Tough Guy Fascade

[RichardTheFrog]

In a sense. The protectors of perimeters typically... Combatants, warriors, soldiers, etc are who represents alpha virtue in the purest sense. There are only 4 pure tactical alpha virtues of men. Strength, honor (as in trusting the man next to you in combat scenarios), mastery and courage. The rest of this bvll**** is metaphorical and would not exist without the first 4. Ppl say things like... Oh, treating others with dignity, honesty and fairness is alpha and metaphorically, to you it may be, but tell that to King Titus after Romulus stole their wives. As much as we like to call the 911 hijackers cowards, they displayed no less alpha virtue, than the flight 93 passengers. It was just expressed by groups of different religions and beliefs.

And even the protectors of our borders now often fly drones from 5000 miles away. Lol.

And even military personnel are accountable to civil law. They don't get special treatment in the court system.

 

[Macaframalama]

And even the protectors of our borders now often fly drones from 5000 miles away. Lol.

And even military personnel are accountable to civil law. They don't get special treatment in the court system.

True. We've relinquished our power to men who haven't a ****ing clue. They express their masculinity through intellectual means, without ever having skin in the game. Politicians, globalist corporations and monopolies, etc.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

There’s plenty of war veterans who AREN’T loud and extroverted though...

The thing with being loud about it and telling everyone that your tough is that you come off like how RichardTheFrog does. It’s like you want people’s approval of you, that you WANT them to think that you are tough. Why? Why do you need someone to tell you that you are? Because of what you went through? The people who’ve been through the most (and subsequently tend to be the toughest people) don’t go out talking like they are. It’s a state of being. Mike Tyson’s face doesn’t look as scary as Nick Diaz but boy oh boy, you bet your ass that I’d much rather be in the ring with Nick rather than Tyson. Plus, Iron Mike is actually a cool guy, but then when you see him on an interview where someone messes with him a bit or talks to him about something bothersome, you can tell that he is fighting the urge to beat their ass. Diaz still isn’t tough as a guy like Mike. Not buying it.

You're the one saying you're tough. I told you things I've been through that are most likely more than anything you have. Feel free to make stuff up if it makes you feel better to compare.

I don't think you understand how little I care about what you think. You are a kid.

I barely even talk to other guys, let alone try to act tough.

 

[dustmuffin]

theres too many examples of guys who are not the "quiet, serious type" of tough guys to believe that.

take a war veteran for example. you think he was the quiet reserved type when hes in theatre, in a combat envrionment? pretty sure soldiers/marines are trained to be anything BUT quiet.
now take the same guy and put him in the civilian world. does he need to display that same demeanor in this context? no. but you can still tell by looking at his face and the way he carries himself if hes confident and whether hes likely capable of some serious shlt if he needs to be.

no different with very extroverted guys.

nate and nick diaz are loud and overt in their world. youre gonna tell me theyre fake tough guys?
if i didnt know who they were and they walked into the same bar im in, id know right away they could handle themselves.

theres no correlation with confidence/toughness and whether a guy is quiet or overt

I would say they are showmen. Look at Mohammad Ali. Always talking sh it to drum up excitement. Many tough guys that are in the lime light talk s hit. It makes the fans excited and interested in their bout.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I would say they are showmen. Look at Mohammad Ali. Always talking sh it to drum up excitement. Many tough guys that are in the lime light talk s hit. It makes the fans excited and interested in their bout.

But Ali too wimpy to go to Vietnam?

I know bums who fought in Vietnam. Are they tougher than Ali? I guess so.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

no. some guys in the spotlight are showman. other guys just display what they really are.

i used the diaz brothers as an example because they arent as widely known as other guys like ali or tyson. mma fighters get paid crumbs for their fights, theres no advatnage to them trying to get publicity or entertain. thats really who they are.

again, the point being that saying something like its "mostly the quiet guys are the ones to watch out for" is a fallacy.

Can you picture Mike Tyson storming the beaches of Normandy? I can't.

Boxing is just a game compared to what's real.

I've even heard people that do MMA tell me they avoid street fights because they don't know who might have a weapon.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Another reason to avoid street and bar fights is that when you get arrested and the judge finds out you are a real fighter, they throw the book at you in terms of your punishment. The DA will say "this man is a trained killer and a danger to society." I have seen it happen to my friends.

