To All The Niceguys: Have You Ever Been The Confident Jerk?

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If so, what caused your change? Did you like yourself? Did you go back to your nicegu ways?

Personally, the only time I was the confident jerk was when this one girl was sweating me hard. I basically used her to stroke my ego but burned her every chance I got. I didn't like what I was doing but it felt good not being the AFC for once. Right now, I would say that I'm not really a nice guy or the jerk, but I do miss those confident jerk days. Please share your experiences.
 

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I just think you should have a good balance. You can be a coc-ky basta-rd but at the same time be the nicest man in the world.... at least that's how I think of myself. Be a smartass with your words, but feel free to show your nice side with your actions every once in a while.
I actually used to be just a niceguy, but I wasn't pushover nice, I just treated women with respect and never pushed their buttons if you know what I mean. It only takes so long before a man learns that women aren't attracted to "nice." You know I have been described by hot women as "nice," and did they like me? Not in the romantic sense, no way. What happened when I started acting like a smartass, turning their words around on them, hinting at sex around them, teasing them, telling them I didn't want them? That caused attraction, duh.
So, in conclusion, I think you can be really nice (never pushover nice), but you have to be much more than just nice, as I described above. And yes, jerks get more women than nice guys usually.
 

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I noticed when I'm in a store and comfortable and act like an a-hole I get a lot more laughs from people but in the end they don't respect you. for being that way.
 

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No "niceguys" have ever been confident jerks.

"confident jerks" don't change. and its VERY hard for a nice guy to change.. i don't think a genuine nice guy will ever really have a bad streak.
 

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that's bullsh*t. being "nice" or "confident" or a "jerk" is not something that's an immutable part of your personality -- it's something that comes through in how you live your life. these aspects of your inner self are the result of CHOICES you make. it's a total copout to say that it's hard or impossible for a "nice" guy to become something different. anybody can do it.
 

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Originally posted by smoke city
that's bullsh*t. being "nice" or "confident" or a "jerk" is not something that's an immutable part of your personality -- it's something that comes through in how you live your life. these aspects of your inner self are the result of CHOICES you make. it's a total copout to say that it's hard or impossible for a "nice" guy to become something different. anybody can do it.
it has to do with your values/morals/attitude to life as the type of person you are.

a nice guy can be confident, for sure.

but a nice guy will have values/morals/attitude that tell him its unacceptable to do "jerk" things. so unless he is able to change his values/morals/attitude he is unable to do the jerk things without feeling remorse and disgust. Its difficult as these nice things have been imprinted into him since his brith..
 

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But here's the things with being jerky. You could be a jerk but not be serious about it. As in you're just acting it out. You don't exactly mean any harm. You're just being an ass and the people you're close with knows it. Or you could be a downright jerk. One that wants to cause hurt and put people down.

It's kinda like a girl calling you a jerk and then playfully hitting you, compared to one that calls you a jerk with a look of disgust and contempt.

So, a nice guy can always be considered a confident 'playful' jerk. Nice just doesn't go with the other kind of jerk.
 

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^^^^precisely

anyways, I've been a jerk my whole life, but then some changes in my life made me nice, I was LBJF'd and turned not just into a jerk but a true A-Hole when I want to be and guess what....life hasnt been better as far as women go
 

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Originally posted by JonJack
But here's the things with being jerky. You could be a jerk but not be serious about it. As in you're just acting it out. You don't exactly mean any harm. You're just being an ass and the people you're close with knows it. Or you could be a downright jerk. One that wants to cause hurt and put people down.

It's kinda like a girl calling you a jerk and then playfully hitting you, compared to one that calls you a jerk with a look of disgust and contempt.

So, a nice guy can always be considered a confident 'playful' jerk. Nice just doesn't go with the other kind of jerk.
considered and being are different..

a white guy can act like a black guy. does it make him a black guy? no.

a nice guy can act like a jerk. does it make him a jerk? no.

if you're playfully putting people down, you're not a jerk.. you're playful..

its very difficult to playfully call an obese person fat.
its very easy to call an obese person fat and be a jerk.
 

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I don't think anyone wants to know if a nice guy can be a crude jerk at the same time. Only because the answer to that is just too freakin obvious.

Maybe the word jerk just doesn't describe the type of character accurately. If there's gonna be variations of jerky-ness, from the playful jerk to the rude and crude jerk, then having a discussion on whether one can be nice and a jerk at the same time will go nowhere.

Come to think of it, this discussion IS going nowhere.
 

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Originally posted by JonJack
Come to think of it, this discussion IS going nowhere.
To true. :)

looking forward to our next debate.

"Red: Have you ever been Green?"
 

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My question was not really a matter of debate, it was mainly a question of whether any nice guys here ever had the chance to play "against type" and become that jerk you secretly envied. The type of guy that you used to make the girl of your dreams cry as you served as her emotional tampon. The guy that made you wonder, "what does she see in that jerk?" That's all I'm really asking.
 

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Originally posted by Juan_Man
My question was not really a matter of debate, it was mainly a question of whether any nice guys here ever had the chance to play "against type" and become that jerk you secretly envied. The type of guy that you used to make the girl of your dreams cry as you served as her emotional tampon. The guy that made you wonder, "what does she see in that jerk?" That's all I'm really asking.
This discussion is still pointless. If you really must know, any guy can play whatever role they want with a girl. It's called acting. How convincing one does it is another issue altogether. So, isn't the answer to your question obvious?
 

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Originally posted by JonJack
This discussion is still pointless. If you really must know, any guy can play whatever role they want with a girl. It's called acting. How convincing one does it is another issue altogether. So, isn't the answer to your question obvious?
Okay, this is what I really want to know. Did you ever treat a girl like crap but got away with it because the girl was really into you? True, anyone can play the role of the jerk but did you get away with it due to the girl's attraction for you?

