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Ok. Thing is.....we can sense that the newbies have a lot of insecurity and that they NEED our advice, and it gets to a lot of the old-hands on here....because these newbies come out of no where and expect something for free...we dont even know if they are one of us...

its that pshcological leaning thing again....we sense their neediness and it makes us uncomfortable, and we instinctively draw back away.

Such is why you get negative comments and ridicule to those people.

Thing is, now its come to this, maybe we need to take a hit for the team and snap those losers out of their afc mentality.

I personally think the above advice in the post above that is, is pretty great....do that people, and you wont be such drips.

Thing is, i am here to help to, and i wont let an afc person who hasnt made the transition to his NATURAL AND RIGHTFUL PLACE IN SOCIETY as a man, bother me.

Because i know (or i hope) that he will oneday be a dj in mind and body. I have overcome this problem in another thread, i've always been helpful and was always snapping people out of their "wussy_trance", but once i saw this negativity creeping into me, i sorted it out in another thread, now i am cool again.


So people, do help the afc losers\dj-wannabe's, because they are just trying to learn....

my one problem is that some of these people want instant gratification, and basically that is lame.....i'd rather wait and have it forever, rather than p!ss away the opertunity of knowing once and for all....so do please return to the site frequently (and see more women!) Thats the cure.
 

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The final goal for a man who comes to this site because of woman problems is to improve himself enough so that he no longer has woman problems. This site really is about self-improvement for the purpose of attracting the opposite sex. But it is still self-improvement.

Because those of us who have true success already know that all the best techniques and quick tips in the world won't really help in the long term if you don't have your mind in the right place.

Anyone looking for quick fixes is looking for the wrong things.

I know for myself the journey has been long, but rewarding, and I don't consider myself even being close to being at the end of that journey.

One thing that is good about wanting to improve oneself to get better with the opposite sex is that the need for companionship and sex is a great motivator, and can usually keep a guy going even in the darkest of times.

I also feel obligations to my fellow man and society in general to make myself and as many other men as possible into REAL MEN. Otherwise our society will crumble because a feminized society is destined to fail. Sorry ladies, I love ya, but let's face reality here. Men built this world, with the support and help of women, and that is just the nature of things. The reason everyone is so miserable now is because we keep fighting our nature. Men fight their nature of being strong, aggressive leaders, and women fight their nature of being sweet, supportive, nurturing care-givers. All because certain people in society don't seem to like the true nature of things.

Of course women can be very strong and intelligent and can succeed in any field they choose, but one day they need to become mothers and give up that career. Fathers also need to be fathers and should always put their family above career as well, because all the money in the world still cannot buy back a happy childhood for those who were neglected to get that wealth.

If people realized that and could escape this evil rat race maybe the divorce rate and other things would improve.
 

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Originally posted by MrCode


I also feel obligations to my fellow man and society in general to make myself and as many other men as possible into REAL MEN. Otherwise our society will crumble because a feminized society is destined to fail. Sorry ladies, I love ya, but let's face reality here. Men built this world, with the support and help of women, and that is just the nature of things. The reason everyone is so miserable now is because we keep fighting our nature. Men fight their nature of being strong, aggressive leaders, and women fight their nature of being sweet, supportive, nurturing care-givers. All because certain people in society don't seem to like the true nature of things.

this is all very true.
 

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But you don't forge real men by cuddling them.Real men make themselves through expereince and instinct.

We need to stop answering all these idiotic questions even if it's just to say "Read the bible" or insult the person.

Just ignore those types of posters.

This is an online forum you can only help people if they go out practice what you preach to them.If for one get tired of seeing people basically console people who we all know are hopeless.

When someone comes in here and he's 40 years old and never been on a date before..why would you lie to him?Don't tell him it's gonna be easy cuz it's not. I don't care if he goes back to his basement to cry about it.It's the damn truth stop lying to him and other people like it's "nothing to get women,bruh" cuz it is not.

I see it with people who are insecure about theire height,penis-size,looks,age,status,car,apt,job,etc..stop lying to them just to make them feel better,if you think you're helping them then you're mistake.Women are insanley shallow they do care about all that.Giving someone FAKE confidence won't help with REAL problems.

Dido for the guys with the retarted questions.

Let's make this is a place for real and expereinced DJ's-Players-PUa's share info and give eachother pointers.Not a place that's run by wussies and wannabe's who come to nag real players to death.

