To all the anti-marriage/women are evil crew

[sodbuster]

Most of the time men find out that her kids aren't his when it comes to medical proceedures. 2 type o's cant produce a blood type a. When the kid needs a donor and neither the "father" or mother are a match[HMM,whose DNA does the kid have?].The MAYO clinic in Rochester Mn has about a 15% rate of false paternity. Since the MAJORITY of their patients are middle class or above-where such behavior is not "respectable" they assume it is higher in the poorer classes-inner city,trailer parks, etc. I heard this at a medical/dental lecture held there FROM the MEDICAL STAFF PRESENTING THE LECTURE. NOT a belief I just made up.

70% of divorces ARE filed by women,do a search.

IF the facts are inconvienient and you don't want to learn the truth-go to love shack and you can find your intellectual equals there[their belief systems may be compatible with yours too]

 

[The Message Boy]

sodbuster now wait a minute, lets not get sidetracked here.

This thread is about addressing the group of members here on Sosuave who think for the most part that women are evil and non-trust worthy. See the title of the thread once again. Lets not get sidetracked by Harry's percentages which really do not to address the question as to WHY do majority of you guys think women are evil/non-trustworthy/lack value.

Women have just as much problems as men do. But it's just as unfair to beat up men as a gender as it is to beat up women.

The new social progressions of minorities and women to now have the same opportunities as white men have caused MANY people to become disturbed and demand that we go BACK to the way things was. And those disturbed groups stand up and preach that the way it WAS was the way it OUGHT TO BE, and the new social progressions are acts of evil or "the matrix."

When you can see the obvious flaws in their agrument.

When did this site go from helping men improve all areas of their life, to a site for indoctrination of the Men's Movement againt Women and Feminists?

If it's your decision to join the march against feminism that's your prerogative. But if a guy that likes to visit Sosuave for self-improvement in certain areas of his life like I do, does not wish to subscribe to the Men's Movement then that guy should not be demonized as a socialist or mangina.

Furthermore, if another person like me who contributes to this forum, decides to get into a constructive debate about the ideologies of the Men's Movement, we should debate the relevative facts and not the person behind the Screen Name.

 

[Tazman]

This thread is about addressing the group of members here on Sosuave who think for the most part that women are evil and non-trust worthy.

Since you stated you do believe men and women ARE different, in what ways are we different in your opinion?

Also, is this not a male oriented site? Why would the men who come here need to focus on the good things about women when that's the original attitude that brought them here to begin with?

Some of the men who are in this discussion are in good relationships with women they care about and trust, which from what you stated would make them hypocrites, right? Atleast the ones who disagree with you.

 

[LovelyLady]

Hello Sodbuster. I am assuming your post was directed to me,as you suggested Loveshack, which is a primarily female site. So, here is my response - I hope it clears things up for you a bit.

Most of the time men find out that her kids aren't his when it comes to medical proceedures. 2 type o's cant produce a blood type a. When the kid needs a donor and neither the "father" or mother are a match[HMM,whose DNA does the kid have?].The MAYO clinic in Rochester Mn has about a 15% rate of false paternity. Since the MAJORITY of their patients are middle class or above-where such behavior is not "respectable" they assume it is higher in the poorer classes-inner city,trailer parks, etc. I heard this at a medical/dental lecture held there FROM the MEDICAL STAFF PRESENTING THE LECTURE. NOT a belief I just made up.
Thank you for sharing that the percentage you were told about in a lecture at the Mayo Clinic was 15% and not 20%. That is very interesting to me.

70% of divorces ARE filed by women, do a search.
It would seem you are implying I disagreed with this statistic. If this is the case, perhaps you can take a moment to read what I wrote - I did not disagree with it.

IF the facts are inconvienient and you don't want to learn the truth-go to love shack and you can find your intellectual equals there[their belief systems may be compatible with yours too]

I have yet to find accurate facts to be inconvenient - how you would think otherwise is beyond me. Intellectual equality is not necessary, although I am always hopeful of having respectful interactions with people, even when our experiences, knowledge and/or belief systems may differ. I am well aware that not everyone functions from that paradigm, however.

 

[The Message Boy]

Tazman says,

Since you stated you do believe men and women ARE different, in what ways are we different in your opinion?

When I stated that it was more based upon present-day positions and power. Men have more wealth and more power than women do today as a collective whole. Men also have more historical contributions and successes. Men also have more physical power than women as a collective whole.

Tazman says,

Also, is this not a male oriented site? Why would the men who come here need to focus on the good things about women when that's the original attitude that brought them here to begin with?

In my opinion, if a guy came here as a result of having problems with women, it's NOT because he thought women were good that he was having problems, but instead it's because he didn't know how to turn women on.

There's no extremes, you don't have to be a jerk to turn women on while on the flipside, you don't have to be a nice guy to turn them on either. You can remain loving and continue to cherish women WHILE holding onto the natural things that turn them on and continue to have success. Matter of fact I would argue, it's NOT the jerks or tough guys that get MOST of the girls, the guys that get MOST of the girls are those that have found a way to remain loving or "nice" while at the same time creating intense ATTRACTION in the woman.

I am also firmly against the "rich debate" around here, with guys saying the guys that get all the women are the rich guys. Less than 5% of the entire POPULATION in the country makes over $100,000 a year and the birth rates are not decreasing. In other words, there's just NOT enough rich guys to go around to **** all the women. So that argument doesn't make sense either. Furthermore, IF a woman is with you because of the strength of your financial balance sheets, if you go broke does she then leave? Did she ever like YOU AS A PERSON anyway?

Again, just my opinion lol, I'm not trying to indoctrine anybody nor promoting myself as a category authority on this subject. I only speak from my own experiences.

Tazman says,

Some of the men who are in this discussion are in good relationships with women they care about and trust, which from what you stated would make them hypocrites, right? Atleast the ones who disagree with you.

Tazman this is the basis of my agrument. If you look around at the stances of alot of the guys here it's always something EXTREME like:

"American women are low quality."
"You can't trust American women."
"Women are all slvts."
"Women are not marriage material."

It goes on and on.

Here's the obvious question, have these guys had experiences with the over 200 million women in this country? I understand the concept of a representative sample from scientific method related experiments, but how can you randomly sample and MAKE ACCURATE CONCLUSIONS about something so BROAD as social dynamics?

Think about that. Can you REALLY put this into a box?

Different women like different guys. This group of women might not like this group of guys.

These groups of women might be more better suited for relationships, this group might not.

How can you group the entire gender into a few groups, when the gender is SO BROADLY spread out amongst different cultures, tastes, values, morals, backgrounds, and influences?

I don't know how many black guys are on this forum, but as a black guy I will be the FIRST to tell you, 90% of the "tips" in the Don Juan Bible will NOT work on a black woman lol.