This ONE THING often makes or breaks your status

[Smooth_texter]

This is BS.
Women like men that have never been in love.
They want the challenge of being the one that tamed him.
If you admit having a serious LTR, it makes her feel another girl has got there before her, which lowers her status in relation to that girl.
It also cements you in the ‘provider’ category, because why hookup with someone who committed to another girl?

yes, you need to show preselection. Talk about girls you’ve ‘seen’ or girls that are attracted to you. But don’t pretend to be a nice guy. Own your playboy side, girls LOVE it.

How is being in an LTR at a certain point in your life cementing one's status as a provider?

Using that logic, there wouldn't have been any cheating outside of marriage, ever (and a marriage cements you as a even bigger provider). Since you have already committed to another woman.

Been loved and lusted by women in multi year LTRs is also preselection - it shows that you not only know how to attract, but also how to keep a woman. And the latter is not being talked as much in the red pill.

 

[Smooth_texter]

Nah.

If they ask you about LTR history, what matters is your frame, when you respond. Not the history itself.

If you answer expecting she will approve/disapprove of you based on this, you have handed her this power already.

This is true with almost any such interaction.

My point is that if she already likes you, and is an LTR girl herself, an uncertain frame might tip the scales in the wrong direction.

And there are questions and behaviors that you cannot fake later on.

 

[Smooth_texter]

This is a good post.

And I agree that women always ask about your past. If a woman realizes you never had LTR if she is looking for that her insecurity radar will start to turn on.

And then the questioning asks, "why?" "he has no experience" "no other woman wanted him for ltr?" and this whole hamster brain spinning starts. And then the sh1testing starts.

If you really have your sh1t together good looks and personality you could most probably bypass to a certain level the LTR sh1test if you never had one. But most women want guys with experience that's why they ask these questions. If she knows you had 4-5 year LTR in the past her safety level increases.

Yes, this is Hypergamy working against you.

If a quality woman finds out that a guy she likes has not had any LTR experience, the question in her head would most likely be "Why hasn't any woman stayed with him, if he's so great?" And she deducts points from your status mentally.

Her LTR sh*t test can be for example bypassed, if a guy has been at least 6 months in a relationship (internal confidence), but maintaining this frame becomes difficult after a few dates.

 

[Bigpapa]

Yes, this is Hypergamy working against you.

If a quality woman finds out that a guy she likes has not had any LTR experience, the question in her head would most likely be "Why hasn't any woman stayed with him, if he's so great?" And she deducts points from your status mentally.

Her LTR sh*t test can be for example bypassed, if a guy has been at least 6 months in a relationship (internal confidence), but maintaining this frame becomes difficult after a few dates.

Point is that you always need to give the vibe that it can be more than a couple of f8cks

Women say that they do not want a relationship, but in most of the cases they actually want one. They usually say that they do not want one in order not to put pressure on the guy and thus to be liked more by the guy

A woman will never sleep with a guy that she does not like. If she likes him and he is not weird or something, then she will want to keep him around because he was selected from a multitude of other guys

Hypergamy is mainly part of girls that are into material things, but most girls are not that into material things to begin with. They like the experience not the thing itself. It might sound that is the same thing but it is not

One thing is to buy a BMW because of the status that comes with and a totally different thing is to buy a BMW because it feels amazing driving one

 

[BadWatermelon]

If you lie about your relationship history (and get into an LTR with her), she's going to find out eventually.

 

[manfrombelow]

Women are natural-born investigators. Trust me, they have ways to find out if you already have had chicks or not.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

My point is that if she already likes you, and is an LTR girl herself, an uncertain frame might tip the scales in the wrong direction.

And there are questions and behaviors that you cannot fake later on.

Oh I misunderstood, I thought you said a high value man should have been in an LTR.

 

[BadWatermelon]

What would be the best way for OP to handle it if he hasn't been in a LTR? Maybe: I've been focusing on [my career] so I didn't have a lot of time to focus on dating?

 

[Duff55]

As an Einzelgänger, I used to live alone and have polyamorous / non-monogamous relationships. I was in an LTR of sixteen years with a ten-year younger woman, had two children with her and since my divorce I have polyamorous relationships again. I don't plan to have a monogamous LTR, so a woman who'd think I'd be up for that bases on my 16-year long LTR is sorely mistaken.

Why not, do u think its not sustainable long term or worth it?

 

[Mike32ct]

Women are natural-born investigators. Trust me, they have ways to find out if you already have had chicks or not.

Absolutely. They investigate everybody in their social circle, even other women.