tired of this "women have more choice because of society's rules" crap

[drak_ool]

I will start with the premise that women are as horny as men, hence they enjoy sex just as much.

Now, in today's society, a man who acts out on his horniness tries to get with a lot of girls or jerks off a lot. Those who succeed in getting a lot of babes are labeled "players". They are hated on by some males, and most females hold a low view of them--in public. In private, these are the guys they fvck.

A woman who does the same, however, is considered a "slvt" or a "hor", and is looked down by both males and females alike

if a man is labeled a player, this will actually attract good looking women to him. Some might argue that these girls are shallow and/or low-class. Fair enough. However, a player has the tools to attract high-class women
or even "the one", the woman of his dreams. And he gets a clean slate with them. No woman that is truly attracted to a man will refuse to be with him (as in a stable LTR) because of his past. So a player has more choice, both with low-class women, high-class women and everything in between

However, if a woman is labelled a "slvt", her choices are limited. Except for AFCs, who she can even fool into marrying her, high class desirable men will at best use her, but will never get committed with her. She will never get a clean slate, nor would any of these guys want to get committed with her in an LTR.

Now in this cases how does society favor women? how do they have more choice than guys?

to all those who espouse those views, do you realize how you re blinding yourself by claiming to be realistic? from your posts it always sounds like hot women are just one call away from fvcking whatever guy they want, while poor dudes have to go through so much crap just to have a shot at landing one of the hot babes.

But do you realize that in the real world there are guys who have hot girls at the tip of their fingers?

The point of my post is: if you are not getting the women you want, look for the answers within you instead of blaming the way society is structured. Good DJs have it easier than most women, so strive to improve yourself instead of blaming external factors for your failures

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Good rant!

 

[Last Man Standing]

Men are not women and women are not men!!

 

[j0n024]

umm one man's ceiling is another man's floor?lol maybe your right but then again it is easier to blame something else instead of blaming yourself.

 

[Mad Manic]

I will start with the premise that women are as horny as men, hence they enjoy sex just as much.

Well I don't agree with the premise, I think it's a myth banded about to get guys to be more bold in escalating. I think the truth is guys are horny and want sex badly but women aren't so fussed about it and they place way more importance on other things like social status/male attention/validation/money/dominance over men etc.

Now, in today's society, a man who acts out on his horniness tries to get with a lot of girls or jerks off a lot. Those who succeed in getting a lot of babes are labeled "players". They are hated on by some males, and most females hold a low view of them--in public. In private, these are the guys they fvck.

This is a very small %, about 1% tops, so this is a minority here of which you and I and nearly all men aren't part of. But thanks for the info.

A woman who does the same, however, is considered a "slvt" or a "hor", and is looked down by both males and females alike

Yes and she doesn't need to because she has quality men on a plate at all times.

if a man is labeled a player, this will actually attract good looking women to him. Some might argue that these girls are shallow and/or low-class. Fair enough. However, a player has the tools to attract high-class women
or even "the one", the woman of his dreams. And he gets a clean slate with them. No woman that is truly attracted to a man will refuse to be with him (as in a stable LTR) because of his past. So a player has more choice, both with low-class women, high-class women and everything in between

However, if a woman is labelled a "slvt", her choices are limited. Except for AFCs, who she can even fool into marrying her, high class desirable men will at best use her, but will never get committed with her. She will never get a clean slate, nor would any of these guys want to get committed with her in an LTR.

Now in this cases how does society favor women? how do they have more choice than guys?

So you're saying that players have it better than these sluts and thus men have more power over women in society? Try telling that to the 99% of men who aren't players and who don't have hot women on a plate. You're analysing a tiny proportion of men here; the one's with sexual choice and then comparing them to women who in GENERAL have sexual choice.

to all those who espouse those views, do you realize how you re blinding yourself by claiming to be realistic? from your posts it always sounds like hot women are just one call away from fvcking whatever guy they want, while poor dudes have to go through so much crap just to have a shot at landing one of the hot babes.

Yes hot women have men on a plate and guys have to go through a lot to get anywhere near them. Ohhh I forgot you're concentrating on the 1 % (tops) who have it good? Ohhh but we're both just normal guys.

But do you realize that in the real world there are guys who have hot girls at the tip of their fingers?

Yes but it's rare and most women have quality men at their finger tips. So it's very distorted. Basically a HB5 having the same power as a super-stud-player. So in any case it's distorted. It's super distorted comparing normal men to normal women. No power vs all the power.