If someone with potential ask a legitamate question I'll help him.But I'm tired of all these weirdo's and headcases clogging up the place with girly b.s... it's bringing down my game.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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what game? :p ;)


Haha, word motha****a.


Who the hell came up with the idea that people give fake advice on this board in the first place? I dont think i've ever seen this:

Post: "I was with a girl, she was on me going for the kiss..and i said how much i loved her sister, so she got up and left"

Reply: "oh its going to be ok, you are the prize, next!"

So what is this fake confidence you are talking about?

I have always been a person who is very straightforward. This is my advice to every single guy who is trying to get women:

Improve yourself - practice - decide what you want - go for what you want.

very simple really.
 

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Originally posted by Tha Realnezz
But you don't forge real men by cuddling them.Real men make themselves through expereince and instinct.
Good point...

If a guy constantly looks to another guy for guidence he's being beta...manliness comes when he can stand on his own...
 

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Originally posted by Delta
to say that self improvement trumps getting the girl is like telling a man dying of thirst that democracy is more important than water.

yeah, self improvement blah blah blah, do it for yourself blah blah blah... but if you are such a dateless wonder that your every breath screams with dejection, loneliness and desperation... it's really not about self improvement anymore.

it's just trying to keep it together enough so that you don't go over the edge in one of countless, myriad and frequently entertaining ways.

you need that drop of water... fvck democracy.

fvck self improvement.
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but therein lies the rub... the catch-22.

to get it, your only hope is to FRONT. because you need to NOT need it... but not needing it comes from plenty... not deprivation.

the bible (holy, not dj) really is right about this: those who have will get more, those who don't, even what they have will be taken from them.

Very deep...
 

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Ain't necessarily so

the bible (holy, not dj) really is right about this: those who have will get more, those who don't, even what they have will be taken from them
Things you are liable ... to read in a bible ... ain't necessarily so.

I'm with Craig Reeves on this one, by and large. I won't go as far as to say anybody can become a chick magnet, but anybody -- even the 40 year old who's never had a date -- can do better, especially if a lot of that lack of success is the result of conditioned behaviors that followed from misinformation.

Obviously, it's not something that will happen overnight without lots and lots of effort and possibly some major reprogramming. But for those who are willing to make the effort, I'll do my best to help them, just as the info here has helped me.

This is what this site is all about for me: helping men become more successful with women. More successful. Not everyone will become a first-class pickup artist ... but then, why should they expect to? How many of you expect to become professional athletes or rock stars?

It's all about being the best you can be...
 

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My goodness. We all need to chill. Go to Taco Bell, buy a Nacho Bell Grande and catch a movie. Just go out and do shlt. Look at us...complaining more and more, wasting our time here. (though some of the time was well spent)
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Originally posted by Delta
the bible (holy, not dj) really is right about this: those who have will get more, those who don't, even what they have will be taken from them.
I just realised something...that's basicly reagonomics...the rich get richer and the poor get poorer...

A sad state of affairs.

It's best to find ones hidden talents, cherish and nurture it...so the solution to those aspiring to be DJs is to fake it till they make it...they ought to develop their acting skills...
 

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Hmmm I'm pretty sure the last time I accessed Sosuave.com it said below the title "Secrets of meeting, dating and attracting women".

Self improvement as the overall site? It's a Don Juan not a Anthony Robbins discussion group.

Self improvement is a means to an end here, the end here been as the intended purpose of the website.

It just so happens women are attracted to confidence, manliness, big muscles etc If you improve yourself in the process(which is unavoidable) then great. Even Pook posted in this seduction site as opposed to a self emprovement website as that was the focus of his posts.

I do agree, there are too many newbies that are have shown that they have done no reading whatsoever. Then other newbies chip in, and often it's a case of the blind leading the blind.

I suppose in essence this forum has become a reminder for me, for the consequences of, or what might happen should I forget all I've learnt and become.

Kaine
 

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Originally posted by Kaine
Hmmm I'm pretty sure the last time I accessed Sosuave.com it said below the title "Secrets of meeting, dating and attracting women".

Self improvement as the overall site? It's a Don Juan not a Anthony Robbins discussion group.
Why do you seek to improve yourself? So you can be happy right? Do you think really hot women are attracted to depress physicaly weak men? Hell no!

