This forum is going down the drain? So what are we gonna do about it?

[Technical1]

When I first came here and saw Rollo, RedPill, Joekerr31, Victory Unlimited, Francisco D'Anconia, STR8UP, Interceptor, Reset and Karma Sutra discussing relationship dynamics, I knew that these ARE the glory days, IMO. These guys hit so many deep topics:

1. Branch swinging (STR8UP)
2. Being the "A" guy versus the "B" guy (STR8UP)
3. Feminine Social Conventions (Rollo)
4. The Desire Dynamic (Rollo)
5. Spinning Plates (Rollo)
6. Playing the Protector role, not depending on your woman (Joekerr)

Just to name a few. This is deep stuff, WAY deeper than lay reports and techniques and tips. If I have success with a girl, why would other guys care about that specific situation? I cant say the reason why it worked, the situation is too specific and she probably just wanted it to happen, whereas the same approach doesnt work in another situation because the other girl was in a different mindset.

If you want techniques, EVERYTHING has been said in the archives: from voice tone, style of walking, colognes and dress styles or ideas for dates. Its all there.

I also think the good feelings attached to the beginning years of this forum stem from the fact that there were less posters, more naivete and enthusiasm, and just the freshness of any endeavor that just starts up. The stuff from the old days isnt that profound, Ive been reading the threads from 2001-2003, they're good but often just the same stuff you see today.

The stuff Squirrells is complaining about is just an exaggerated look at the negative aspects of the site, coming from a mindset that locks onto negative stuff. "Hero worship, self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses." A negative nancy will find the bad in anything, even something as awesome as this place.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

:crackup:

Which part?

The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?

Or maybe the three or four live threads about why women are flaking on the first or second date?

Or maybe you're talking about the threads about people who are 40 and haven't had sex in years and are lamenting about how hard "the game" is?

Or maybe the people who hero-worship Rollo Tomassi and call women "plates" like it makes them sound enlightened?

No, wait...you must be talking about the people who yammer on about the "feminatrix" and whine about how men are so oppressed and how life sucks for us and we were dealt a raw hand. You know, instead of getting up and doing something about it.

Or maybe you're talking about all the self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses who want to tell the world how life works, even though they struggle at it so much that they haunt a forum built around guys who can't get chicks.



The reason this forum has gone to sh!t is simple. It used to be made up of people who were passionate about bagging attractive women. They had FUN doing this...it wasn't an obligation for them. They didn't feel like they had to be "players" to be cool. They did it because they loved it.

Now it's made up of people who aren't DRIVEN to get women, but feel like they OUGHT to because of the pressure society puts on us to mate. So they gather here and whine about how hard it is, get VERY good advice, go out, DON'T apply it, and then whine some more. They don't have FUN talking to women. But they listened to enough hip-hop to learn that, "If you ain't a playa wif 6 bichizz in da bed, you ain't cool".

It's very easy to stack good advice on top of good advice until your problem makes very clear sense. But it seems that very few people here are willing to take ACTION to rectify that problem, even after simplifying it down to the minutiae.

So there's only ONE reasonable conclusion...most of you guys on here just AREN'T THAT PASSIONATE about women, but are too insecure in your masculinity and social image to admit that there are things you'd rather be doing than wasting energy on chicks. So you come up with these grand theories to make it LOOK like you understand women, and then turn and run the other way when a girl comes into the room.


You have all the tools you need to get what you want from women. The only thing that will make it happen, though, is when YOU DECIDE that you WANT a woman bad enough to use those tools. Until then, you're just blowing hot air out your face-hole when you talk about chicks.


That's why Pook left. Because life is out THERE. Not in HERE.

reps for that. good post.

 

[Luveno]

What's with all the man-crushing on Pook?

He wrote a few good posts. So what?

 

[KarmaSutra]

What's with all the man-crushing on Pook?

He wrote a few good posts. So what?

I don't bash the guy. Don't mistake. I have a hard time with taking serious anyone who is ascended to a throne.

Especially an internet throne.

