tied down to anyone one woman. i told her that. she doest want commitment but doesnt want me with anyone else. my personal thoughts are she wants to be free to flirt/hookup guilt free when on the road for business, she is ****ing the boss, or wants the freedom to **** the ex if it comes up. i agree that she wants to have the out of no commitment so that there are no "justified" objections on my end. she stuff about the working out, the grandmother, and traveling for business was just her way of telling me she leads a busy life and isnt going to be obligated doing anything she doesnt want to do. TRANSLATION i will come second or will need to assist her in the things she wants to do and after she and her interests are taken care of i am free to live my life.

the texting thing is a pain in the ass. girls want to be called up in the middle of the day to look like celebrities. they are important because they are getting calls. if it was a serious girlfriend sure, but after two dates for drinks to expect these calls/texts is a little much. i work too much to be sending texts in between patients (giggle giggle)

i dont know if mentioned this before or not...i called my ex a goddamn ******* because i told this girl that i didnt speak to my ex and that goddamn ******* lives up stairs. she told me not to use those words. she told me that i am not to refer to anyone as a goddamn *******, that i am too classy of a gentleman. RED FLAG game over.

hope i got everyone s questions?

Say what????

I'm still not totally clear on all of this but.....

Based on what I think you were saying, it sounds like you think you have treated her like a gentleman and that she is still saying "I want you to be committed to me, but I won't be to you". Is that the jist of it? Based off of your original post you made it sound like you just see her to Fvck her and don't do anything outside of that in the relationship.

IF what you are saying is completely true and IF how I am interpreting what you are saying is correct, then yes you have every right to just walk away.

 

[drmeathead]

Say what????

I'm still not totally clear on all of this but.....

Based on what I think you were saying, it sounds like you think you have treated her like a gentleman and that she is still saying "I want you to be committed to me, but I won't be to you". Is that the jist of it? Based off of your original post you made it sound like you just see her to Fvck her and don't do anything outside of that in the relationship.

IF what you are saying is completely true and IF how I am interpreting what you are saying is correct, then yes you have every right to just walk away.

she is SAYING she doesnt want a committment. however she doesnt want me dating anyone else. she has a whole laundry list of demands yet is bringing nothing to the table on her end other than the promise of sexing me.

 

[Phyzzle]

she doest want commitment but doesnt want me with anyone else.

So that's what she really said? Tell her, "all right, I'll commit to a monogamous relationship with you, but I fully intend to cheat on that relationship, so, fair warning."

 

[cordoncordon]

she is SAYING she doesnt want a committment. however she doesnt want me dating anyone else. she has a whole laundry list of demands yet is bringing nothing to the table on her end other than the promise of sexing me.

Ok then walk away. My first judgment was in error due to a lack of clear information about the subject matter at hand at this "juncture" in the space/time continuim.

 

[drmeathead]

yeah she is a clown. i told her i would call only to get her fairy princess ass off the phone and to prevent her from calling back.

 

[logic1]

Wow this place is full of fools

Please list the fools. I dont like to associate with fools. I need a heads up.

 

[Mr. Me]

Now I get that she was initially attracted to the chivalry, but you've done a few things that spoiled her hope that you're really that rarity women want: a true gent.

So now I re-think that her wanting you to be exclusive but not want a relationship is her wanting to hold onto you, just in case the flags she sees turn out to be glitches (but they're not), but she's not going to get into a relationship with you until she knows for sure. Or until something better comes along.

 

[drmeathead]

Now I get that she was initially attracted to the chivalry, but you've done a few things that spoiled her hope that you're really that rarity women want: a true gent.

So now I re-think that her wanting you to be exclusive but not want a relationship is her wanting to hold onto you, just in case the flags she sees turn out to be glitches (but they're not), but she's not going to get into a relationship with you until she knows for sure. Or until something better comes along.

what are you talking about glitches...with me? or her?

 

[Mr. Me]

The glitches she sees? This is a clue: "she told me that I am not to refer to anyone as a goddamn *******, that I am too classy of a gentleman" - which suggests to me that she's really wishing that you WERE a 'classy gentleman', despite your evident behavior to the contrary. Maybe more accurately, wishes you were CLASSIER. By saying what she said, she's indicating what kind of guy she'd like to be with.

I DON'T mean that offensively! Just pointing out facts. Apparently, you have a few rough edges. Alright... we're ALL at different levels of maturity here, you know? Not a crime. But we can't skirt issues here if we really mean to help each other. I trust you appreciate that.