Any average guy can meet, date and attract a woman...that's riding with the training wheels on...meeting and attracting really hot women takes skill...that's self improvement...that's riding the harley...

The DJ doesn't just date women...he dates really hot women...
 

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Originally posted by DjDreamer
Why do you seek to improve yourself? So you can be happy right? Do you think really hot women are attracted to depress physicaly weak men? Hell no!

Any average guy can meet, date and attract a woman...that's riding with the training wheels on...meeting and attracting really hot women takes skill...that's self improvement...that's riding the harley...

The DJ doesn't just date women...he dates really hot women...
Duh, no one is saying that DJing doesn't require self-improvement. If you want to get better at anything, it requires self-improvement. That's common sense. Here, we use self-improvement for the specific purpose of attracting women. This isn't a difficult concept.
 

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You alll just want your ego stroked and since you can't go around bragging to people 24/7, you come online, create a myth about about yourself (thanks to the anymonity of the net) to try ad make it to that virtual heaven, nivrvana, mecca, or what ever the **** you wanna call it that is known as the "DJ Bible."
 

Well I'm here to tell you there is such a magic wand. Something that will make you almost completely irresistible to any woman you "point it" at. Something guaranteed to fill your life with love, romance, and excitement.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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actually,

i'm always comforted by remembering that we don't exist in the hyper-ideal dj playground wherein only the strong survive.

what i mean is that the discussions and advice usually revolve around a hypothetically 'perfect' male and a hypothetically 'perfect' female and the sexual responses and conditioning thereof.

but in reality, we're all pretty well fvcked in the head if you made it into your twenties!

one thing that life has a remarkable knack for doing is inflicting a great deal of DAMAGE along the way.

i would wager there are few archetypical males/females around. and most of us will probably end up cashing in on the flaws and weaknesses of others before all is said and done. she REALLY ain't perfect.

most of us are mildly to severely dysfunctional people and perhaps nubys would be heartened in knowing that while their particular combination of dysfunctionalities, traits, physique, genetics and wealth has caused them difficulty with the ladies, the self proclaimed and actual djs themselves are probably pretty messed up in other aspects of their lives (simply by virtue of having lived so many years... not a slam against you successful ones).

i'm not saying that we should NOT talk in archetypes... hell, that's the way advice and lessons must be framed.

but for the nubys, remember that when you lift your head out of the really specialized discussion of this forum, we can see that the war between man and woman as well as the harshness of life in general claims EVERYONE as casualties. read: you're in good company.

bonhomme re: bibles - agreed. but that particular passage i think is, and has proven through history, to be entirely, unfairly and inarguably true.

delta
 

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There are many who didn't have

Ted Turner and Bill Gates started from beginnings. But they did have a lot of ability... the saying is more true in a holistic sense. There are always exceptions.
 

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hey craig, i totally disagree with your post. true, i see that you want to see some afc's succeed, but that's their problem, not anyone else's. i think this thread goes well with wyldfire's "on becoming a successful man..." post.

i myself am an excellent example of a bafc that is getting closer and closer to 'dj-ness'

you see, if anyone wants to change it's up to them to take the steps and get it done. take our good friend (which i won't name...you know who you are bud) who has been practically encouraged to death, and even with an entire post dedicated to getting him off his ass, he still sits there and sulks.

i always thought that anyone who had enough desire to find a site like this would have enough inner desire to utilize this mecca of information and slowly work their way up. that's what i did, and i'm sure a bunch of others did the same. i'm with senor fingers (weapons of mass seduction), in that we all have a social god buried within us, we just need to find it.

i used to be a complete loser. so worse than bafc, that i was actually diagnosed with social anxiety / chronic depression. but once i found this site i was like BOOM! i'm not the only one like this, so maybe i don't have anxiety or depression...if i can get more social and better with chicks. i never took the meds the doc prescribed because my mom didn't let me (she also thought it was psychological...and it is in a ton of cases). anyway, once i found this site i didn't read up the bootcamp but i just went all out on everything. i gained like 19lbs of muscle/fat in just two months, i became fairly comfortable chatting up strangers, and now i just talk to anyone whenever and say whatever the **** i want to. i am actually naturally c&f so i have people cracking up a lot with that and my random humor. i think soma put it's best regarding being comfortable with what you say:

"People always ask me how I come up with the shiet I say...here's how...