 

[squirrels]

squirrels,

I haven't been here that long (lurked for a year before signing up) so excuse my ignorance, but I thought that there are few FRs here because there's no privacy and the FRs are indexed, cached and searchable on the Internet, open to the world. I post all of my FRs on a small members-only seduction subforum of another site. I'd still cut out names & so on, but I prefer to be specific with some details, and don't want those to be visible to the public.

Oh no, anything but that! God forbid people know that you LIKE GIRLS!

It makes me chuckle every time I see someone say, "Oh no! My girlfriend found this site! What do I do?!" You do NOTHING. She should be happy you're looking for ways to please her. Anyone who's going to hate you for being sexual or hate you for wanting to improve yourself doesn't deserve your time.

This is deep stuff, WAY deeper than lay reports and techniques and tips.

What difference does it make how "deep" it is? Is it worth anything to you besides its innate philosophical value? Who cares if it's "deep"? Are you writing an epic novel or socializing with women? None of my encounters with women have ever been "deep"...in fact, "depth" is what's driven every one of them AWAY.

If I have success with a girl, why would other guys care about that specific situation?

Then why have a forum devoted to it?

I also think the good feelings attached to the beginning years of this forum
stem from the fact that there were less posters, more naivete and enthusiasm, and just the freshness of any endeavor that just starts up.

Absolutely!

The stuff from the old days isnt that profound, Ive been reading the threads from 2001-2003, they're good but often just the same stuff you see today.

Why is "profundity" so important to you? Why do you feel a need to be exposed to or write something that's "profound"? Critters have been f*cking, mating, pairing, and having babies long before the Golden Age of Philosophy.

Methinks that you need "profundity" because you're not comfortable with the way you attach so much importance to mating unless there IS something profound about it.

Stop looking at advice as good or bad based on how "profound" or "enlightened" it is. We are losing ourselves in the labelling and the evaluation and losing sight of the "living" part of things.

The stuff Squirrells is complaining about is just an exaggerated look at the negative aspects of the site, coming from a mindset that locks onto negative stuff. "Hero worship, self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses." A negative nancy will find the bad in anything, even something as awesome as this place.

"This place"? It's a forum. On the INTERNET. It's not a place. It's a collection of ideas. You don't EXIST here. It's like saying your cellphone is a "place". It's a communications medium.

 

[iqqi]

Then DO something!

Awwwww, hellll nawwww....
<plays Kelis F#ck them B!tches in backround as theme music...>

Disclaimer to Allen: I have been personally called out here, and the rest of what follows shall relate directly to previous posts that were made in this thread. Because it is a bunch of bullsh!t. Feel free to PM me and say IQ! Please refrain on this one. Respectfully yours, the iq.

The two posts by women, which each have 5 or more pages of replies, showing how much guys on here are just dying to look good in the face of women like iqqi, who is probably an ugly tramp herself?

You know what, I don't really appreciate you insulting me for no reason whatsover. WTF does it MATTER what I look like. And why would you blatantly insult me, for what purpose. That is flame baiting, son. For what? Because I have a post with 5 pages of replies? Did you reply? No? Then what? What.

What are you posting? Nuttin?

You are mad because some chick or two has a thread that got some replies. Guess what!? Not all of my posts get pages and pages worth of replies. Some do! I'd imagine because maybe there is something worth discussing, whether it be difference in perspective, or some actual discussion going on. Also, another newsflash, almost ALL the threads in the MM forum get up to a few pages long.

To insult me because I am a chick with a thread in the MM forum, is .... for what? I don't make that many threads, so... what? Your point again?

Put out or get out.

As for the rest of your whiny post:

Or maybe the three or four live threads about why women are flaking on the first or second date?

Guess what! This is the mystery of dating that fvcks with EVERYONE! All the time! It is NEVER going to go away, because noone is ever going to get it! It is the one thing that will fvck with EVERYONE who is dating and single's head at one point or/and another. So what else should people be asking?? Hmm? I don't know what you would say to that because... you don't post! So... stfu!

Or maybe you're talking about the threads about people who are 40 and haven't had sex in years and are lamenting about how hard "the game" is?

Yeah, it kind of is lame... but what are YOU doing about it?

Or maybe the people who hero-worship Rollo Tomassi and call women "plates" like it makes them sound enlightened?