The point of my post is: if you are not getting the women you want, look for the answers within you instead of blaming the way society is structured. Good DJs have it easier than most women, so strive to improve yourself instead of blaming external factors for your failures

This post can be summarised as; players are a tiny proportion of all men, but they have it great with women. Most men have zero power, women have all the power. Don't blame society for this, instead just become one of the 1% (tops) who have sexual choice like even a HB4 does. Ok.

MM

 

[bigjohnson]

Women enjoy sex as much or more than men but they are not as driven to get it IMO and in my experience. Of course it varies a lot with individuals. In the end who cares about "the average woman" anyway, it's the one you're with at the moment that matters.

 

[The Inside Man]

I agree to disagree with the OPs first premise. We have enough sperm to repopulate the world on our own, who says we aren't hornier than women? We have that urge to spreadh and release our genes that women don't have. I will agree that they like or enjoy sex just as much. But the drive is what comes into question.

 

[Mad Manic]

Women enjoy sex as much or more than men but they are not as driven to get it IMO and in my experience. Of course it varies a lot with individuals. In the end who cares about "the average woman" anyway, it's the one you're with at the moment that matters.

I don't think they enjoy sex as much as men. They may enjoy the power/control/validation/dominance etc. but I don't think they enjoy it as much. Men are more driven BECAUSE they enjoy it more thanks to genetics which states that spreading their seed gives happiness (anything that improves statistical probability of offspring).

The man always orgasms and feels great that he finally got laid, the women gets laid easy so it's no biggie and she rarely orgasms from it. Plus she is 'getting fvcked' not fvcking as such. If women enjoyed sex so much then you wouldn't need to jump through all these hoops IMO; the thought and action process of 'lets fvck this guy coz he's hot' would be ever more apparent. Even in cold approach and anonymous situations women don't fvck; they have lesser desire for it and hence less drive unlike men.

MM

 

[bigjohnson]

I don't think they enjoy sex as much as men. ....

The man always orgasms and feels great that he finally got laid, the women .... rarely orgasms from it.

I see people say this and I never understand how they figure. Maybe someone said it and then everyone else believed it? Women get off almost every time and they go through the roof when they do. From the outside evidence it seems like they get a lot better orgasms, but then I suppose no one will ever really be able to compare. Also I've been with chicks who got off fast and if I didn't hurry up and get it done they'd complain about it. So guys don't ALWAYS get theirs, despite what you say.

Guys are driven to have sex by a lot more than the desire to do something that feels good IMO. The feels good factor is just positive reinforcement for a much deeper drive that women seem to almost lack.

 

[drak_ool]

thanks mad manic, your response is typical of the point of view on women and society i was attacking. Men have no power and women have all the power

good attitude! no wonder you don't get laid :nono:

to me a high quality man is not only one who looks good and has "resources", it is also one who knows how to deal with women and not let them control him. So by that definition, women who have "men at their fingertips" still don't have a lot of quality men available. Why do you think women complain that there are so few "good men" available?

that s because it s as hard for her to find that "quality" man as it is for you to find that HB10, so she she has to settle for less in the meantime, just like you settle on less good looking women.

Don't blame society for this, instead just become one of the 1% (tops)

EXACTLY! i m glad you got the point of my post. except that nobody knows what that percentage really is.

my view of the transformation process from AFC (or whatever you consider yourself) to DJ has always been:

1) you see how things are working in the real world
2) you understand your standing in the order of things
3) you set your goals (you define what you new standing you want to achieve for yourself)
4) you do everything in your power to reach those goals

you seem to be stuck on step 2) bro.... good luck moving on

 

[DonGorgon]

If you want to keep getting layed you cant afford to be tired of that which you described.

 

[DonGorgon]

Don't blame society for this, instead just become one of the 1% (tops) who have sexual choice like even a HB4 does. Ok.

MM

So what are women doing to raze their quality level???? oh yeah they don't have to cause there is such and over supply of men that desperate men are everywhere willing to lower their standards just to get any woman....LOL

 

[LostAndConfused]

umm one man's ceiling is another man's floor?lol maybe your right but then again it is easier to blame something else instead of blaming yourself.

Exactly.

A wise man once said: "Since our faults are held on our backs, we only see the faults of others, and ignore whats on our own back."