Say whatever the fvck is on your mind. Really. Maybe it's outrageous. Maybe it's stupid. Maybe it's weird. Doesn't matter. Get used to saying whatever comes to mind without thinking about it whether you really should or shouldn't.

It will get easier with time and you'll exude charm. There will be times that you offend people, turn a girl off, say something so stupid you embarrass yourself, but that's the price you pay. Small fvckups in exchange for awesome, unforgettable memories and uniquely engaging conversations."

i do offend people occasionally, or even embarass myself but it's worth it for the big laughs. but like i said, you just have to do it. encouragement is bull****. you need to just do it, and that feeling you get from doing it once will give you the motivation to do it again. motivation comes from action not inaction.

also, going back to how this is related to wyldfire's post...you do should improve all aspects of your life. when i first came here i just wanted to talk to hbs, but now i want to be a better man. life is too short to be worrying about hbs all the time. and, if you have the other aspects of your life in check, then you have more time to get with those hbs. i think that putting the hbs as your priority is just as stupid (if not the same) as putting the hbs on a pedestal like afcs do. basically, you're setting aside your health, job, grades (if in school), family life, to pick-up hbs. you gotta fix everything else first because if you don't you'll either have to lie or do something else that's terribly immature.

my post/response turned out to be a mix of responses, but if you are afc you should listen. like i said, i had social anxiety, and now i always make a big entrance when i walk into a room or a party. i'm not "the life of the party" quite yet, but getting there.

let me give one last example. i just moved into a dorm, to live on campus for the first time (even though i've been going to this school for a while). even if i have put myself in a situation to have to get to know others and socialize, there are some who still don't do that. my roommate sits inside all day and watches anime or plays videogames. he even eats meals in his room or while walking, on his way to class. he's a social cacoon. i don't feel bad for him though...because only he can change himself. it won't matter how many times i tell him to come out and eat lunch with me...he needs to change his mindset, his habits, values, etc. the rest of my suitemates are alright, but afcs for the most part. they don't go to clubs, dance, care about how they dress, or talk to girls they don't know. but that's not what a dj is all about. they also don't read, give a **** about their financial futures, or exercise very much. i definitely stand out when i tell them i read in my free time, or i like to dance or whatever.

i don't know what makes them not change, but i think i've really taken it to heart that i and everyone else has ONLY ONE LIFE. LIFE IS TOO FVCKING SHORT. i'm not paranoid, but you could die tomorrow. FEAR IS and should be NONEXISTENT. you won't get a second life. stop dreaming and wishing. and you know what, i can almost guarantee, none of this encouragement can change anyone, unless they do something themselves.

this site is just a start. it's not supposed to be a miracle. just like there is no "get rich quick" scheme or "lose 100 lbs in a week" pill. there are no miracles until you make them happen.

i just wanted to give my example, because it totally proves your post wrong. i changed. so did some others. don't say this say this site is bad to compensate for others' shortcomings. this site gave me what i need to change my life. and my post is this long because i was really upset when i saw title of the thread. they should be teaching stuff like this...like how to become a man, in schools.

and i know i've said it tons of times, but thank you sosuave / members.
 

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i just went back and read some of the other responses to this thread, and Nine Breaker, you are right on the spot. that's pretty much what i'm trying to say, but you just put it better, so maybe it beats the point of my post.

yeah, and i didn't mean my post to seem like i'm bragging or anything. i just wanted to show that it does happen. that anyone can do it, no matter if you have social anxiety or not. that you have to be tough and criticizing sometimes (like how my mom didn't let me take meds). if i came off somewhat emotionally or bragging, i apologize. but seriously, i do hope i can encourage someone. i do plan on giving more/better advice in the future, but i post on and off, so i haven't been here for a while, and i'm just working on getting more experience now.
 

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Originally posted by Interpol
Duh, no one is saying that DJing doesn't require self-improvement. If you want to get better at anything, it requires self-improvement. That's common sense. Here, we use self-improvement for the specific purpose of attracting women. This isn't a difficult concept.
You are not seeing the bigger picture...

Any self improvement attracts the hot women...goal oriented men attract the hot women...successful men attract the hot women...

Once again...any man can attract a woman...it's called instinct...that's why I stress confidence...
 

Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.

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