The only thing worse than hero worship is self worship.

Speaking of...I hate to call you out, but it must be done. KARMA SUTRA, it is not something to be proud of that you have

I've never read a Pook post in my life. Not one.

Don't plan to either.

I mean... why not? Because so many people look up to him and idolize him? Are you... rebelling? To me, it sounds like jealousy.

Let me tell some of you a little something. Pook and Senor Fingers are the best two posters to EVER grace this forum, flat out, upside down, and sideways.

Pook has an understanding of life that many people will never have, he is in fact, a genius. He is a legend for a reason. Reading his threads are like going to a play and leaving with a new understanding of everything around you. So don't read his posts, whatever, it isn't hurting him or the thousands of other people who have read his posts, in any way. Really you are only hurting yourself. And I say this, because to turn away from anything that could enlighten your life just because ____________ (or I will fill it in for you... jealousy) is kind of silly.

And then to brag about it in a coy little manner, when you haven't even bothered to check it out, is just plain ignorant. And noone here's rep points mean squat diddly until Pook and Fingz are at the top of that list, anyways. They both should get that second little green block just off of principal alone.

Some of you have a penchant to get into your little buddy system, and try to bring others down, so that there is a sort of "if you can't beat em, join em" mentality going on. Slap each other on the back, say how great you are, rep each other because you are buddies and no other reason such as say meaningful topics, and mention how you never saw any reason to ever read a Pook post. Pook is part of why sosuave is what it is.

There are some damned good posters here now in 2008, but none of them can hold a candle to some of Pook's profound wisdoms he shared with us here.

You make some great posts, KS, but in my eyes, (not that it matters to you I know), you have a long way to go on your journey to true enlightenment.

Back to squirrels and his melodramatics...

No, wait...you must be talking about the people who yammer on about the "feminatrix" and whine about how men are so oppressed and how life sucks for us and we were dealt a raw hand. You know, instead of getting up and doing something about it.

Or maybe you're talking about all the self-proclaimed philosophical geniuses who want to tell the world how life works, even though they struggle at it so much that they haunt a forum built around guys who can't get chicks.

What the HECK are you doing about it?!

I know when I came back here late last year, I came out with guns ablazing, and called a few whiners names like pvssy and AFC, but I HAD A GOAL.

What is yours?

I saw that same exact crap, and was like WTF is going on here at sosuave?? So I DID something. Sure, I made some long lasting enemies who to this very day like to throw stones (sticks and stones...) but I wasn't here to join any frat clubs. My numero uno goal then, and now, was to combat the misogyny and bitter soul sucking attitudes on this forum. Because that attitude won't get you ANYWHERE, not with women, and not with yourself.

Some may have taken my "abrasive" tone to heart, but I have smoothed the edges a little, because I still have the same very mission. And I see improvement! I see a whole sh!tload of improvement, if I do say so myself. The fact more and more posters are seeing the misogyny and saying something must be done, means SCORE for me. Not because I hate men, because I love men, and hate to see what misplaced and moldy harboured resentment does to them.

I have even brought BACK a legendary poster (yes yes, I take all the credit for that), and am still doing what I can to bring other great posters from years ago back. Unfortunately most of them take a lurk-see, and say "sorry. this sh!t sucks. how can you stay?!" <------- and you all know its because I have a thick skin.

I see a problem too, but the difference between me and you is that I can grab my (non-existent) B@LLS, and try to do something about it. Sticks and stones and everything else thrown my way. It isn't easy!

What are YOU doing? Nuttin? Stfu.

The reason this forum has gone to sh!t is simple. It used to be made up of people who were passionate about bagging attractive women. They had FUN doing this...it wasn't an obligation for them. They didn't feel like they had to be "players" to be cool. They did it because they loved it.

Here is a thought. Did you ever stop to think that maybe all of the original posters were recruited by Allen? That would make a difference, wouldn't it? Now it is what you make it. And I don't see you making sh!t but snively @ss posts like this one. How 'bout you head over to the MM forum right now and make a post that you think should be there?

In the words of the great Kelis:

Keep my name out your mouth
I'll keep my foot out your butt
'cause you don't know whassup
So mind ya b-i-z and shut the f**k up!