We've all seen guys who treated girls like crap but they still got the a$$, because the girls kept coming back. Did you ever get the chance to be the stud heartbreaker? Plus, most of us have been AFCs who worshipped the ground a girl walked on only to be heartbroken after being LJBFed. Did the table ever turn where you were the guy who just wanted to be friends and still got all the attention from the girl?
 

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I could never be a Jerk, i was a niceguy who turned into a man, who needs jerks when real men get all the puss.
 

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Originally posted by Juan_Man
Okay, this is what I really want to know. Did you ever treat a girl like crap but got away with it because the girl was really into you? True, anyone can play the role of the jerk but did you get away with it due to the girl's attraction for you?

We've all seen guys who treated girls like crap but they still got the a$$, because the girls kept coming back. Did you ever get the chance to be the stud heartbreaker? Plus, most of us have been AFCs who worshipped the ground a girl walked on only to be heartbroken after being LJBFed. Did the table ever turn where you were the guy who just wanted to be friends and still got all the attention from the girl?
That can very well happen. You could be a nice guy and all but if a tremendously annoying and ugly girl would to be hitting on you like crazy, I'm sure you will act a little jerky. Obviously the girl doesn't have to be annoying and butt ugly. It all depends on how interested she is in you. However, this seldom happens only because most people get the hint when someone is shrugging them off. If they don't get the hint, then you aren't being jerky enough. If you are being jerky enough and she still wants you, then you've got yourself a psycho, crazy, dependant, insecure bytch. Why would anyone want continued attention from a girl like that?
 

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There's this chick that I'm taking to the formal (prom), and we have been friends for over a year now. I've always wanted it to be more than friends. But have never achieved it, because I was always nice. She dated other guys and I was always in the dark.

However recently, for some reason I have been a real a-hole to her, and her IL has raised dramatically. Which is really odd to me. We laugh a lot more and conversation flows a lot smoother now, and kino has increased. But I still feel bad when I put her down. Because I remember what you guys always say about being ****y so I keep making fun of her. But its new waters for me, so sometimes I take it too far. Like today she approached me and I told her she looked short. Then she was all sad. :(
But I am learning.
 

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Originally posted by redbyte
There's this chick that I'm taking to the formal (prom), and we have been friends for over a year now. I've always wanted it to be more than friends. But have never achieved it, because I was always nice. She dated other guys and I was always in the dark.

However recently, for some reason I have been a real a-hole to her, and her IL has raised dramatically. Which is really odd to me. We laugh a lot more and conversation flows a lot smoother now, and kino has increased. But I still feel bad when I put her down. Because I remember what you guys always say about being ****y so I keep making fun of her. But its new waters for me, so sometimes I take it too far. Like today she approached me and I told her she looked short. Then she was all sad. :(
But I am learning.
She probably wasn't sad dude, and anyway you can never really tell how a woman is feeling just by looking at her. Deep inside she probably liked you even more. Telling a girl she is short is not insulting.... it is a joke. Aren't you glad you started acting coc-ky and treating her like you don't really want her? You done good. Keep it up.
 

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Originally posted by pimpfromdayone
She probably wasn't sad dude, and anyway you can never really tell how a woman is feeling just by looking at her. Deep inside she probably liked you even more. Telling a girl she is short is not insulting.... it is a joke. Aren't you glad you started acting coc-ky and treating her like you don't really want her? You done good. Keep it up.
redbyte, you did good, they arent sad at all, they just sigh at it because they want your validation. i dont think its about being a jerk or a nice guy.. But as long as you make fun of their insecurities things will usually slide your way. Which always seems to have worked for me in the past.

Anyway i think most girls have a lot of insecurities and low self esteem, the key is to using it agains them in a playful manner. If it's not in a playful manner, then yes you're considered an *******.

As for me, i used to be the non push over nice guy. Now im just me, somewhere in between jerk and nice guy.

It's funny and confusing really at the beginning, when ppl ask what kind of guy girls like....what's the usual response??

" I want a nice guy." ironic isnt it?

There's the NICE guy.
and then there's the nice guy...who has his **** together.
 

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Yeah, never take advice from a girl is rule #1. What they say they want is completely different most of the time from what they are actually attracted to. I have talked to girls about this, just for fun, and they get pis-sed sometimes when I tell them how we men are supposed to be dominant and in control of the relationship. I don't even bother arguing with them.... can't win those either, haha.

What they want, as it was posted on here in some other post, is a man who can crush them physically, intellectually, and emotionally, but at times be as gentle (some simile here I forgot).... that isn't the exact words, but you get the point. You basically have to DOMINATE. You should already be stronger than her physically (and of course they are attracted to physically strong men), and it is desirable to be smarter than her (although for some men this obviously isn't the case, lol), but if nothing else, you must be in control of your own emotions, and to a certain extent, hers.

A typical niceguy is respectful of women, afraid to touch them even, very accomodating to the women, and no matter what his real intentions are or how he just wants to be nice, it is likely that the woman will see him as weak, submissive, and at the worst, a pushover. Women don't want men they can control. I am telling you this because if you are nice to the extent where women control you and you don't do any of the controlling yourself, you're a nobody to them. I am a nice person, but I know that hot women require a little bit of attitude on my part before a.) they even notice me and b.) I get them to reframe their mind so that I am seen as equal or superior to them. Treating them nicely would not have much of an effect, especially since most nice guys are afraid to teasing. How much can you tease before being a jerk? I don't know.


There are many attractive qualities in jerks, and being nice has its value as well; find a balance.
 
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