I'm sure these less than beneficial character traits come across in other ways too. She sees it all, makes note of it. That's what women do, very well. That's why I think now she wants, but doesn't want. This leads to the "I don't think we're meant for each other" break up talk eventually. Either that, or a rocky relationship.

I figure, if you were the perfect gent, then she might not be so reluctant to commit. Make sense? But you're not, so she's hesitant and evaluating as you proceed. She's telling you what she'd like to see happen, because that's what she wants from you, but not getting. Some of what she wants is normal, some of it is her romantic notion. But in any event, it all, in most probability, demonstrates her interest in you.

It's like this guy I was talking to the other night. His GF has been "pressuring" (his words) him to get married. He sees that as a negative. I'm thinking, hey, that means she's probably crazy about you, because otherwise, chances are, she wouldn't be asking you when it's going to happen. They've been dating for two years. So to me, I think a woman wanting marriage after dating two years, or a woman wanting the guy to romance her with a "real date" are typical, normal signs that they're really interested. You, as the man, have to go real slow in order to make sure that it's about their interest/love for you, and that it's not about something else.

 

[jophil28]

-She doesnt want the responsibility or accountability of a commitment, but she wants to be treated with the little charms of a relationship. Good morning texts, phone calls to see how her day is going, dinner dates, etc. There is nothing wrong with those things per se, but you reserve them for worthy women.


I say the OP should bounce. Guru's point on IL is correct.

I agree with Colossus and Guru and others who see this woman as demanding and controlling.
Where is she talking about what SHE will CONTRIBUTE ?
I am old enough to remember a time (not so long ago ) when a woman would NEVER say this things or make these demands.. They are all loaded in her favor and require Dr Meat to fawn and worship her as if that was her ENTITLEMENT. Just another modern western woman in Nth America who believes the shyte that the Matrix and Feminism has offered her as gospel.

 

[drmeathead]

I agree with Colossus and Guru and others who see this woman as demanding and controlling.
Where is she talking about what SHE will CONTRIBUTE ?
I am old enough to remember a time (not so long ago ) when a woman would NEVER say this things or make these demands.. They are all loaded in her favor and require Dr Meat to fawn and worship her as if that was her ENTITLEMENT. Just another modern western woman in Nth America who believes the shyte that the Matrix and Feminism has offered her as gospel.

Colossus, Guru, and jophil....i agree 100 percent...she expects so much because, dammit, she is special and DESERVES it. her auntfathergrandmotherAFCbf told her so.

 

[Knight's Cross]

The view from my foxhole:
NEXT.
She's demanding the frame be her way. Not even asking, DEMANDING. Once a woman reaches that point, no matter what the reason, she is out.
She wants her cake, wants to eat it too, and is an AW to boot.
Dr. M. The Pu$$Y isn't worth it. Next her.

KC

 

[jophil28]

Colossus, Guru, and jophil....i agree 100 percent...she expects so much because, dammit, she is special and DESERVES it. her auntfathergrandmotherAFCbf told her so.

So Doc, what are you going to do about this woman?

Some of the replies here said that she has high IL and that she wants to be with you and probably that is true. However the way she is going about it is a guarantee that you ( or an self respecting man ,DJ or not ) will NEXT her.
So much for the empowered women of today and their 'entitled' attitude.

 

[drmeathead]

i am going to do nothing. i wont call her. unless she texts me for sex, she is dead to me. i wont even take a late night call as that could be to just talk. no man worth his salt would give in to that. maybe if it was a first girlfriend but not a man who realizes there are 3 billion other options in the world, literally. she can have a nice time being right and tell her cat just how deserving she is.

 

[drmeathead]

i am going to do nothing. i wont call her. unless she texts me for sex, she is dead to me. i wont even take a late night call as that could be to just talk. no man worth his salt would give in to that. maybe if it was a first girlfriend but not a man who realizes there are 3 billion other options in the world, literally. she can have a nice time being right and tell her cat just how deserving she is.

 

[Knight's Cross]

Dr. M, Good on ya. My thoughts were,"Let her become some other guys problem". You are right in nexting this AW, need a shoulder to lean on while she keeps her options open woman. That kind of entitled behavior is not what we condone here at SS. You knew that and took action.

I'd go a little farther. Don't even open the door for her pu$$y. Nice as it may have felt, you are opening a can of trouble with that one. Drop all contact. She will still think she has a chance at framing things if she can wield power with sex. The headache it brings isn't worth it.

Keep on the path, sarge on and find new plates that have high interest and VALUE in you.

KC