 

[Mad Manic]

thanks mad manic, your response is typical of the point of view on women and society i was attacking. Men have no power and women have all the power

Yes when it comes to sex and dating. That's why we're on this forum discussing this stuff and that's why neither of us has a HB8+ gf.

good attitude! no wonder you don't get laid :nono:

I know it's cynical but it's being blunt about the dynamic, I don't like downplaying it like other guys. I look at the hard cold facts. As for attitude and not getting laid, well women fvck the small proportion of men who have the highest value to them through various means. And in honesty my attitude is what propels me to do something about it; it what makes me approach girls, go to the gym etc. because I want to be one of the guys who isn't ruined by the dynamic. It destroys some, for me I think it'll help. I used to play the "life is great and the girl will come for me " card. It never happened and I was cheery.

to me a high quality man is not only one who looks good and has "resources", it is also one who knows how to deal with women and not let them control him. So by that definition, women who have "men at their fingertips" still don't have a lot of quality men available. Why do you think women complain that there are so few "good men" available?

Agreed. But that means most women can screw and date attractive men easily but still can't guarantee that they are ones who fully know how to treat the women and be a man. Ok. But most men can't date attractive women and if they are lucky enough to be able to do so, they really wouldn't have enough sexual choice to dismiss them on whether 'they are a woman'. Even the top dogs who get laid put up with BS to get sex.

EXACTLY! i m glad you got the point of my post. except that nobody knows what that percentage really is.

my view of the transformation process from AFC (or whatever you consider yourself) to DJ has always been:

1) you see how things are working in the real world
2) you understand your standing in the order of things
3) you set your goals (you define what you new standing you want to achieve for yourself)
4) you do everything in your power to reach those goals

you seem to be stuck on step 2) bro.... good luck moving on

I think I'm on number 4. Obviously I know about 1 thanks to sosuave and field experience. I understand I'm not a player (but I'm actually an alright guy in real life, I vent on the forums as a release) but with potential, I've got my goals (be built and ripped by next spring after my cutting diet, approach lots of women, get a few lays, get a HB 7-8 gf) and of course 4 goes without saying.

I honestly don't think we disagree on anything. You take the positive attitude route to trying to get into that small proportion, I take the negative route to propel me. Swings and roundabouts mate.

 

[Mad Manic]

So what are women doing to raze their quality level???? oh yeah they don't have to cause there is such and over supply of men that desperate men are everywhere willing to lower their standards just to get any woman....LOL

They aren't, I've just been born into a society that says women are valuable and pursued and men are desperate, invaluable and not pursued.

My italian stepdad is 5' 7", unattractive, medium build, big hook nose and isn't educated either. He's got photos of some of the women he used to date and his mates did the same thing. He's told me stories about living near the sea with a mate and picking up women at the beach no problem, everyone did it. It was so much easier in the 1960s, I doubt he needed to read about calibration and escalation on a screen to get sex.

 

[DJVladdy]

Manic, listen man, Im a nice guy, but dude, shut the **** up and stop arguing, read as much as you can and maybe ull learn something and improve, instead of argue and try to justify that ur a loser and its the way to be.

 

[Mad Manic]

Manic, listen man, Im a nice guy, but dude, shut the **** up and stop arguing, read as much as you can and maybe ull learn something and improve, instead of argue and try to justify that ur a loser and its the way to be.

If you took your own advice to read you'd realise that I/others are pro-actively improving, we're just discussing the dynamic at hand. But thanks for calling me a loser, now go bang that HB10 who keeps ringing you constantly.

MM

 

[bigjohnson]

So what are women doing to raze their quality level???? oh yeah they don't have to cause there is such and over supply of men that desperate men are everywhere willing to lower their standards just to get any woman....LOL

That's why women never get breasts enlarged, tummies tucked, wear makeup, exercise, ... oh wait, never mind.

Yeah, you're wrong.

 

[DJVladdy]

i dont have to call you a loser, because you have already called urself a loser long time ago, and still are every day.

You talk about dynamic... man ur "dynamic" sucks. Studying these might improve it:

Law of attraction/deliberate creation
Google "playersupreme"
Read Gunwitch Method
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=83349
Look at some posts by fingers, pook, and interceptor

 

[Mad Manic]

i dont have to call you a loser, because you have already called urself a loser long time ago, and still are every day.

You talk about dynamic... man ur "dynamic" sucks. Studying these might improve it:

Law of attraction/deliberate creation
Google "playersupreme"
Read Gunwitch Method
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=83349
Look at some posts by fingers, pook, and interceptor

Ok. What we're discussing is WHY we have to look at this stuff in the first place unlike men in the 1960s. That's all, it's a topic of discussion. It has nothing to do with choosing to improve or not to get women in today's society. If you don't like the discussion, leave the thread along with your big talk. We both know you aren't a player either.

MM