Just this week, I was in a bar with two very obnoxious guys who both needed their asses kicked, and I just looked past it. They were so drunk that they could barely stand up. There's no honor in beating someone like that, even two on one. Hell, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and just assume that they are having a bad drunk kind of night, and they are not really like that when sober. I avoid fights out of fear, but it is fear of what will happen to the other guy, which will end up causing trouble for me.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I can. Athletes are basically the warriors of our time. Does that mean that every single athlete would be a highly successful hunter in our hunter gatherer past? Of course not. There's other things to take into account, but they'd be at an advantage. They'd have been successful at hunting and fighting.

Guess what? Do you know how predator cubs and young learn to hunt and fight? By play fightin with their siblings.

I box and don't get into street fights for the same reason. It's because you know what actual fighting is like and what can happen that that you avoid it. But boxing and combat sports ain't no game. If you think it a game, I invite you to try it for yourself

Athletes are not warriors. Athletes are playing a game. Many of them are big babies. There is no risk of death in a basketball game. There is a higher risk of death driving on the highway. I definitely do not respect NBA players, and all the people that do are stupid.

And I invite you to break your neck and back in a car crash.

 

[ubercat]

Good training makes you cold not tough. Anytime I see potential trouble all I'm thinking about is obstacles escape paths angles potential weapons and who's going to join in. Doesn't matter if the guy coming at me is a psycho or just a Friday night drunk it will go through the same triage. That's why I like the angles of attack system from the Filipino martial arts.

And of course I haven't been in a fight for many many years because I see it coming and avoid instinctively. I keep training because I can't run as fast as the young guys now

 

[RichardTheFrog]

you absolutely miss the point.

nba players dont care if you respect them or not. theyd still mop the floor with you in any physical activity or fighting (unless youre a trained fighter or elite athlete yourself)

thats the point

i dont see how you can draw a comparison between combat sports and getting into an accident lol

a buddy of mine has gotten into multiple accidents. one time he completely flipped his car and smashed it into a lamp post. he busted his sternum and all that.

that doesnt make him a warrior or tough guy. that makes him a fvcking idiot that doesnt know how to act when hes drunk

Why would you waste so much of your time training to "fight" when it doesn't even protect you? If somebody wanted to hurt you, they would use a weapon.

Whether you realize it or not, the police protect you way more than you protect yourself.

I don't give a crap about any crybaby professional athletes.

Do you think we fought Isis or Hitler in a MMA cage? Sounds like a complete waste of time.

Also, a broken sternum is not a serious injury.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

just stop

No YOU just stop, little kid.

You're not a tough guy.

You think you would beat everyone up in prison. Wrong!

You would sit down and shut the fvck up just like everyone else.

You are not an alpha male. You're a delusional kid.

Who probably makes less than $40k/year. Your little cute little MMA nonsense is just a GAME. Not real. Not serious.

If you ever were to attack someone and give them the right to defend themself, it just might be the last day of your life.

You're so tough? Go walk around by yourself on a dangerous street at 3AM, little pu$$y boy.

YOU DO NOT KNOW SH1T ABOUT ANYTHING.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

skipping your meds is not good man

You're just babbling nonsense now because you know I'm right.

Btw, congratulations on being the 3,000,000th best MMA fighter in the world! You're moving up!

 

[doctor1996]

No YOU just stop, little kid.

You're not a tough guy.

You think you would beat everyone up in prison. Wrong!

You would sit down and shut the fvck up just like everyone else.

You are not an alpha male. You're a delusional kid.

Who probably makes less than $40k/year. Your little cute little MMA nonsense is just a GAME. Not real. Not serious.

If you ever were to attack someone and give them the right to defend themself, it just might be the last day of your life.

You're so tough? Go walk around by yourself on a dangerous street at 3AM, little pu$$y boy.

YOU DO NOT KNOW SH1T ABOUT ANYTHING.

why are you so angry? Regardless, yeah I mean I wouldn't want to go down the ghetto at 3 a.m rolling around aimlessly in my car when I get approached by 3-4 individuals pulling up their shirt showing me their strapped gun with their beer bottles in their hand or what ever.. But midnight has a different point which you probably don't comprehend for some reason

 

[RichardTheFrog]

why are you so angry? Regardless, yeah I mean I wouldn't want to go down the ghetto at 3 a.m rolling around aimlessly in my car when I get approached by 3-4 individuals pulling up their shirt showing me their strapped gun with their beer bottles in their hand or what ever.. But midnight has a different point which you probably don't comprehend for some reason

I have been in the ghetto at 3am. I don't give a fvck about little midnight boys pu$$y fighting sh1t. I dare him to lay a finger on me.