Jon E I never said that being "alpha" is being an *******. The thread started with talking about doing these things on a regular basis, and women will get very bored of that very fast. The only reason these things seem so special to women is because men rarely do it. Just like with other things: the reason gold is so valuable is because it's scarce. Like I said in my previous post, it's ok to do these things occasionally. I never said anything about disrespecting women, but have some respect for yourself as well. Don't let them control you. And Krassus, my examples are not grossely exaggerated, read the list again and then see that half of these things will easily put the woman on a pedestal.