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Jesus christ.

I didn't even read all of that.

Was all that just you defending yourself?

Christ.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

well, you get what you pay for I guess. I was part of an internet dating forum about 10 years ago that was HEAVILY moderated. But you had to buy a product to be a member, and unless you posted completely relavent posts with specific questions relating to REAL WORLD ACTIONS you couldn't post.

Fast forward to now when everyone and their frikking mother is online, and you got all kinds of free dating forums, and you have a much higher percentage of philosophizing KJ,s or married guys and gals looking for validation. You just gotta see it for what it is (kind of like reality, hey?) and interact accordingly, based on what you want out of it. If it means filtering through all the nonsense to get to the one valuable post once or twice a week, so be it.

:cheer:

 

[iqqi]

Jesus christ.

I didn't even read all of that.

Was all that just you defending yourself?

Christ.

Like... the first line.

The rest if you READ it, is defending the forum. Sosuave is what the posters make it. All of us who are here regularly, are what shapes this place. To make a thread about how it is going to hell in a handbasket (a nicely woven one, thank you to all the new LS women folk ), when you aren't doing ANYTHING to contribute, or guide it to where you think it should be, is POINTLESS.

squirrels blasts the forum, says its nothing more an advanced cellphone device (which he made sound so insulting), and you all call ME a troll.

I know I am going to catch heat for my comments to KS (and I am going to hide under a bush for a bit so I miss the missiles), but what a fvcked up attitude to have. Don't misrepresent (for no reason) one of the best posters ever (for a great reason). Why would you do that?

And as for squirrels, he has been here long enough to KNOW better. The day he starts contributing to this forum is the day he can huff and puff and try to blow it all down.

 

[KontrollerX]

The post you made just now was actually pretty damn good iqqi.

Thought the ending song part was kind of corny but eh to me chick music usually is.

In anycase good work.

 

[squirrels]

Notice how all the girls always kiss Allen's ass before ranting. I doubt he even reads this forum.

I'm not reading all that. You hang out on a forum for guys who can't get laid, Iqqi. Any chance it's for attention? Hmm...

Thank you, drive thru.

I'm done with this thread.

 

[KarmaSutra]

Jesus christ.

I didn't even read all of that.

Was all that just you defending yourself?

Christ.

No. He likes to assuage his own ignorance by calling people out and pointing his finger (freshly stinking of anal cavity) and point it everyone else.

But he won't turn that high powered perception on himself.

 

[iqqi]

The post you made just now was actually pretty damn good iqqi.

Thought the ending song part was kind of corny but eh to me chick music usually is.

In anycase good work.

You have to hear it to appreciate it. It is very cheeky, kind of like me!

Listen to it ONE time for me, I guarantee it will become a theme song.

 

[iqqi]

No. He likes to assuage his own ignorance by calling people out and pointing his finger (freshly stinking of anal cavity) and point it everyone else.

But he won't turn that high powered perception on himself.

Deep. Brother.




As long as you got the message, though.

Notice how all the girls always kiss Allen's ass before ranting. I doubt he even reads this forum.

I'm not reading all that. You hang out on a forum for guys who can't get laid, Iqqi. Any chance it's for attention? Hmm...

Thank you, drive thru.

I'm done with this thread.

Surprise, surprise.

 

[reset]

We've had a lot of guys come back here from the supposed "golden age" talking about how it helped them but they fell flat on their face when they reverted back to their AFC mindset. And why did they revert back to AFCdom? Simply because they never worked out their inner issues ie inner game. In other words they were only playing at being a DJ not actually being a DJ and believing in it as something to embrace for a total life change. DJ to them was merely a technique not a way of life.

Quality vs. Quantity. A lot of guys here, and I used to be like this but am getting out of it, if you throw them out in the field with their hang-ups and backwards AFC neediness, it's like setting off a bomb and lots of things can get hurt from bombs, the AFC himself, the girl he CHASES, his friends who talk him down from the bridge, (if he has any---first girl may have made him give up his friends) his wallet that gets hungry because it's always empty, his fingers from writing love poems and letters begging for her to take him back, not to mention the counseling sessions where the shrink says "wait, did you just call this girl mom? Let's explore that."

I used to be like that. ^^ This place has helped me go from a to b. Now getting to c is my responsibility. Yes, it's "out there" but from doing this work, I can actually see that success for me is coming. Who knows what would have happened if I actually GOT the chick I wanted way back when. I wouldn't have learned from here, that's for sure. I can guarantee I'd be a guy on a leash. Not a good image.

There I consider that a positive post, did something about it lol.

 

[Technical1]

Oh no, anything but that! God forbid people know that you LIKE GIRLS!

It makes me chuckle every time I see someone say, "Oh no! My girlfriend found this site! What do I do?!" You do NOTHING. She should be happy you're looking for ways to please her. Anyone who's going to hate you for being sexual or hate you for wanting to improve yourself doesn't deserve your time.

Man, are you really this dumb? Becoming "exposed" on the internet can lead to many less career prospects, plus you archive you're own sexual escapades which can be discovered later, and all this for the pleasure of posting a lay report? And you ridicule the fact that someone wants privacy?

What difference does it make how "deep" it is? Is it worth anything to you besides its innate philosophical value? Who cares if it's "deep"? Are you writing an epic novel or socializing with women? None of my encounters with women have ever been "deep"...in fact, "depth" is what's driven every one of them AWAY.

I said its deep because it undergirds every relationship you form with a woman, whether you realize it or not.

Why is "profundity" so important to you? Why do you feel a need to be exposed to or write something that's "profound"? Critters have been f*cking, mating, pairing, and having babies long before the Golden Age of Philosophy.

Profundity isn't important to me. Applicable, effective methods and thinking are more important to me. You point the finger of fluff intellectualism at me: are any of the thread topics I mentioned examples of this? Or are they examples of real life relationship dynamics that play out over and over again?

Methinks that you need "profundity" because you're not comfortable with the way you attach so much importance to mating unless there IS something profound about it.

Knowing that I could be the "B" guy instead of the "A" guy hardly implies that I require a woman to appreciate Homer before I tap her. I want to profoundly understand the world, I want my mental models to match reality. How I relate to sex is a different question.

Stop looking at advice as good or bad based on how "profound" or "enlightened" it is. We are losing ourselves in the labelling and the evaluation and losing sight of the "living" part of things.

I'm not losing myself anywhere. I've been on here for almost exactly 3 months. Thats 12 weeks. Plus 1 week if you count my lurking time.

"This place"? It's a forum. On the INTERNET. It's not a place. It's a collection of ideas. You don't EXIST here. It's like saying your cellphone is a "place". It's a communications medium.

Man, the internet is the only place where someone dares talk to me like I'm a 12-year old idiot. Yes, squirrels, the only place.

 

[Ken785]

Blame it on the loveshack "rescue mission"!! ThAnks a lot guys!!

Now look what youve done!!

Im thinking moving over to zenmAck now, and guess what? Im taking the bible with me!!

 

[logic1]

Squirrels

I dont post much, usually just surf and read the site. Never been involved in a flame war. I'm more nutrual........

My opinion...........Lately you have been coming across as very angry, frustrated, and negative. Maybe you realize this, maybe not. Its not good on your part. You are better than that. Why?. Because I have seen the better you in the past. You have some good insight from what I read in perevious posts. Like "How could of it gone wrong-The sh!t test everyone fails" I thought that was an outstanding post. A lot of men could benefit from that post.

My point.... The negativity will not do anything but put you in a lower place. Maybe your thoughts are, if I get mean and dirty things will change. It wont!!

Take a deep breath, things will filter themselfs out on this forum. Just let it happen. Dont take yourself to a lower level.

Carry on

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...My opinion...........Lately you have been coming across as very angry, frustrated, and negative. Maybe you realize this, maybe not. Its not good on your part. You are better than that. Why?. Because I have seen the better you in the past. You have some good insight from what I read in perevious posts. Like "How could of it gone wrong-The sh!t test everyone fails" I thought that was an outstanding post. A lot of men could benefit from that post....

And this is why I feel that what squirrels has said as of late merits consideration with a critical eye.

 

[reset]

I remember that thread, it was a good one.